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You already said so in the previous article. This article is meant to attract new voters. 😉

All old votes remain valid, this is probably just a repost to make sure it stays in the recent articles list.

I didn't know, sorry.

Thats correct ; )

You don't need to vote if you allready voted in the previous article of the Staatscourant on the Referendum.

Or if you've sent Gorro a PM already.

😁 correct

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Is the previous referendum valid or do I have to vote again.

P.S. almost everybody wants Asgard, so a referendum is unnnecessary!

there was no previous referendum. because news only stays on the homepage 2 days a new article was made.

yes a referendum is necessary to see that for real.

Asgard

It's getting darn confusing when you have to read the comments first to know whether you have to vote again or not.

Well, Asgard it is. We would love to join you! o7

Nice result 🙂

Was there a certain percentage needed to reach in order to actually apply for joining an alliance?

Out of my head; 65 votes were needed to make it a valid referendum. And that's already very, very low if you ask me as the number of voters for CP is around 130-140.

There are no official rules for a ingame referendum. So it's up to Congress, what they want with the results.

True, but that proposal that I did is giving us a way better chance of getting a legal referendum as the 203 you calculated from the official rules.

A legal referendum would require 35% of the people in the eNL Burgers and Ereburgers group and would be way lower. Ingame the number of registered accounts is way more. Thats what I tried to say in my comment with the number 203.

So that wasnt a proposal but an example to try to get Congress to act.

How much would that amount be? Number of eNL burgers and ereburgers I mean.

Don't know exactly. If the Referendum was held on the forum, both groups need to be checked for dead accounts and the Burger group for people who left our Country. I don't have a exact number on that at the moment. On the last Forum Referendum the required turnout was 43.

That low? Hmm, sad and making the value of forum discussions questionable to say the least. One wonders if the discussions and opinions on forum will reflect the voice of the players or that forum is more or less a game on its own then.

We had about 120 registered people with an alive ingame account. If I remember correct we had between 60 and 70 voters in that Referendum. Thats a larger turnout than in this one...

Last forum referendum is a while back I presume (I can't remember atm) I do see people on forum that i hardly ever see in game. Might be interesting to make an overview of active forum members compared to age. I wouldn't be surprised if those forum members are mainly older players (> 2 to 3 years I'd say) while the most active ingame players are young. Making forum a platform for older (elite?) players and the game itself a platform for, well, the game itself? Making forum a game on it's own I'd say. But this are just presumptions. I didn't look into facts. Just a feeling.

Last forum referendum was in February: http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11119

For forum referenda 35% of all registered users. If we take 35% of 119 (the number of votes in the last CP elections), that'd be 42 people.
However, HC can also vote here and not in the CP elections, so this number is definitely too low.

53 votes is in any case probably a relevant number, but indeed it is not a lot.

With 119 votes for CP you'd know that were not all active citizens. You could reason it should be a bit higher, say 150. And that's even low as I don't think 80% voted for CP. Add the (former) HC's that'l give you 184 and take 35% of it; 64,4.
But then again; There are no official rules except you could (should?) copy the forum rule to ingame. It would have been better to make the vote all on forum, making the rules more clear, but majority of congress decided otherwise. For the outcome it won't any difference I'd guess as i don't think enough voters would have come to forum. Which leaves us with a, already known, big inactive, none caring society. Even when handed out democratic possibilities people won't embrace them : (

It's sad indeed

Applying the forum rule would mean taking 35% of all people with voting right. Since we have many more citizens in-game than those who actively participate (even in elections) we are never going to get so many people to vote.
At the moment: 852 active citizens according to the game. Take 35% of that, and add the 34 HC, and you get to 35%*886=310.
That's about 2.5 times the number of people typically voting in CP elections...

That's including dead citizens Djirtsdew and the reason ElGorro came to 203 earlier to get a discussion going. (That's from before the current baby boom started)
To make it more realistic I proposed a percentage linked to the last CP elections for ingame referenda, but congress didn't react much on it (yet).

Is it? I think we have 852 alive accounts in the Netherlands. Dead accounts are removed from the number, otherwise we would have a rising number of citizens all the time. I agree we need to alter our rules to make these things happen. But indeed, thats up to Congress.

Could be indeed. I have no clue/way of telling. But if we assume the amount listed is the amount of active players then it would be the case that only 20% votes for CP : -(

Exactly!

This is sad. So legally because there are no official laws the Netherlands ins't inclined to join ASGARD just because of these results?

Congress decided to follow this procedure indead of the one described in our Lawbook. Imo Congress still needs to approve. I urged Congress to do so.

When people stop playing they stay in the numbers for another month.
So new players today in the Netherlands is 80. I do not think most of them will play after the first log in.
It would be a very very good result when 20% will play over one month. Because voting for CP (and congress) is not to be forgotten on election day a nation active population is not more than say two times of people voting.
Other way to check is egov.
http://www.egov4you.info/country/history/31
316 citizens active yesterday. This is including all new citizens of course.

The state of eRepublik itself is pretty bad, that is why many new (& some old) stop playing. The communities are all that matters I think. Good luck in trying to get most citizens active in your community.

I have the impression that it's longer than a month. But perhaps a lot of people just log in every now and then without doing anything.
Egov is a great tool indeed, but not reliable enough. The number of 316 for example that you mentioned; If I look at the amount of people that gained xp, it's only 180. Including the newbies. The amount that trained was 177 and the amount that did one or more kills only 110. That would suggest the # active players is a lot lower. But as egov doesn't list al the players the amount could be higher again...

so whats the status on the negotiations?

check the forum