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This will interfere in other parties where you have two choices.
Ordered democracy will not work 🙁

@cocoamok: Well, at least your position in the LSD is safe then 😉

Since when is it forbidden in the UNL that you not may run for partypresident?

Quote from 'our' constitution:
[Article 3] Every eDutch citizen has the right to express his opinion, except for under his responsibility under law.

[Article 4]Every eDutch citizen has the right to vote and be elected, exceptions set by law excluded.

Its legal...

n my eyes the Army has the obligation to defend democracy. Their intervention is perfectly normal as they are only going to defend democracy and are not trying to take over control of it.

I support this action, and I hope it will succeed

@ArtemIvanov : It may be legal for them to run, but it is clearly with bad intentions for the eUNL. They are trying to prevent democracy and are willing to destroy everything we are working for. In my eyes this may be the first step to an RW war, which would be against the constitution

(and as far as I remember, this constitution isn't official yet)

Like you keep using as argument, as a merged country we don't have an official constitution.

If you don't:
[Article 1] Every eDutch citizen has the right on a basic personal freedom and protection of his freedom and rights.

@ apotygma, this constitution is official.

Also, GVD stands for democracy and freedom. Why is bicky not free to run for pp?

RW against the constitution? I do think that it is the right for anyone to act in eRepublik within the rules. Indeed for a governmental member it is not allowed to do a RW if it is against our rules. But forbid civilians to do that?

And as GVD is a centre right wing party for equality, freedom and democracy, why it is so clear that this entrance of BP members in GVD is against the party? Maybe it is only against the current leader there? Maybe they only want real equality, freedom and democracy? The army is no answer on this.

Frerk, your article is about defense, I have seen no orders to battle about another country, you abuse of your position of minister

PTO'ing a opposing party like this is undemocratic and immoral.

Mighty Sigh,

Where can i see they want to PTO the party? Maybe bicky wants real Democracy, freedom and Equality

I ask the resignation of Frerk.

That's not the first time that he go wrong.

Frerk : the wrong choice of minister of defense, he must resign

ATO = defense task
Deal with it

@Artem: I see it as a PTO because they have not even bothered to talk inside the party. They went straight for a revolution, and that's also a... Take Over right.

We actually have prove that this is a real TO, congressmembers know what I'm talking about.

Frek must resign !!

"Old BP", what are you trying to do? Create chaos?

Good work Frerk. Youre totaly right!

This is a military putsch in aid of imperialist aggression and world conquest.

What the hell have you been sniffing Tacitus?

@Pander: LSD? 😛

The old members of BP could choose a inactive party when they would need one. This is just a takeover we always condemned PTO so an ATO order is allowed.

How many golds did you receive from CreveRoeland for do this !
You are corrupt Frerk ! We know it

Hahaha, are you losing the discussion and now turning to accusations. Frerk is against the plans of GVD, but that isn't the point here.

This article must be delete.
Other parties and citizen can make an ATO.

Defence and government can't. (look at constitution)

The Pto have no problem with citizen and parties reactions.
The government should stay outside from this.

Ah, so it is a pto, ha! And vanouze was all the time denying it. Thank you slivever for confirming it.

Voila pto means ato, so the army is doing its job.

Tacitus thinks the job of law enforcement should be done with tea and scones.

I do not like our current government, for many reasons, but here I salute them for standing strong and proud.

As we don't have a police force, one can assume our defence force attends to all internal and external security needs.

Honestly, I do not care at all that people(especially the ones performing the PTO) discuss about me doing the wrong job.

PTO's, even though this one is a party TO, are threats to a country, when my country is being threatened, I stand up to defend my country. You can only expect other from people who don't love their country.

Ha, I&W ... Follow the rules, no rules for them!

Always the same, always the shame!

this is interference of democracy in my opinion, the army should stay out of ANY democratic process. that is a principe of democracy. Only then we can all be equal

we can be equal when people just start there own party, and dont try to take over an other party.

even than Andreas, a Minister of Defence has no right to order his soldiers to vote for anything in particular or interfere with any democratic system or event. A soldier can only be ordered to fight!

+10 to DimlightHero

I think this is stupid. You can NEVER order military to interfiere with democraty. Confer: the USA. That sais enough imo.

Yet, it happens all the time in eRepublik, and we never heard any complaints before. Only the difference is now that it happens in eUNL, not abroad.

@John de Lange: There is a difference: the PTO is not from enemy soldiers, it is done by eUNL citizens. To use the army against citizens is not that normal. I can understand why it is said it was needed, but it could have been dealt with without the army.

Next interference will be 20 people joining DTS to get rid of GVD in the elections. It is possible, but it will be extremely different to counter this tactic, because the result can be that for example MIB will come on place 7 with 50 members DTS with 55 members and GVD (with 20 soldiers support on 59).
Nevertheless I am against these tricks and actions. GVD is saved for now.

@mok: you just gave them ideas 😉

Probably lol

I also find it disturbing that you're still defending the PTO'ers.

This is abuse of Minister power.

GVD wasn't being takeover by foreigners.

Frerk must resign

A military coup was exactly what was needed ...

Although I'm against PTO's in any way, shape or form, I'll also tell you this: you are the army, not a political party.
Now go think of a proper army structure (it would be about time) and stay out of politics, please.

Shame you can't vote *against* an article 😉

But with the eUNL Army Command in the hands of I&W - GVD - GLD, what else than this could we expect..?

Are you sure, Frerk, that you would have sent out this order if it were another party in this kind of trouble?
Once again: the army as an organization is meant to fight and should stay out of political matters.

I am

Frerk took the right action in doing what he did. As a united nation and under the current circumstances everyone should understand that bicky's actions were unjust. We all know that BP despises GVD and likewise but that is no reason to do a political take over of their party. There is nothing democratic about that. How can any of you think twice about not supporting Frerk in this??? The funny thing is I wouldn't expect anything less from Belgians/BP Party supporting this but even Dutch people going this low shocks me. Let's just take over every top 5 party while we are at it because that is the democratic way of doing things.