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[eIndia] Referendum on EDEN membership

Day 1,856, 03:33 by Uv Ajed




Thought of the day: "Coming to terms with the fear of death is conducive to healing, positive personality transformation, and consciousness evolution."

This is perhaps one of the most difficult articles I have to write, and I am doing it, keeping in mind 4 things and they are Honor, Trust, Respect and Transparency! What I expect in return? your support!

Firstly, I would like to thank EDEN for their long months of support for us. Until recently, it was an awesome alliance, a true brotherhood to be proud to take part in.

A lot has happened over past few days. A part of which has been summarized in my mail to the EDEN HQ Thread

http://tinyurl.com/cfjl6us

Which was followed by a long irc session with the Croatian CP

http://tinyurl.com/chyeno8

I would apologize for being a bit harsh, but to be honest when diplomacy fails, words just fall short for explanation.

Our hon'ble EDEN representative Ethel Rosenberg approached the SC of EDEN, as well, for an amicable solution that would be in a greater benefit of everyone. But instead what she got was

http://prntscr.com/mkikv

And No, we haven't been contacted by EDEN yet!

To Summarize it up

How Croatians have treated us?
1. Made deal with Thailand regarding two Indian regions "Kerala" and "Karnataka" in November, without informing India about it.
2. Refused help when we approached them for helping us release our regions from Thailand, in spite of some protection clause(if I am to believe the Ex-CP who made the rental deal, though it was later refuted by the Croatians).
3. Reduced the overall rents and didn't pay rent for one region citing that they would be returning it back to us. But at the time of return claimed they can't since some Rogue MU has been hitting hard.
4. Changed their decision and informed us that they would now rather be returning us back Tamil Nadu, moments before the RW started in that region. The original reason being Indonesian invasion. Won the RW for India without any difficulty unlike earlier.
5. Giving us a region that they were anyways deemed to lose. And sending us to battlefield without our consent to be their meat shield!

How has EDEN treated us?
1. Since past 1 year, every time we approached EDEN for help we were told that they are busy! except in one instance i.e. against thais
2. Every time we approached EDEN for help in settling down the chinese North east india deal, we were told to do it ourselves.
3. Last month we approached EDEN about the croatian move, again the same thing "we are busy". We had to fight thai on our own and liberate our region.
4. Yesterday we approached EDEN we were again told the same thing. But yesterday when Croatians approached EDEN for liberating Tamil Nadu, it was done without any issues in spite of our protest.

After long discussion with several Indians old and new, getting support from majority of the eIndians
I reached a conclusion that it's time for us to take a referendum on our future with EDEN.

http://tinyurl.com/cfvl992

Now for the question

What would we do after quitting EDEN?
We won't really be jumping into alliance bandwagon immediately, we would continue respecting and helping our brothers & allies who have stuck to us through our difficult times. As of our future is concerned we might be taking another referendum to decide it when we are assured and have faith that we won't be back stabbed or treated like slaves again. We have already been offered help from various Countries and Alliances. Our relationship with few non EDEN members is way deeper than EDEN. But the reason we don't want to jump into a bandwagon right now immediately is pretty much because of our commitment to this war that we want to fight with all our force and not just be termed as "yet another traitor". But our enthusiasm to continue further as a member was murdered, we had enough of betrayal. We are, after all, a non existing entity, so it doesn't really matter even if we were to quit the alliance.
"Show us respect, we will return it back 10 folds."
and to quote our diplomatic Alector
"Honour is among the last few things, India is left with."

About the Upcoming WAR - We Fight with/for EDEN
As I mentioned earlier, We will fight for Tamil Nadu and all other Indian regions(inc. the ones rented to Croatians) with all our might, forces and resources. We will fight for our honor, for justice, for truth, for liberty and for respect. We will do it with determination and fight for the very Alliance we have stuck to for past 2 years. We will march into those battlefield hand in hand with Croatians and EDEN. But we will do it all with dignity and an equal respect for Indonesians. After all the game is just pixels, what matters is the relationships that leave an imprint in our real existence.

Finally an answer to the opinion of one senior player who is opposed to the idea of referendum
"we will never be able to ask someone's respect, if we leave EDEN"
To be honest if standing for your right, for truth and for justice will have us lose our respect, then I don't consider that respect to be worthy enough!

(insert an image here for her kittyness ashphalt)


Regards,
Uv Ajed,
An Indian
 

Comments

xordin
xordin Day 1,856, 03:38

Hail India!!

ashphalt
ashphalt Day 1,856, 03:42

Thank you Sam.
Also, it feels like high time. While I do think patience is an apt virtue to follow here, somewhere I feel our trust has been raped literally a little too often. To a point where in this game, I don't think I want to trust other nations around me. Honor, trust and frankness have died a slow death here. I feel sorry for the n00bs at times. The game is not all happy happy, beauty as we make it seem.

MR. HANK SCORPIO
MR. HANK SCORPIO Day 1,856, 03:48

Full credit to you, your country has been disrespected repeatedly by EDEN you had no other choice.

Principe Alessandro
Principe Alessandro Day 1,856, 03:49

Respect for eIndia whatever choice you will take.

Sasho Ve
Sasho Ve Day 1,856, 03:50

You are disappointed from the damagehood? This cannot be true... (:

Boyan
Boyan Day 1,856, 03:50

Finally!!! : )

Hamturk
Hamturk Day 1,856, 03:51

I'm a big supporter of this, but it shouldn't come now, not like this. It looks as though we are trying to get out at a time when we are threatened by one of EDEN's enemies.

BeJIuKaH
BeJIuKaH Day 1,856, 03:54

Respect to India whatever your decision is! o7

Uv Ajed
Uv Ajed Day 1,856, 03:55

Hamturk we are not..like I said we will fight with all our might! I hope i could have got a better time for this..but things were going to spiral out of control and they had to be brought under control!

Ariovistus
Ariovistus Day 1,856, 03:55

Good luck, I can't say I didn't see this as a natural evolution of GEA status.

Calvinhobbes
Calvinhobbes Day 1,856, 03:55

eINDIA may not be able to win wars on its own, but it share can be a pain in the a*** for some countries. although it seems pretty clear whose a*** it should be. count me in when we plan to do that. o7.

navincharles
navincharles Day 1,856, 03:55

lol

Karlo FTW
Karlo FTW Day 1,856, 03:55

Good decision..EDEN is not working any more..

And regards CRO-INDIA relation: dont be mad on Croatia couse its we had internal problems last month and its a fact,government couldnt do much..I hope this new governments will fix things up and work it out with india : )

o7

CFovetS
CFovetS Day 1,856, 03:58

The issue here is most people in eIndia have no idea how the game mechanics work. You could have 100 of the same resource bonus and it still only counts once.

How India has treated Croatia:
Made one of their allies pay rent for regions that serve no purpose to India. Instead of letting them use them to better one of their allies, India expected something in return.

India then GETS MAD when one of the regions of a resource they already have doesnt get returned, and they are making a lot of money that shouldn't even be taken in the first place from one of their allies.

I would like to point out that during my time as EDEN MC literally no one for India asked for any help in battles. NO ONE. I was not contacted once. And in fact, when we talked to the Indian CP at the time about joining EDEN fully (instead of being in GEA) we were told no. They will NEVER do that.

So stop placing all the blame on everyone but India, because the only reason India has gotten into this situation is because of India, not because of others.

Prove India is deserving of having allies.
What has India done?
You charge allies to rent regions that you don't need?
Never sign more than 3-4 MPPs at a time?

To me, India looks like the issue, not everyone else.

Hamturk
Hamturk Day 1,856, 04:03

Well I won't be fighting Croatias war.

India liberating core regions from Thai is an Indian issue but protecting Croatias bonuses and safe haven in Asia is a priority for all.

I say let Indo do what they have to, as the sooner Croatia are back in the Balkans the better it is for our, and we can always kick them out if they choose to stay...

Ashwamedh
Ashwamedh Day 1,856, 04:04

"The issue here is most people in eIndia have no idea how the game mechanics work. You could have 100 of the same resource bonus and it still only counts once.
"

Damn, I hope all you warmongering, disrespectful fools from India read that ... learn and understand game mechanics please!

- sensible comment from Hammy - and I think that once this fracas with Indonesia is over, we make our move. Doing it at a delicate point in time is definitely not right.

Liam Tatlock
Liam Tatlock Day 1,856, 04:05

There's little point in being in an alliance that doesn't help when asked. Good luck from eIreland.

Arslan Tegin
Arslan Tegin Day 1,856, 04:05

insidious ex Eden members try to manipulate eIndıa, just respect them, and let them leave for referandeum.

Hamturk
Hamturk Day 1,856, 04:06

@CFovetS I would call it compensation for all the trouble caused.

Hem Sharma
Hem Sharma Day 1,856, 04:06

Ashwamedh
Ashwamedh Day 1,856, 04:06

which is why Hammy (and others) Read this : D

"About the Upcoming WAR
We will fight for Tamil Nadu and all other Indian regions(inc. the ones rented to Croatians) with all our might, forces and resources. We will fight for our honor, for justice, for truth, for liberty and for respect. We will do it with determination and fight for the very Alliance we have stuck to for past 2 years. We will march into those battlefield hand in hand with Croatians and EDEN. But we will do it all with dignity and an equal respect for Indonesians. After all the game is just pixels, what matters is the relationships that leave an imprint in our real existence."

Ethel Rosenberg
Ethel Rosenberg Day 1,856, 04:07

This saddens me greatly, we all need to remember that rash decisions are often not good decisions.

Cooler minds prevail.

Hail India!!
Hail EDEN!!

Ashwamedh
Ashwamedh Day 1,856, 04:09

I will fight to aid Croatia... till Croatia is safe - and then we will have our referendum and decide on the future. We do not betray allies, contrary to the trolls

lioshi
lioshi Day 1,856, 04:12

Respect to India whatever your decision is! o7

xordin
xordin Day 1,856, 04:12

@Cfovets, your statement about asking for support is not entirely true...at the time of driving Thailand out of Kerala I had personally asked for your / EDEN support but you said "No one is online and I cannot do anything" and "I am out of FFs".
Those were your exact words I had lol'ed on....pls check the facts before making any incorrect statements..

Ranger Bob
Ranger Bob Day 1,856, 04:12

I respect too many people in eIndia to not respect the views from one of your own.

You guys need to find your own path, whatever that may be.

May eAus and eIndia always be friends.

- ranger.

Giovanni 00
Giovanni 00 Day 1,856, 04:15

Well, I need to say that my relations to eIndia as MoFA was fine. Even we're allies and someone thinks we shouldn't be paying rent at all, we're happy to help as much as they help us and EDEN by having eCroatia on their land and not on Balkans.

But, CP Uv Ajed has no diplomatic expirience at all and all 5 points in "How Croatians have treated us?" are false.

Since I was in charge in negotiations with eIndia and eThailand in all meetings in last months, since eCroatia got to Asia, I would like to explain things to CP, if he is interested to listen to ex diplomat at all.

My PM is open...

citizenneel
citizenneel Day 1,856, 04:16

I would suggest that we don't fill-in the referendum for the next couple of days. This is one big test for us as a Pro-EDEN country as well. Let' see how EDEN wishes to support us apart from us fighting it out. It will show the characters of EDEN, Croats and DEFINITELY us.

What CFovetS couldn't understand is that, we do fight EDEN battles by staying in Croatia or China. He is a n00b to eIndian condition. Do Forgive him. Most of the time we are fighting for EDEN wars only.

CFovetS
CFovetS Day 1,856, 04:17

@xordin you said "tell your MU to fight here" And that was my answer. And I also had it set as our DO. You never said anything about EDEN.

navincharles
navincharles Day 1,856, 04:17

My sincere request to all eIndians is to hold on the referendum until the Croatia-Indonesia battle is over. If we get support it will mean that EDEN still cares for us, and if we dont get, lets go on with the referendum.. I do not support this initiative at this moment.. This action is happening too fast... Hold on!!

On the other hand this is the right time we can show our action to our allies in the form of damage and coordination. Not the action in terms of referedum... The next 2 weeks will decide Croatia's spot in Asia... Should we really show all this hate at this moment? Can we not do this after 2 weeks time..

CFovets, please do not make the mistake of referring to the country as a whole. All this are outcomes of one or few guys' over-reatcion... I and a bunch of old + new guys are resisting the idea of referendum yet.. I do not feel Croatia has backstabbed us.. Yes they didnt make any communication as far as the TN war went... Total miscommunication...

On the other hand what kind of damage have we done to our allies? Anything that was big and worth a pat? Please do not pick a name from the top 10 str guys of eIndia.. Apart from that have we done anything to our allies in terms of damage? the answer is NO...

All I am asking is to hold on until the battle ends and then lets sit and talk what is needed...

Also as CFovets pointed, were there any CPs who went to EDEN to ask for damage help? If so, please comment here.. There is no point of overreacting... This is going to be a tuff time for Croatia.. Let us not bring them more trouble.. Thats all I ask...

navincharles
navincharles Day 1,856, 04:20

Ash said "and I think that once this fracas with Indonesia is over, we make our move. Doing it at a delicate point in time is definitely not right."

+ 1

Chuchi
Chuchi Day 1,856, 04:22

you double indians, traitors of EDEN.

HAIL EDEN
HAIL TRUE BROTHERHOOD
145343 YEARS WITHOUT DYING

Vladimir Alexei
Vladimir Alexei Day 1,856, 04:27

Referendum should be held after Croatia is kicked or it is not kicked out. But yes, I`m voting yes on this, we need to leave it!

Leave EDEN!
Leave EDEN!
Leave EDEN!
Leave EDEN!
Leave EDEN!

Jai Hind!

Ameri Oprem Dobro
Ameri Oprem Dobro Day 1,856, 04:28

ИНДИИЈААА ПАКИСТАААН СВИМА НАМА ПУШИ КУРАЦ ПАРТИЗЗЗАААННН

CFovetS
CFovetS Day 1,856, 04:32

Another thing that is a bit misleading about this article is the fact that India isn't in EDEN, it's in GEA.
GEA will never get as much support as full EDEN members, that's just how it works. India has said again and again that they prefer to be in GEA and not a full EDEN member. So yeah...

Uv Ajed
Uv Ajed Day 1,856, 04:33

navin just incase you ignored Ashwamedh's other comment after that

which is why Hammy (and others) Read this : D

"About the Upcoming WAR
We will fight for Tamil Nadu and all other Indian regions(inc. the ones rented to Croatians) with all our might, forces and resources. We will fight for our honor, for justice, for truth, for liberty and for respect. We will do it with determination and fight for the very Alliance we have stuck to for past 2 years. We will march into those battlefield hand in hand with Croatians and EDEN. But we will do it all with dignity and an equal respect for Indonesians. After all the game is just pixels, what matters is the relationships that leave an imprint in our real existence."

Hamturk
Hamturk Day 1,856, 04:34

It's pretty obvious India will receive support as part of an attempt to save Croatia, I wouldn't exactly say that means they care.

Vladimir Alexei
Vladimir Alexei Day 1,856, 04:37

Yes ofcourse!

EDEN is going to fight for India and thats because they need us to win, not because they want to help us. I think our faith is clear, no matter what happen we are leaving "The Brotherhood" or the garden of it... Even if we leave we are not going to betray EDEN as we are not full members and we still hold normal relations with most of the EDEN countries, but I think our foreign affaris should be changed by 180 degrees.

Addy Lawrence
Addy Lawrence Day 1,856, 04:44

Children "run away", adults "head somewhere".

Are we running away from EDEN or toward a better situation.

I don't see eIndia heading toward a better alternative. The relationship with EDEN has issues but we should focus on improving that relationship OR develop a better alternative to switch too.

N K R I
N K R I Day 1,856, 04:47

Hi eIndia.. open your eyes.. you only used by EDEN
Come on eIndonesia.. crush eCrotia.. destroy her from asia

Eraclev
Eraclev Day 1,856, 04:50

o7 Do what ever you think is the best for you..

We will respect you eIndia..

Demon war

andromedadeezter
andromedadeezter Day 1,856, 04:51

Poor EDAN

Georgi Martov
Georgi Martov Day 1,856, 04:56

You are disappointed from the damagehood? This cannot be true... (:
+1

IndoMy
IndoMy Day 1,856, 05:06

respect to eIndia

but we need the way to kick eCroat from Asia... o7

Kazami Yuuka
Kazami Yuuka Day 1,856, 05:11

Get Croatia out of Asia, don't let em run away from their own problems.

Stenka Razin
Stenka Razin Day 1,856, 05:20

v+s

pacifyer
pacifyer Day 1,856, 05:31

V+S!

Altalis
Altalis Day 1,856, 05:37

JUST LEAVE IT. MAKE NEW RELATIONSHIP WITH US :p

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,856, 05:45

Without any support from EDEN (including Croatia), what chance do we have to defeat the endless aggression of Indonesia as they (without permission) occupy all of our regions for bonuses. Or for that matter, without EDEN, what will prevent China from continuously using our regions are a pathway to other battles in Southeast Asia.

While I agree that EDEN/eIndia's relationship hasn't been perfect, the effect of leaving EDEN/GEA is far worse.

I voted no and strongly encourage other to do so as well. eIndia needs a plan for what we will be a part of, not what we won't. Isolationism always ends badly.

 
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