[IA] General Orders on the Election: UPDATED
Brian Boru
By authority of the Provisional Government, the Minister for Defence and the Committee For State Security, the Irish Army has been issued the following general orders for the coming election.
1. All Irish Army troops are ordered to hold their vote for as long as possible.
2. Votes are to be given to candidates that are best placed to knock out PTOers. Votes must be given to the nearest person to beat a PTOer, or the person immediately above an enemy candidate if they are below the election line.
3. Under no circumstances are Irish Army soldiers to vote for enemy agents or collaborators.
4. The list of active enemy agents and collaborators is as follows:
- Maddog Jones
- Joachim von Bremen
- Tomazim
- Gav Miller
- haughenator
- gonzo914
This list is subject to change at any time, additions or removals from this list will be announced by article.
EDITE😨
In response to more than a little moaning from certain quarters, I have issued the following addition to the standing orders.
5. No soldier shall be required to vote for the following outside of their good conscience. These players are not active enemy agents, nor members of the PTO group, but due to past actions, have concerned members of the military to such an extent that the High Command cannot issue orders to vote for them in good faith:
- orangejuicemmm
- Irish_Rebel_Reborn (AKA Padraig Pearse)
These measures are being taken in defence of the Republic, and as such, full compliance is not only expected, but absolutely necessary to maintain control of our own country.
Signed,
Ariovistus,
Acting President of the Republic.
Reactionist (rxn),
Minister for Defence.
Brian Boru,
Chairperson of the Committee for State Security.
Comments
o7
Looks good.
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I'm in favour of this plan. It is a good plan.
What a dirty political trick!
Look, as the government tries to retain power by labelling its political opposition as traitors!
DEMOCRACY IN IRELAN😨 REPEALED SUCCESFULLY.
This was a Bremen Clubhouse Production.
democracy abolished. victory. The brits will be along soon to wipe you now, then it's open citizenship 😎
lol, the Brits talking about democracy.
Up the Irregulars. Brits out.
I hail the reasonable and unfaltering response to the PTO threat.
uh oh, someones cornflakes are tasting alittle sour...
o7
"lol, the Brits talking about democracy." X2 I'm speechless because I'm laughing.
Éire go Brách. Brits Out!
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I think it is very important that we organize some kind of ATO operation, especially under current circumstances, but at the same time I feel that it is very dangerous to mix politics with the military like this. The military does not and should not have any jurisdiction whatsoever over who its members vote for. Suggesting that it does, no matter how dire the circumstances, sets a very dangerous precedent for the future. I would be much more comfortable with an ATO informational campaign being carried out by a non-military government ministry and packaged as a strong suggestion rather than an "order". Of course I will be voting in the way that is described above because it is good (and important) advice, but it will not be because I was “ordered” to as a soldier of the Irish Army.
Stilpo, this is a temporary measure until the PTO is defeated.
An informational campaign would be non-efffective.
This order was issued on a non-partisan basis:
The votes are being held back as long as possible, the voters are being distributed according to how effective they'll be, not who they'll put in.
I must place emphasis on our choice here: Intervention or Invasion.
Dear Stilpo, this is a very reasonable and ultimately useful move. Don't mix reality with a game, in eRepublik using the 'army' in politics is not resorting to violence, an in-game 'army' is simply the avant-garde of a community, the most organized and dedicated group of members.
"Of course I will be voting in the way that is described above because it is good (and important) advice, but it will not be because I was “ordered” to as a soldier of the Irish Army."
I'm pretty sure the same applies to every and each member of the AI. It is simply that a hostile group of players are trying to detroy this community. It is our common interest to stop them and it is the 'army' which is the only organized force to do so.
Consider this: every elected PTOer means a further two citizenships (votes) issued to the enemies of this community. The Army's move is not a danger to democracy, but a protection of it.
>temporary measure
Yes, just like Afghanistan was a temporary measure. We, the BCH, have hereby transformed eIreland from a shit country, to a shit and oppressed country.
Afghanistan? Ha, you mean that war the Yanks have you fighting?
Hello strawman. Hi ad hominem. I assume that by your presence that the debatist has lost all credibility?
You left off OJ and PP, without whom the PTO would never have been possible.
And MikeBane's 5 gold will buy another citizenship.
Tomazim, I don't debate with enemies of the state.
KTHXBYE
Brits out! thats all to be said.
Well, I'm not an enemy of the state, and if either OJ or PP run, I would expect to see their names updated on this list...
I agree with the general approach, but to single out Gonzo and not the others is unacceptable to me. As a soldier, I would like to know if this initiative, and this particular list, had the prior approval of the IA Chief of Staff.
Gonzo is Irish, you might not like him but you can not include him on this list.
Keiller, it is perfectly acceptable to single out an active enemy agent.
The reasons OJ and PP aren't on the list are that OJ's transgression was a once off joke, and Padraig hates the British when we really get down to it.
Should myself and rxn determine that they are a threat, they will be added.
moomoohead, gonzo is an active enemy collaborator.
I have every right to put him on the list.
"The reasons OJ and PP aren't on the list are that OJ's transgression was a once off joke, and Padraig hates the British when we really get down to it."
What a load of crap , We all know who leaked priv dail info recently but they're your bud's on irc so they dont go on list.
"Gonzo is Irish, you might not like him but you can not include him on this list."
Dermot MacMurrough was Irish too.
Good plan, Brits out!
"OJ's transgression was a once off joke"
Nice way to excuse your fellows while crucifying others. You just can't admit that it was your fellows who birthed this situation in the first place. They serve you and your purpose, therefore they are above accountability and reproach.
It's a shame, really...
Oh, and "Should myself and rxn determine that they are a threat, they will be added."
It's already been determined, add them or this "ATO" is a sham...
Kolshire, rxn and I will be the ones making the determinations about who is a threat, not you or the court of public opinion.
As I said before, OJ has exactly zero ideological interest in aiding the British, while having a lot more to lose if they succeed. Pretending he's a threat is an amusing display of personal animosity, which brings a certain amount of irony to the table considering that's what you're effectively accusing me of.
Pearse is different because while he hates the British more than anyone else, he is prone to bribery. There will be discussions with him and about him in the coming days.
"Dermot MacMurrough was Irish too."
This.
oh my.
Discussions with PP:
Padraig:"I hate the Brits already!"
Brian:"Listen, if you don’t want to be outed as an active enemy agent, you'd have to really hate the Brits."
Padraig:"I do!"
Brian:"Oh yeah? How much?"
Padraig:"A lot!"
Brian:"Alright, you're in."
Gonzo has zero ideological interest in aiding the Brits either. I don't condone what he did, but his agenda was to expose a double standard, one that you propagate with this ill-judged political stroke tacked onto the back of an otherwise worthy ATO effort.
As for OJ's one off transgressions, the problem is they keep happening.
I ask again, did the CoS give your list of public enemies prior approval, or is this an entirely political initiative?
OJ and PP are friends of mine also, and I would have no objections to them being on the list.
However Gonzo's actions of late have been beyond stupid. Active players are leaving e-Ireland over him. I have yet to see Kolshire or Castaneda publicly condemn his actions, whilst they have no problem doing so when it comes to OJ and PP. They are therefore just as guilty of the double standards that they complain about.
Also, given the situation, why couldn't they air their concerns in private? It would probably be more successful that way. Ofc that would only solve the problem without any hassle though- a hanging offence in e-Ireland.
End of the day, it's this simple, if the lot of you don't start trying to work together then say goodbye to the festering sh*tpile that is e-Ireland(again)
I don't know much about the past conflicts behind this exchange, but in general: those with a record of deliberately granting citizenship to known PTOers should definitely be included in such a list.
You're doin' it wrong : )
Keep the list clear of those with good intentions for Ireland, even if they serve PTOers unconsciously, driven by utopian ideas. Otherwise you might push them on the other side - a luxury which you MUSTN'T allow yourself at this point.
By my (large) experience, I see this elections crucial, a turning point of this PTO attempt.
Every and each one firm in hostile attitude towards PTO is priceless, regardless of possible animosity over other issues, especially those who bear part of a guilt for current state - because for them this is personal, a way to redeem their past, so to say.
Gonzo is another story - he's one of you, but too prone to (unwilling) missuse by PTOers. It is essential to remove him from the list for the reasons mentioned above, but keep him in mind and take care of some another way.
"By my (large) experience, I see this elections crucial, a turning point of this PTO attempt.
Every and each one firm in hostile attitude towards PTO is priceless, regardless of possible animosity over other issues, especially those who bear part of a guilt for current state - because for them this is personal, a way to redeem their past, so to say."
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"Gonzo is another story - he's one of you, but too prone to (unwilling) missuse by PTOers. It is essential to remove him from the list for the reasons mentioned above, but keep him in mind and take care of some another way."
"By my (large) experience" I totally and utterly disagree with you on that. The question is not who is "one of us/you", but who is threatening the basic interests of the community. Looking at a friend lighting a cigarette onboard of a hydrogene-filled Zeppelin you won't say, "hey, c'mon, he's an addict, and anyway, he's a pal, let him smoke."
So I suggest that the composition of the list must be based on honest and impartial analysis of potential threats, and by no means a question of sympathies, personal relations or considerations of presumed motivations of those helping the enemy.
"Looking at a friend lighting a cigarette onboard of a hydrogene-filled Zeppelin you won't say, "hey, c'mon, he's an addict, and anyway, he's a pal, let him smoke."
All right, don't shoot : )
Of course you won't. I say again there's another way, declaring anyone who is not with you an enemy is a bit harsh. If you don't know how, well better do it your way then.
I was just saying you should extract and highlight aggressors, local troublemakers are not the same category with them.
Anyway, everything else is just the right measure, beyond any doubt.
You should all (all who possibly can) get up in the morning of 26.3. one hour before DC and gather on a chat channel. Don't let anyone who had already voted in.
Count how many people (votes) you have at disposal and start unleashing them as close before DC as possible to handle given number of people, coordinated by one to three people at most, to avoid misunderstandings and confusion. Expect them to do the same, so keep most of superfluous votes for the last moment.
Of course coordinators must be awake at least one hour before others and follow the situation closely, watch the list of people of Ireland online and refresh it frequently.
Helps with estimating enemy numbers, and besides that, some multie might snap in the net...
All the others stay offline until the moment of voting, which means they've done work/train the day before.
Hundreds of people from Serbia done that hundreds of times so far, either for elections or preDC strikes in v1. So don't feel like being crazy (or maybe we ARE crazy : ), besides, victory that follows team effort feels damn good ; )
"Kolshire, rxn and I will be the ones making the determinations about who is a threat, not you or the court of public opinion."
So, what this tells me is that you have zero regard for what the greater population thinks, and would move forward according to your own wishes. Bad deal to disregard your countrymen and women like that, Brian. Isn't the public's opinion worth anything to you???
@irishbhoy,
I too count both OJ and PP among my online friends. We have had many fun, informative and enlightening conversations. But, even if I like them as a friend, I can still disagree with the way their persona plays the game. Whatever I may think of their persona's antics, I still respect each of them as a person at the end of the day.
For me, the person and the persona are two separate entities. Sometimes the persona mirrors the person, other times the persona is the complete opposite of the person.
"I have yet to see Kolshire ... publicly condemn his actions"
For my part, this is a true statement which I hereby rectify by the following unequivocal statements of opinion:
1. What OJ did was disrespectful and inappropriate, and he should be held to account for it.
2. What Padriag did was disrespectful and inappropriate, and he should be held to account for it.
3. What Gonzo did was disrespectful and inappropriate, and he should be held to account for it.
Nobody is above scrutiny in this matter, whether the action was done for lulz, or boredom, or as some form of "upsmanship". Each action taken has had an impact which now must be dealt with by otherwise extraordinary means. By any measure, this type of action shows a disregard for your country's ultimate security.
And for the record, I find both Maddy and haugh to be decent people as well, but that doesn't mean I want them dragging their skanky personae through my beautiful, lush IRISH countryside...
They leave slimy slug trails all over the place...
MM: Although we agree on the substantial issue, I still have a different approach. You make a distinction between 'local troublemakers' and 'aggressors'. I claim this distinction was meaningless. The pragmatic distinction is such: people whose election victory might lead to a couple of PTOers receiving citizenship, and people who will definitely not approve such requests. And that actually applies to people in good personal relations to you, me, army leaders, anyone. The only point of the above operation should and must be evading a take-over.
Well written Kolshire. I fully agree as well. All this debating is amazing, how do people not understand that this is really cut and dry. Those feeling the military should be left out of politics, this is a game and when the day is over, you can vote for whom ever you want and no one will be wiser. This is just another medium to disseminate information. Good job to those who are trying to resolve this festering pile of poop!
@Kolshire
Well if you read my comment and then yours, they aren't that different then.
Let's just get the job done.