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I'd really love somebody from UKPP to explain wtf they're doin

I don't know for others, but I am currently going to work.

thank you

You're welcome. I'm always happy to answer any question o7

I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons we got Congress back was to make sure this problem is settled and we could create a bill/law with the help of the public to ensure there are set rules to follow when we end up in this situation again. And now you've decided to not allow bills? I think you are going against the common sense rule, or you have a very strange definition of common sense. Please tell me you are joking. If we end up wiped next month? We spend another couple weeks of pointless debating/articles/voting to sort it out again?

"anything this congress did would risk simply being struck down by the next Congress"
I don't see how that's a reason to not allow Congress to do things. Also, many people currently in this Congress will be here next month, so why would it suddenly be struck down?

I presume a Motion of No Confidence in the speaker can still be proposed? You've not gone crazy with power?

With regards to the budget, it looks decent. We have more money budgeted for MPPs than we usually have MPPs, is this for extra just in case or are there plans? This can be taken sensitive I presume if there are secret plans.

Also, how much do we make from 6% work tax? That effects both debates.

Nothing sensitive - 18 MPP's covers our current stack and two more.

With the events of the past few days I can see a potential need for signing new MPP's. If that happens, it'll have to go to a vote anyway as it'll be new and a budget taking into account additional MPPs would simply mean we have one vote instead of two. Allowing us to act quicker.

If it doesn't happen, we don't spend the money and we'll be even better off.

Ok, I don't mind having the extra two possible MPPs (can be more useful than COs), we can decide whether to sign if we ever get to a vote. I just wanted to know if there were plans :/

"I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons we got Congress back was to make sure this problem is settled"

Not to my knowledge. Anyone who thinks that the problem of what to do when we are wiped can be solved by a congress vote is being silly. It needs a referendum, otherwise its just a case of 'Congress votes for Congress to still exist!'. There's not a shred of legitimacy there.

That said I will make an exemption for your bill since it relates to an urgent problem that does require a solution prior to the next congress coming in.

We needed a congress because the government cannot function without one, which is what I intend for this congress to do.

Way I see it this Congress was selected by a slanted cross section of the eUK that only includes those who read the media, on a turnout less than half of what we normally get.

You can of course propose to remove the Speaker if you wish.

It's not a case of me ruling out all bills, its simply that I don't think it is worth Congress legislating for issues which could easily be settled by the next, 100% legitimate congress.

Regionless Procedure Bill
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10O9gseUfmfW690nE4dRgCRsvSJ8fl2yTOxi8DAN0y2s/edit?usp=sharing

I made this up right now based on what happened over the past two weeks. I'm not proposing it to Congress yet, I just want everyone to read it and say what they want. Meta-elections won the public vote so I wrote it based around that, but I don't care as long as we have a structure to follow if this ever happens in the future.

BEWARE UK CITIZENS THE FASCIST ARE BACK (fap = Ian keers mark2 or maybe even him)

FAP and Addaway I mean Boatface are a pair of FASCIST

We witnessed Boatface disregarding of democracy when he gave waynekerr the keys to the safe, and he is trying to dismantle democracy and give his lover free range. like impeaching the President

Anyone who reads this can see what you are up too

Legitimacy
Due to the very low number of votes on the election that brought this Congress into being, I do not think that this Congress can exercise the same level of legitimacy that regularly elected Congress’ do.

Complete hogwash you and FAP are fascist just admit it

You have no sense of democracy or even helping others and here you go again saying congress has no legitimacy well you are only the speaker and I'm sure congress would have to vote on that.

I don't have a short memory, unlike some, and remember the handing over of the Dictatorship pretty well. At the time, I was in favour of the Wayne/SerF "takeover" though I was unaware of the *true* reason behind it - that Addaway./Adastros/Boatface did it "for the lulz". It cost us our treasury (again), and I still do not trust Adders fully, despite his apology and attempts to rebuild his reputation. However, in his first stint as Speaker he proved to be impartial and incredibly competent, and his proposals for a National MU (which I have considered for a long time to be a Very Good Thing) have set wheels in motion which could actually reverse the decline of the country, socially if not militarily.

Again, I have reservations about FaP. His tenure as UKPP PP was terminated, leaving us with a troll in charge. His tenure as Speaker left much to be desired, especially his habit of using his personal newspaper as the de facto Speaker newspaper, thus any claims he might have made of impartiality were blown out of the window with his satirical article attacking the CP at the start of her second term. Nevertheless, he has proved to be impartial as Speaker in Congress.

To declare that people are "fascists" due to these actions is, quite frankly, laughable and shows a complete lack of understanding as to what a fascist is. If Addaway was truly a fascist, he would have retained the dictatorship and disregarded any democratically elected body until such a time that he was overthrown. If FaP was truly a fascist, he would have been partial to one particular person or group during his tenure as Speaker.

Regardless of the legitimacy of Congress (which came about through a referendum run by King Woldy, lest we forget, and the makeup of which was also open to public vote), it remains the de facto legislative body of this country, despite all the Legalese waffle that makes up our Constitution and all the metagaming that construes.

I'd always "give my lover free range" too, free range produce is usually a higher quality and you gotta give yo girl the best

"BEWARE UK CITIZENS THE FASCIST ARE BACK"

Fascism
ˈfaʃɪz(ə)m/
noun
noun: fascism

An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

I have a few questions for you Harry.

'Authoritarianism is marked by "indefinite political tenure" of the ruler' - Which UK party does this best describe?

Which party in the UK most uses nationalism to advertise itself?

'Right-wing politics hold that some forms of social stratification or social inequality are inevitable' - What UK party supplies it's voters weapons?

Authoritarianism is marked by "indefinite political tenure" of the ruler' - Which UK party does this best describe? it best describe a group not a party as such just a group.

and this group wants to from a national I repeat national unit which will supplies voters and direct voters and have total control

Please remember which German man disbanded his congress, someone people want only a few people to have a say while others want everyone to have a say.

You didn't answer the questions...

Boats crossed out the bad stuff and for the record BP never supplies voters or hands out food I have never seen such articles. if you wish to converse please me mail.

Isn't your MU (which you supply) in control of that party?

What about the other questions

and look Rory his crossed it all out now, but deep down he wishes he could take total control .

I've crossed what out?

make sure you have your tin foil hat on mate x

The royal navy supplies UKPP members and others TUP Family supplies TUP~ members , BI supply WRP members , Legion supply BP and others kinda normal in this game.

The RN is apolitical, and FBI does not require or urge its members to vote WRP. Tup Family is highly inactive.

It's only actually legion that is used as a voter base to overtly and aggressively push one particular party.

Not sure why you think a National MU would have anything to do with voting- it would be explicitly apolitical, with political shouts banned

RN's told off anybody posting political gubbins in their feed at least since I joined, why is u arguin with points that are at least nearly 3 years out of date m8?

"The royal navy supplies UKPP" Whaaaat? The Royal Navy supplies its members from whatever party. There is absolutely no RN - UKPP deal.

tell me the % of UKPP players in navy.

the % doesn't matter though- there will be many RN members in every party since its the biggest MU. Almost half of the UKRP is in the RN- does that make the RN linked to the UKRP? Of course not.

I'll say again, Legion is the only MU that instructs its fighters to vote for a certain party

The RN has 130 members, only 29 are members of the UKPP 🙂 That is around 22.3% of the MU, nothing...
(OK, the UKPP has 45 members, 29 in the Royal Navy (4 in DC, 4 in Legion and so on), so what? There is absolutely no deal between RN and UKPP, we don't even talk about political stuff in the MU, neither we talk about RN in UKPP)

We don't even have captains in the RN 🙂

Budget - The budget seems reasonable, as I understand it depending on Work Tax levels and how many core regions are occupied our income could range from 90k to 750k, so 240k seems like an acceptable level of expenditure.

Work Tax increase - Seems like we will need this to pay for the moderate expenditures listed in the budget, plus building up our reserves to pay for supplying a national MU (if that gets implemented).

Once these two matters are decided I'd like to see some discussion of Cheetah's bill for what to do in the event of a wipe, as well as how we might be able to fund a national MU if and when it gets implemented.

I can understand your hesitation on legitimacy etc, but I did go through lengths to try and make the vote as legitimate in a mandate granting sense as possible, the only issue was the reduced turnout - but could this be an example of a time when we have to play the hand we are dealt? For going forward, I would suggest allowing Congress to function normally and after the next IG election simply have the new cohort hold a motion to ratify everything the current Congress achieves. Otherwise we're going to have 30 blokes wasting their time this month.

Yes that might be a good compromise

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[VOTE OPEN] FightAndProduce's Budget.


I vote Aye

Aye

Aye

Aye to FaPs budget

Aye

Aye to Budget

nay to FaP's budget (FA deserves a raise)

nay

a bit pinnickety but can we refer to Huey and Kieran as WRP?

and JiminyChristmas as PCP

Yes.

Meh, aye.

Aye to FightAndProduce's Budget

Aye to budget

VOTE OPEN- Work Tax to 6%. 24hr vote.


Please indicate which votes you are casting if you havent voted in the Budget vote.

Budget - Aye
WT to 6% - Aye