[DemNL] Belastingverhoging | Tax raise
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by ArtemIvanov
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“We will not support sudden changes in taxes.” - Verkiezingsprogramma NoTie112
Beste burgers van eNederland,
In verband met de laatste veranderingen aan eRepublik is de loonbelasting (income tax) door de admins op 10% gezet. Voor deze verandering stond de eNederlandse loonbelasting op 4%, waarmee de loonbelasting dus met 150% is verhoogd. Deze verhoging treft iedere werknemer hard in de portemonnee.
Het is dan ook logisch de belasting weer op het oude niveau te zetten: 4%. Daarover wordt momenteel ook een debat gevoerd in het Congres. Verrassend genoeg is er ook tegenstand tegen deze maatregel. Laten we eens kijken wie dat zijn en waarom ze van mening zijn dat deze belastingverhoging verantwoord is.
Luuklag: 'I think we should leave it at 10% untill we discussed if it needs changing or not. That way we keep changes to a minimum, making things easier for managers.'
Juist de verhoging is een verandering waar managers mee moeten leren omgaan.
Auggustus: 'I agree, leave it @ 10%. I think it will generate more taxes this way seeing that raws are now probably also subject to 10% tax.'
Waarschijnlijk gaat deze belastingverhoging inderdaad meer inkomsten opleveren. Maar die extra inkomsten heeft de regering niet nodig, omdat ze al met langdurig overschot te maken hebben.
Mael Dunbar (Minister van Financiën): 'Maybe wait a month, and decide 1 of march after having some numbers.'
NoTie112 (President van eNederland): 'Let's not put the taxes back in a haste, but make a decesive decision, after we know what the exact results of these taxes are..'
Waarom zouden we wachten met het terugdraaien van deze gedwongen belastingverhoging? Het Congres heeft hier nooit over gestemd, en zelfs met het verlagen van de belastingen komt er waarschijnlijk meer geld binnen doordat nu ook de grondstoffenmarkt wordt belast.
NoTie112 (President van eNederland): 'It must be clear if we really insist on changing them now, we shouldn't just put them blunt back to former values and then once again discuss the exact numbers, but making a sane, final decision immediately.'
De belasting moet juist wel eerst terug naar het oude niveau. Daarna kan er worden gediscussieerd over ingrepen in de belasting.
Uit bovenstaande blijkt dat de regering, gesteund door de partijen TDP en I&W, voor belastingverhoging is, en dus voor lagere inkomens. De regering gaat er zonder goede argumenten mee akkoord dat de belastingdruk in ons land wordt verhoogd, zonder dat de volksvertegenwoordigers zich daarover hebben uitgesproken. De regering gaat ermee akkoord dat de gewone man minder te besteden heeft. De regering zegt voor deze belastingverhoging te zijn, terwijl er in hun programma toch duidelijk staat dat ze niet willen tornen aan de belastingen!
En waarvoor? Het is niet zo dat de regering om geld verlegen zit. Integendeel, er heerst al maanden een aanzienlijk begrotingsoverschot. Het extra geld dat door deze belastingverhoging binnenkomt, wordt alleen maar toegevoegd aan de grote pot met goud die door deze regering wordt beheerd - alleen maar beheerd, niet uitgegeven.
DemNL vindt dat deze belastingverhoging zo snel mogelijk moet worden teruggedraaid. Iedereen die de belangen van de burgers behartigt, kan het niet met ons oneens zijn.
Partijvoorzitter van DemNL
Vice-partijvoorzitter van DemNL
“We will not support sudden changes in taxes.” - Election platform NoTie112
Dear citizens of the eNetherlands,
Due to the recent changes in eRepublik, the admins put the income tax on 10%. Before this change, the eDutch income tax was 4%, which means that it has been raised by 150%. This tax raise severely cuts into every employee's budget.
Therefore, it is only logical to return the tax to the previous level: 4%. There is currently a debate in Congress about this topic, as well. Surprisingly, there is some opposition to this measure. Let's see who they are and why they think a tax raise is justified.
Luuklag: 'I think we should leave it at 10% untill we discussed if it needs changing or not. That way we keep changes to a minimum, making things easier for managers.'
It is precisely this tax raise which is a change that managers need to cope with.
Auggustus: 'I agree, leave it @ 10%. I think it will generate more taxes this way seeing that raws are now probably also subject to 10% tax.'
This tax raise will probably raise government income. But the government doesn't need this extra income, because they have had a surplus for a long time.
Mael Dunbar (Minister van Financiën): 'Maybe wait a month, and decide 1 of march after having some numbers.'
NoTie112 (President van eNederland): 'Let's not put the taxes back in a haste, but make a decesive decision, after we know what the exact results of these taxes are..'
Why wait with repealing this forced tax raise? Congress never voted on it, and even if we lower this tax again, income will probably rise because of the inclusion of the raw materials companies into the tax system.
NoTie112 (President van eNederland): 'It must be clear if we really insist on changing them now, we shouldn't just put them blunt back to former values and then once again discuss the exact numbers, but making a sane, final decision immediately.'
Taxes should be restored to what they were before a discussion of changing the tax system is possible.
From the information above, it follows that the government, supported by the TDP and I&W parties, supports this tax raise and thus supports less income for employees. The government, without good arguments, agrees to a tax raise in our country, without Congress having been involved. The government supports the fact that the common man has less money to spend. The government claims to support this tax raise, while in their programme, they vow not to touch taxes!
And for what? It's not like the government is short on money. Quite the contrary: there has been a surplus for ages. The extra money raked in by this tax raise will only add to the pot of gold the government has been hoarding - only hoarding, not spending.
DemNL is op the opinion that this tax raise needs to be reversed as soon as possible. Everyone who has the citizens' interests at heart, simply cannot disagree with us.
Party president of DemNL
Vice party president of DemNL
“We will not support sudden changes in taxes.” - Verkiezingsprogramma NoTie112
Beste burgers van eNederland,
In verband met de laatste veranderingen aan eRepublik is de loonbelasting (income tax) door de admins op 10% gezet. Voor deze verandering stond de eNederlandse loonbelasting op 4%, waarmee de loonbelasting dus met 150% is verhoogd. Deze verhoging treft iedere werknemer hard in de portemonnee.
Het is dan ook logisch de belasting weer op het oude niveau te zetten: 4%. Daarover wordt momenteel ook een debat gevoerd in het Congres. Verrassend genoeg is er ook tegenstand tegen deze maatregel. Laten we eens kijken wie dat zijn en waarom ze van mening zijn dat deze belastingverhoging verantwoord is.
Luuklag: 'I think we should leave it at 10% untill we discussed if it needs changing or not. That way we keep changes to a minimum, making things easier for managers.'
Juist de verhoging is een verandering waar managers mee moeten leren omgaan.
Auggustus: 'I agree, leave it @ 10%. I think it will generate more taxes this way seeing that raws are now probably also subject to 10% tax.'
Waarschijnlijk gaat deze belastingverhoging inderdaad meer inkomsten opleveren. Maar die extra inkomsten heeft de regering niet nodig, omdat ze al met langdurig overschot te maken hebben.
Mael Dunbar (Minister van Financiën): 'Maybe wait a month, and decide 1 of march after having some numbers.'
NoTie112 (President van eNederland): 'Let's not put the taxes back in a haste, but make a decesive decision, after we know what the exact results of these taxes are..'
Waarom zouden we wachten met het terugdraaien van deze gedwongen belastingverhoging? Het Congres heeft hier nooit over gestemd, en zelfs met het verlagen van de belastingen komt er waarschijnlijk meer geld binnen doordat nu ook de grondstoffenmarkt wordt belast.
NoTie112 (President van eNederland): 'It must be clear if we really insist on changing them now, we shouldn't just put them blunt back to former values and then once again discuss the exact numbers, but making a sane, final decision immediately.'
De belasting moet juist wel eerst terug naar het oude niveau. Daarna kan er worden gediscussieerd over ingrepen in de belasting.
Uit bovenstaande blijkt dat de regering, gesteund door de partijen TDP en I&W, voor belastingverhoging is, en dus voor lagere inkomens. De regering gaat er zonder goede argumenten mee akkoord dat de belastingdruk in ons land wordt verhoogd, zonder dat de volksvertegenwoordigers zich daarover hebben uitgesproken. De regering gaat ermee akkoord dat de gewone man minder te besteden heeft. De regering zegt voor deze belastingverhoging te zijn, terwijl er in hun programma toch duidelijk staat dat ze niet willen tornen aan de belastingen!
En waarvoor? Het is niet zo dat de regering om geld verlegen zit. Integendeel, er heerst al maanden een aanzienlijk begrotingsoverschot. Het extra geld dat door deze belastingverhoging binnenkomt, wordt alleen maar toegevoegd aan de grote pot met goud die door deze regering wordt beheerd - alleen maar beheerd, niet uitgegeven.
DemNL vindt dat deze belastingverhoging zo snel mogelijk moet worden teruggedraaid. Iedereen die de belangen van de burgers behartigt, kan het niet met ons oneens zijn.
Partijvoorzitter van DemNL
Vice-partijvoorzitter van DemNL
“We will not support sudden changes in taxes.” - Election platform NoTie112
Dear citizens of the eNetherlands,
Due to the recent changes in eRepublik, the admins put the income tax on 10%. Before this change, the eDutch income tax was 4%, which means that it has been raised by 150%. This tax raise severely cuts into every employee's budget.
Therefore, it is only logical to return the tax to the previous level: 4%. There is currently a debate in Congress about this topic, as well. Surprisingly, there is some opposition to this measure. Let's see who they are and why they think a tax raise is justified.
Luuklag: 'I think we should leave it at 10% untill we discussed if it needs changing or not. That way we keep changes to a minimum, making things easier for managers.'
It is precisely this tax raise which is a change that managers need to cope with.
Auggustus: 'I agree, leave it @ 10%. I think it will generate more taxes this way seeing that raws are now probably also subject to 10% tax.'
This tax raise will probably raise government income. But the government doesn't need this extra income, because they have had a surplus for a long time.
Mael Dunbar (Minister van Financiën): 'Maybe wait a month, and decide 1 of march after having some numbers.'
NoTie112 (President van eNederland): 'Let's not put the taxes back in a haste, but make a decesive decision, after we know what the exact results of these taxes are..'
Why wait with repealing this forced tax raise? Congress never voted on it, and even if we lower this tax again, income will probably rise because of the inclusion of the raw materials companies into the tax system.
NoTie112 (President van eNederland): 'It must be clear if we really insist on changing them now, we shouldn't just put them blunt back to former values and then once again discuss the exact numbers, but making a sane, final decision immediately.'
Taxes should be restored to what they were before a discussion of changing the tax system is possible.
From the information above, it follows that the government, supported by the TDP and I&W parties, supports this tax raise and thus supports less income for employees. The government, without good arguments, agrees to a tax raise in our country, without Congress having been involved. The government supports the fact that the common man has less money to spend. The government claims to support this tax raise, while in their programme, they vow not to touch taxes!
And for what? It's not like the government is short on money. Quite the contrary: there has been a surplus for ages. The extra money raked in by this tax raise will only add to the pot of gold the government has been hoarding - only hoarding, not spending.
DemNL is op the opinion that this tax raise needs to be reversed as soon as possible. Everyone who has the citizens' interests at heart, simply cannot disagree with us.
Party president of DemNL
Vice party president of DemNL
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'Nuff said right?
Supported 😁
Voted & supported, this whole "let's keep this unnatural tax increase in place" is insane. We have plenty of funds to restore the old tax percentage. There is no need to abuse this situation to increase taxes. We are unable to spend it, why would a tax increase be needed then?
Applauded!!!! as well as voted ofcourse 🙂
Why keep the tax rate this if you are not gonna increase your spending!
People did not chose this so this sudden tax increase is unjust!
No taxation without Representation!
This is more of an administrative matter than a political one - unless the government wanted to raise taxes all along 😁
Stupid to use individual remarks as a party standpoint. In my opinion the change is a good moment to debate and can be voted upon in 24 hours.
@osxy: Where does it say that the individual remarks are party standpoints? It's only an illustration of the arguments. The remarks from the MoF and CP, however, do count as government standpoints, as I'm sure you agree 😁
Een zielige en laffe poging om zieltjes te winnen rond verkiezingstijd.
Ach ja, wie de bal kaatst..
@broersje, if you keep the tax at 10% then it is basically agreeing to the fact of tax increase because of the change of economic system that plato did.
So it is a tax raise afterall if you do not directly vote for change, then you basically agree to stick to the status quo.
@garmr, overdrijven is ook een vak (mijn specialty), verkiezingstijd of niet oppositie hoort altijd te klagen zoniet dan kan je net zo goed 1 partij hebben.
@Garmr: NO ARGUMENTS DETECTED. COMMENT IGNORED. BLIEP.
True, only I do agree on the standpoint of Broersje. It is not clear how big a difference it will make if we do not posses numbers about the current situation.
@Garmr sending out food on election day is not?
Ofcourse, these personal marks are no party programme points, just like Osxy said. After all, congress members are free to think whatever they feel like. However: it is strange to see that congress members see this >>forced tax change
Congress, change everything back immediately, as we, the people, have the right to be represented by a congress that makes changes for us, not for the admins!
You as people voted for the congress, so if the congress would agree on keeping, waiting x days to make a conclusion or change it back right a way then it is representing the people.
@osxy: You're absolutely right. We'll have a pretty good impression of what Congress wants tomorrow, with the in-game vote coming up 😁
I see that there is some confusion about personal remarks being identified with party standpoints. Where the text reads 'From the information above, it follows that the government, supported by the TDP and I&W parties, supports this tax raise and thus supports less income for employees.', it is meant that the government itself is supported by the parties mentioned, not that this particular stance is supported by these parties.
It is the way the sentence is build. If a remark is made about the government then it should be to the government, why include the parties. If you still think it this is a clear sentense then you can also say: From the information above, it follows that the government, which is chosen by the people through congress, supports this tax raise, thus represented by the people.including DemNL
How nice to see false reasonings from DemNL. To read the truth, read Auggy's article:http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-new-tax-rate--1957805/1/20
Auggy's truth is you get the NLG from the normal men on the street, while nothing really improves.
Income tax to 10% isn't enough to get a better rate on the MM, and you know it.
With every ingame change, there is a change in moneyflow. Blindly lowering taxes before knowing the full impact of the change is populism and hardly a good way to govern.
I'm really dissapointed that Demnl uses ingame changes for political profit.
That's the spirit, voted
Voted & Supported!
@ Luuklag & Mael Dunbar and other defenders of this draconic tax raise:
Did you inform all YOUR party members already that you've decided that the CP's election promises are worthless and players should swallow a 150% tax increase?
I think it's rather cowardly to hide behind admin's back and say 'hey, they did it, not us' and then come up with all kinds of reasons why it should stay that way. In fact it's undemocratic because no one, including congress, voted for it.
Well I have the citizens interest at heart. The interest where citizens can really get 0.001 gold for their NLG, which will be impossible with low taxes.
And btw, this government didn't support sudden tax changes. Admin changed the taxes, and now the populist want a sudden change again. Of course this government can't approve of that, as that would mean breaking a election promise.
We want to recover to the previous situation, that can hardly be called change.
@ Luuklag
"And btw, this government didn't support sudden tax changes. Admin changed the taxes, and now the populist want a sudden change again. Of course this government can't approve of that, as that would mean breaking a election promise. "
As I said before, please do not hide behind admin's back. It was a democratic decision to set tax levels at 4%. So there it should stay until our representatives in congress decide otherwise. That admin had to adjust tax levels to be able to make game adjustments has nothing to do with anything.
As for having citizens best interest at heart: if - and thats a big if, I have not seen any convincing arguments yet - higher taxes would mean better gold rates then raising taxes should be decided upon in a democratic way. What's happening now has nothing at all to do with democracy and I sincerely hope that everyone will take that into account come next CP and congress elections.
See the official statement from our MoF: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mof-on-the-changes-in-the-economic-module-1957991/1/20
@Luuklag: Dat is ook maar een mening 😁
best handig, dat als je zover naar beneden moet scrollen je nog steeds je health count ziet :- )
I actually agree with those who claim the tax rate should not be changed rashly. If we take a look at the economical climate right now, we'll see that a lot has changed.
(1) The prices of finished products have lowered drastically. I personally focus primarily on Q1 and Q2 food, which I had been steadily selling at 0.75 and 1.45 NLG respectively for the past two months (and I sell about 1300 food/day). Now Q1 food has lowered to 0.6 NLG.
(2) The prices of wages have increased drastically. I went from 112 NLG (which was above average before the eRep changes) to 151 NLG.
(3) The prices of raw materials have thus far remained unaffected, or have had only slight changes, but I expect them to follow suit with the rest of the products as more raws will be needed due to being able to assign more workers to a single factory.
(4) Gold prices have gone up from ~1100 NLG to ~1500 NLG. I think this is unrelated to the recent changes, but still worrying. This is especially evident for the advancement of new players.
With these game changes, we don't know the scope and the effect of the changes in the market. Hastily decreasing the taxes to the previous setting might therefore have an adverse effect.
I think we should try our best to stabilize the market, and find a way to increase the value of the eDutch market. Perhaps we can do so with government funding, perhaps there is another way. Just changing it back won't solve anything.
Quick addition: Higher taxation may make purchasing (or even selling) raw materials less attractive, forcing company owners to use workers in raw material lands. This will lower the amount of finished products offered on the market, increasing the prices.
Having employees is only beneficial to players with at least a Q3 company (which with the changing of prices may even be Q4 or Q5 now). This means that players already strong economically will benefit from this market change. New players will have an even tougher time growing, which directly conflicts with the 'babyboom' strategy.
(darn, I had commented in here, but must have been logged out)
Maar echt een goede uiteenzetting van feiten! hulde!
#artem; echt he