[Guest Column] Hi Germanball!
Freiheitskaempfer
Hi Germany, how're you?
Poland has fallen into old habits and launched a Natural Enemy law against you. They're coming back for your regions, as we expected ever since they managed to return to the map. This is not surprising. What I do find surprising is the attitude I encounter from some eGermans I speak to, which is apparently shared by members of your congress and a large portion of your population. This is the notion that, rather than fight your enemies, you should acquiesce in the first instance and hope for some kind of peace deal.
Wie bitte?
Peace treaty- nein danke!
Sharing a border with a country like ePoland must suck. They carved a place for themselves in erepublik as a superpower by launching an incredibly successful babyboom, which exploited the real life feelings of their population for yours. This ingame recreation of a historical rivalry turned into one of the longest occupations in erepublik history, and, since this v1 babyboom, eGermany has been in varying states of ePolish occupation ever since. The length and success of their occupation of eGerman regions means they're trying to take it all back again mere weeks after being wiped themselves. Instead of turning their enormous firepower on the great powers who humiliated them and their allies, they, naturally, go back to what really matters to the ePolish population: their own bonuses.
This return to form has led to a discussion in eGermany over how to respond. Disappointingly, it seems there is considerable support for making a peace deal before the first battle is even opened. I understand that it's lame for you all, being invaded, wiped, re-invaded and re-wiped by the ePoles, but does that mean you should surrender before even the first fight? This doesn't make any sense to me. Poland is a fearsome opponent, but they are no longer the invincible country that they were some months ago. If you fold before the first "fight" button is clicked, you will encourage their arrogant belief that German regions belong to them. They will come back again, again and again to take your country.
But what is the alternative? Err, that's easy. Fight. Buy your weapons, stockpile your energy bars and bazookas and fight. You have allies and you have friends who WILL fight with you, and capitulating at this stage would be a betrayal of them as well as your own country.
Poland is obsessed with keeping your regions, so I freely admit the odds of defeating Poland in direct battles are small -- I don't want to create false hope in eGermany. That said, even if defeat were a dead certainty, to do anything other than go down fighting with everything you have seems like madness to me. If you don't fight at every stage for your country's freedom, what on earth is the point in eGermany? Why play as a German? If you negotiate with your enemies before making war plans with your allies, why are you in an alliance at all?
That's why I spit on a cowardly peace treaty. Join me! If you don't, you will be contributing to this:
ABOMINATION
Stay strong, fight for your homeland!
Original article written by Thatcher
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Thanks Freiheitskaempfer, and hail Germany!
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It's still Denmany
endlich gibts krieg
Seems legit...let's fight. Lieber stehend sterben, als knieend leben!
o7!!
100% supported
So I don't know what really matters for us: our 'real life feelings' or resources? Trolling should have some reason, otherwise I cannot recognize if we're pathetic real life losers that try to satisfy our ego playing game or devilish pragmatists, mercilessly occupying this country because it's easy and profitable.
But never mind.
It's funny to observe how some people try to 'encourage' German to fight us. As for me it's obvious, that Poland would have never erased Germany, if only those precious, faithful allies had spent some time and effort trying to defend this country. Actually, it never happened and as a consequence Poland could easily control German territories, and even if we lost something, we could with no problems retake these regions when time was convenient.
I repeat: German allies had circa two years to prove how precious Germany was for them. .
But they didn't. Oh, wait...actually they did, every time anybody else was in trouble or had some personal vendetta (once Romanians, then Croats that 'punished traitors' recently).
If you think it's different now, you're wrong - what they expect Germans to do is to spend your resources, perhaps it will make fighting ONE easier, somewhere else.
Don't get me wrong: personally, I like Germany (especially the real one, but this virtual version as well), I'd love to see your bb. But as for now, you're (here) a tiny country, while we're still superpower (though less than before). We know the outcome of the battle, if TEDEN doesn't decide to sacrifice all other campaigns. We know they won't do the last mentioned. We know you'll be alone again, with no real support (besides brilliant advices like the one Thatcher wrote).
I guess it's better to negotiate and get what you can, possibly even make some sort of larger agreement or pact with Poland, than be betrayed again.
But it's just my personal opinion, you will do whatever you want.
Regards
PS. Mentioning allies I mean both former PEACE/Phoenix members and current TEDEN. They treated you equal. You know how.
o7
first i was like \o/ , o7, then....
its getting pretty boring, lets hope poland will be bored too in the future.
Zafikel is kind of right and if u compare these last treatys with the polish position 1-2 years ago, u can see some "less interest" of the poles to conquer egermany...
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We are eGermany!
Zafikel: I made it clear that your babyboom exploited RL feelings ... is it too complicated to argue that you now invade continually for resource bonus? Sorry if two strands of logic are too much for your scripting to follow.
You say all we do is write articles, but how many times have we liberated Germany? How much have I personally given in fights against Poland to help Germany? Please, try to keep your bullsh*t propaganda barely factual, eh?
As I said in the article (incidentally, did you read it?) fighting Poland head on is most probably a challenge too big for Germany. Should they therefore bend over immediately and beg you for the scraps of their country that you don't need? Not a chance.
@EternalWalk
Trust me: we have close to nothing interest conquering Germany. Any Pole (with some pathetic exceptions, but you also have guys like Polenklatsche) thinks the same. But we need resources, like anybody else in this game. Some people look for them in different continents (like Croats), we 'have' them close to our borders. One must be stupid not to use such an opportunity.
The question is not 'to wage a war or not', but rather: 'on what conditions we should prosper for a couple of months'.
I think we can find at least satisfying agreement.
"I think we can find at least satisfying agreement."
for both sides? actually, no.
@Margaret H Thatche
Maybe I misinterpreted something. Still, it's not me but you who writes articles addressed to Germans, so the word 'propaganda' should be applied to what you've written here. My post is but a mere personal opinion.
When talking about bullshit, I suggest you correct the one you wrote above, about 'liberating Germany'. You must have a really good (or bad, I don't know) sense of humour to name liberating two or three regions 'liberation'. Facts are simple: anytime we lost some German regions it was because of some other wars. Battles in Germany were usually drains, destined to limit our efforts somewhere else. You have NEVER conducted a large scale operation which sole purpose was to liberate this country.
Fighting Poland head on is a challenge too big for any country (with an exception for Serbia). What you called 'humiliation' was successful only because you attacked simultaneously from each direction, spending thousands of euro to win...for one hour victory. Fighting head on we kicked all of those countries, so no wonder Germany has simply no chance.
But it doesn't mean they have to beg for anything. What they should do is to negotiate. And that's also what Poles should do.
Last thing: 'Instead of turning their enormous firepower on the great powers who humiliated them and their allies, they, naturally, go back to what really matters to the ePolish population: their own bonuses.'
Be patient, please. We've already kicked Romania out from ABC. Now we need resources. That's rational. Irrational would be fighting war without economic basement.
Perhaps it too hard for TEDENians to understand such basics.
@Freiheitskaempfer
Why not? Poland needs German territories because of resources and strategic purposes, so Polish Government would never agree to let you control all of your territories. But what about joint economic zone? Having Polish CS you'll be a way more productive - more than you've ever been.
It is something I consider 'at least satisfying'.
so poland is offering ~500 CS for germans? sounds legit.
As I've already written, all the opinions there are mine. And personally I think there should be no problem with this 500 CS, as far as you make us sure you won't try pTO. To put it frankly: I think that in case we become allies it should be no problem. Sound like science-fiction, I know, but...why not?
It would be really nice experiment for both sides. I repeat: we have no interest in waging war against Germany just because it is Germany. We need money, you need as well. We both need to develop.
We can do it together, creating something very unique in this game.
I don't think, a partially occupied country, for economic reason, is "very unique", not even a bit. Your Experiment is nothing more and nothing less than an extortion. I just hope my fellow comrades have the same point of view, which is never to deal with terrorist and criminals. Rather going to hell with a big bang, than live as your little toy. See ya on the battlefield
It's not mu fault this game has only limited variety of solutions (like: conquer or be conquered). Calling anybody terrorist or criminals is unfair, but if you do so, be consequent: Poles are criminals in Germany, Croats in Mexico, Greeks in Macedonia etc.
If you prosper or not depends on your CS. You can think of it as of another game module (and then CS is just a tool to achieve something). Or you can consider CS in nationalistic terms and than fight for your 'national pride'.
Do what you want.
Ich schau mal rein : D
Alleine schon wegen Polenklatsche und dem Rest der Osifaschobande.
You know it is not about rl. We are big country here, in eRepublik so we need resources, it's clear.
Nobody expects that you're going to surrender now. German government should take care of e.g. congress elections. The treaty is a fair option.
Of course, I hope we're going to have exciting battles and we'll build at least neutral relations in future.
I do respect you.
Good luck.
@Zafikel :
i eat a "klappschwein mit belgischen kartoffelstreifen" and than you can look in the two holes from my tank 🙂
PS: JA ich mag klappschwein mit käse und schinken😁 lieber als nen normales schnitzl 😁
Sorry, now that Germany has made up its mind to fight it is quite simple. We will fight to defend Germany, and you can do your worst to take what belongs to them.
All the rest in these comments, trying to persuade them not to fight for their country, it's bullsh*t.
Da simma dabei.!!! Denk dieses mal wirds net einfach hier wat zu holen.
Huh.
I would say, it's better to bend like the grass than break like the tree, when the storm comes.
You bend if you want to Enyavar, the rest of us will fight for you. o7
I bet you will sponsor all of the RWs they'll need after we finish as usual, dear Iron Lady. Or maybe not? Hard to say, since you hide your ass far away in Brazil.
(or rather, your relatively safe companies - something Germans will never enjoy, because of listening to people of your kind)
I'll continue to help pay for RWs yep. You throw it out there like that's something novel...
I'm not hiding in Brazil- you'd know how easy we are to reach if you and the band of mercenaries you call an alliance ever threw any help Spain's way. 🙂
This band of mercenaries used to erase all of you, one after another. And when you were under such unpleasant circumstances some countries were supported first, some later...and some never (like Germany; give up bullshit about 'liberating Germany', please - even trolling should have some limits).
As a band of mercenaries we can count and we also know that it's impossible to help everybody in the same moment. There will be also time for Spain and then Brazil will be in trouble. As for now you're safe, and keeping your companies in a country with extended set of resources while encouraging somebody, who will soon have none, to fight, is a kind of really pathetic hypocrisy.
The mercenary comment was a cheap shot from me so I won't continue that line.
The rest makes absolutely no sense. If I wrote articles and made shouts directed at Germany, but did absolutely nothing to help, then you might have a point. Unfortunately for your tiresome tirades, I do give material support to the German community: in money, supplies, my own damage and whatever small influence I have in the alliances. And yes, liberating Germany... Sorry, did Poland return all the German regions from the goodness of your hearts? I feel like saying something about trolling having limits here.
What people reading your drivel and my replies to it need to remember is very simple. I want Germany totally free, you want Germany subjugated. I'm going to be fighting for Germany, you're going to be fighting for Poland. That will always be the case, so let the readers draw what conclusions they like from that.
'Liberation of Germany' took place only because it was a part of operation against Poland. For the first time you managed to gather so many countries to attack us. One must be stupid to think you did that from the goodness of your hearts.
And the rest is just your simplistic point of view. If you want free Germany, organize German baby-boom, delete Poland for a couple of months or transfer them somewhere far from us (and any other strong, hostile country). If you can't, just shut up.
There are real options for them, your nonsenses are fair enough for propaganda article - and nothing else.
great article Thatcher voted
If you really only want the ressource bonuses, why you can't attack Scandinavia oder the Balts instead? From the strategically point of view the exclave of the Russians should be an easy target for a "super power" like you want to be.
Or...wait...I have forgotten that the Russians will rape you again and again so you won't even try it :/
It`s just a game, friends...
See you on the battlefields o7
Mr Polenlatsche, I'm afrad you are unable to distinguish between raping and being raped.
And I would like to remind you that Baltic countries and Sweden are our allies, what makes this kind of operation impossible.
now TEDEN is living the most strong times ever. SO we have a chance to save our homeland. what is the other option? living in scandinavian countries and everyday with a new resistance war. can we manage this?
"Of course, I hope we're going to have exciting battles and we'll build at least neutral relations in future.
I do respect you.
Good luck. "
Never laughed so hard.
You hope, that our 2 countries build up neutral relations and wanna show us respect by invading us?
Gtfo and invade another Country.
If you wanna prove, that you don't attack us, only because we're German and because our grand grandfathers generation invaded your country in RL 73 years ago, then don't attack us.
It is simple as that.
If you want our ressources, go the diplomatic way, negotiate a renting-treaty for the regions you need and we would've come to a peaceful solution and you would've proved, that you don't attack us out of RL reasons.
But no, you only now war.
And btw, keep your ONE Propaganda out of our news, we don't spam your news with TEDEN propaganda, if you don't respect us as nation and people (i don't write the e in front of nation and people on purpose), than atleast respect the immunity of the news against propaganda.
Greetings
Zafikel: I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. We liberated Germany from your clutches, are you trying to deny it or what?
"If you want free Germany, organize German baby-boom, delete Poland for a couple of months or transfer them somewhere far from us (and any other strong, hostile country). If you can't, just shut up.
There are real options for them."
You may have been trying to hide it until this paragraph, but your typical ePolish arrogance towards eGermany is as clear as day to everyone else. Take your treaty, take your negotiations and take your compromises and shove them.
Do you have problem with reading? I'm not denying facts, I'm doubting your value as German allies. Two years long history should taught them how reliable you are.
If being realist means being arrogant then yes, I am arrogant. And you can play your role as a hero of justice and liberator. It doesn't change anything. You're impotent, all you can do is to waste your influence and to continue useless battle. You don't have any idea how to create independent and safe Germany (no wonder, since it's almost impossible). Germany has fucked up neighborhood, that's a fact. Even if you stop our offensive (what I personally doubt, because German allies never even tried to do so) this time, you won't stop another one. These resources are easy to get, everybody would do the same Poland does. People who use their brains will try to find real solutions, people who don't will listen to your bullshit.
Does it make my point clear?
DEMOCRACY - SCHTONK!
LIBERTY - SCHTONK!
FREE SPRECHEN - SCHTONK!
TOMANIA MIT ZE GROETZE ARMY IN ZE WELT, ZE GROETZE NAVY IN THE WELT WILL SEIN ZE GROETZE - ALLES! SOLDIERS FOR HYNKEL!
@Zafikel
There are other solutions than war you know?
You only attack us ot of RL-reasons, like i explained above, we know that, you know that, the whole eRepublik-Community knows that, so stop lying.
Stop abusing history for reasons to attack us.
Orientate on the present time, today, our two countries are very good friends, we both are in the NATO, we honor Lech Walesa for being one of the first persons to overcome the dictatorship in an eastern block country.
Our chancelor Brandt kneeled before a memorial for the victims of the Warsaw ghetto.
So why the fuck you still annoy us with that? Why the fuck you have to take revenge in an online game?
If you bear so strong feelings against Germany, that you got 15.000 Polish people do begin playing eRepublik, why the fuck are you on friendly relations with us in RL? Are all of you lying or what?
And one of the most important reasons against war:
You verify the stereotype of all poles being thieves.
Yes thats true, you steal other countries regions to get what you want, instead of working for it by diplomacy.
We'll never respect you again in the future, no country except your present day allies will and we will make you pay for what you begin today!
Dudes, can you leave the Real Life-Shit out of this game please?