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[ATLANTIS]India, Israel, Greece, USA penalty and current War situation.
Elections are overwith and the new governments have had time to settle within the walls of our alliance so now it is time to review the latest decisions and situations.
First of all I would like to adress the sad situation of India, that have been left out of ATLANTIS (for now) due to the conquer it has suffered by Indonesia. We really hope this changes soon and look forward to get the opportunity to welcome them in the near future.
We also inform you that a vote regarding whether to enforce the penalty on the US for breaking the ATLANTIS treaty has been held and the result is that they have to pay each member nation 100 Gold, as the charter demands.
What's happening on the battlefields around the world?
- The so called "Clash of the Titans", Romania and Indonesia, ATLANTIS vs PEACE, is a constant struggle. In the first events of this war, Romania lost West Siberian Region to Indonesia, a highly valuable region, and Transnistria in a RW, so we got Moldavia again on the maps for a while. In this article by Benn Dover, you can find a very good explanation of this battle. Romania is starting to be constantly blocked by Hungary, specially on Southern Great Plain and [url==http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/Southern-Transdanubia]Southern Transdanubia[/url] while some RWs have also being started on both sides to divert forces. Indonesia has also attacked Northern Region and if this region is lost, Indonesia will have access to a border with Finland. Remember that Indonesia now has border also with Norway.
- On the other side, we still have other wars ongoing on ATLANTIS vs PEACE. With the current president of Pakistan, Han Solo, Pakistan is attacking Indonesia and Iran to help Romania and Spain is also attacking France. While there are many battle fronts opened, resources are greatly focused on certain minimal targets.
- USA vs Mexico: USA has been unstoppable to conquer most of the regions of Mexico, leaving only three regions still not conquered. At the moment, Mexico is trying to reinforce alliances with another countries. The final outcome of this war is still to be decided.
- Anvil'09: The training ground opened between Noraway and Finland is still opened but with no active battles for the moment. As I said, most of the eWorld is centered on Romania vs Indonesia.
- Austria is mostly occupied now by Germany and Hungary. Only one region is left, Tyrol.
This said, we have the pleasure to greet both Israel and Greece welcome as Passive members of ATLANTIS. We are really looking forward to a strong and longlasting relationship with these nations that have proven their true eager in colaborate with us. We hope for them to grow strong under our protection for them to become the great societies they deserve to be.
As we anounced in the last article a new Secretary General and Supreme Commander will be appointed very soon. By the end of the week they will probably be introducing themselves to the eWorld.
Welcome Greece and Israel!!
Go ATLANTIS!!
Diarmuid & Meiko
Supreme Commander and Secretary General of ATLANTIS
First of all I would like to adress the sad situation of India, that have been left out of ATLANTIS (for now) due to the conquer it has suffered by Indonesia. We really hope this changes soon and look forward to get the opportunity to welcome them in the near future.
We also inform you that a vote regarding whether to enforce the penalty on the US for breaking the ATLANTIS treaty has been held and the result is that they have to pay each member nation 100 Gold, as the charter demands.
What's happening on the battlefields around the world?
- The so called "Clash of the Titans", Romania and Indonesia, ATLANTIS vs PEACE, is a constant struggle. In the first events of this war, Romania lost West Siberian Region to Indonesia, a highly valuable region, and Transnistria in a RW, so we got Moldavia again on the maps for a while. In this article by Benn Dover, you can find a very good explanation of this battle. Romania is starting to be constantly blocked by Hungary, specially on Southern Great Plain and [url==http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/Southern-Transdanubia]Southern Transdanubia[/url] while some RWs have also being started on both sides to divert forces. Indonesia has also attacked Northern Region and if this region is lost, Indonesia will have access to a border with Finland. Remember that Indonesia now has border also with Norway.
- On the other side, we still have other wars ongoing on ATLANTIS vs PEACE. With the current president of Pakistan, Han Solo, Pakistan is attacking Indonesia and Iran to help Romania and Spain is also attacking France. While there are many battle fronts opened, resources are greatly focused on certain minimal targets.
- USA vs Mexico: USA has been unstoppable to conquer most of the regions of Mexico, leaving only three regions still not conquered. At the moment, Mexico is trying to reinforce alliances with another countries. The final outcome of this war is still to be decided.
- Anvil'09: The training ground opened between Noraway and Finland is still opened but with no active battles for the moment. As I said, most of the eWorld is centered on Romania vs Indonesia.
- Austria is mostly occupied now by Germany and Hungary. Only one region is left, Tyrol.
This said, we have the pleasure to greet both Israel and Greece welcome as Passive members of ATLANTIS. We are really looking forward to a strong and longlasting relationship with these nations that have proven their true eager in colaborate with us. We hope for them to grow strong under our protection for them to become the great societies they deserve to be.
As we anounced in the last article a new Secretary General and Supreme Commander will be appointed very soon. By the end of the week they will probably be introducing themselves to the eWorld.
Welcome Greece and Israel!!
Go ATLANTIS!!
Diarmuid & Meiko
Supreme Commander and Secretary General of ATLANTIS
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you stole my flag thing for adding countries
Well it's smart to copy something if it's good right.
Anyway, most interresting part I think is this:
"We also inform you that a vote regarding whether to enforce the penalty on the US for breaking the ATLANTIS treaty has been held and the result is that they have to pay each member nation 100 Gold, as the charter demands."
When will we see the official response of the USA?
Oh and I hope to see India back on the map soon as well
I wonder if USA will honour their agreements and pay
Clash of the titans is working fine.
Maybe interesting for Atlantis to offer Moldavia protection to stay independent, as Atlantis offers all nations, because Atlantis is always very wise and nice?
What about Romania and Spain and other countries who broke this "charter"? Do we overlook that and just punish the USA?
PEACE!!!
We will Win :'D
100 GOLD each country? :X
@Emerick, if that is the kind of loyalty we can expect from an ally (not saying that it is the case) then it might be for the best. I trust the US to do the what will honor their word when signing the treaty.
@Harrison Richardson, that was also judged internally when it happened and the decisions were different.
Good informative article! Voted.
@Cocoamok: Moldavia united with Romania by the free will of Moldavian people.
I didn't see everyone paying a hundred gold to the Argentinians when they left them high and dry.
ATLANTIS is a hotbed of hypocritical lunacy, a sad bunch of pathetic tinpot dictators who will soon be lapdogs of PEACE when the Indonesians roll through and teach you a lesson not to start wars you can't finish.
I have a good feeling our leaders are going to tell you where to stick it but if they don't, I'll be disappointed.
Which would you rather have: 900 gold or the US continuing to send troops to support the alliance? Because once Mexico is concluded we'll be mobilizing more troops, but we'll be unable to buy them moving tickets and weapons as you will have our national treasury.
@Meiko - Atlantis should make public which leaders voted which way and in what ways this situation is different than past situations.
Sorry, I but see treating countries like Romania, Sweden, and Norway as a slap in the face to all the countries that they've taken over. These countries are money-grubbing jews, honestly. I've been there. Nobody in Atlantis does anything worthwhile for each other. They lost France, they lost Argentina, and they're losing Romania. This isn't an alliance, it's a bunch of kids in a forum pretending to be an alliance, and throwing shit at the US because Dish caused a stir, and DF pissed them off. If the US pays this, it'll be the only productive thing that Atlantis has ever done.
It seems that ATLANTIS is falling down, ha?
I second the comments of Eugene and Emerick (except the money grubbing Jew thing, tsk tsk tsk) And say to those of you wanting an E-United Nations, ATLANTIS may not be it, but with this asinine maneuver they are acting just like such an incompetent body would.
Just when I had started getting myself used to his bone head alliance too *sigh*.
HAIL ATLANTIS
^This is how you ignore the content of an article and shout blind faith.
PROTIP: Atlantis isn't capable of winning anything.
Emerick is pretty cool, not going to lie
@Emerick, the purpose of ATLANTIS isn't to win anything. You don't have to like it and you don't have to agree with its decisions but I would still ask you for a bit more of respect. If it isn't too much to ask...
lol
@Emerick, some countries still with the vote, viewing the current situation, as far as I know, will forget about the penalty. A sign of good will. And where is Uncle Sam official position regarding about this?
@Eugene, the voting process is not public, and the privacy is respected on this matter
Meiko - ignore the troll and answer if you intend to publish the vote and the reasoning on how this situation is different.
If you won't make it public then it won't be accepted as legitimate in the US. There is already a public perception in the US that we are being treated unfairly, transparency would go a long way toward changing America's views on this.
@Eugene Harlot, I wont publish the vote as it is private (as Diarmuid already said) and it is different because the current countries have decided it to be different. I cannot answer for each country, as I don't speak for them individually. I just bring to you the result of their voting.
"@Emerick, the purpose of ATLANTIS isn't to win anything."
I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood the purpose of a military alliance. Could you tell me where I went wrong?
I'm not down for the 100 gold/country fee. No treasury means no help from America in the future.
Welcome to the Atlantis family!
I won't accept a fiat and neither will the American public. We've already had our treasury stolen, I can't support giving it away under these circumstances. Enjoy our gold, I think you have just bought our exit from the alliance.
Why is this "contact of allegiance" only now being enforced. Why is it that the U.S. is the only target of the sanctions? What happened to the U.K. for violating the treaty in regards to sending TROOPS TO FIGHT AGAINST THE US in the war in mexico? I say, do not pass go do not collect 200 gold and go directly to PHAIL!
Why is the United States the only target of these sanctions. How come the U.K. isn't being targeted, or for that matter (Romania?) for their "imperialistic" and unannounced military endeavors. I say do not pass Go do not collect 200 gold and go directly to PHAIL. This topic would not even still being discussed had Dish not made such a hissy about it like Emerick said...
Preach it, Eugene Harlot and fourgot10!
Seems like Atlantis is going to do a better job of defeating itself than Peace
This is all bull, Why the heck does ATLANTIS insist on destroying itself in its time of trial? Seriously what effect do you think this sanction will bring? Community? Fellowship?
and in the words of Bastion "Preach it, Eugene Harlot and fourgot10!"
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Pay your fee you dirty cheaters.
"What happened to the U.K. for violating the treaty in regards to sending TROOPS TO FIGHT AGAINST THE US in the war in mexico?"
The UK never sent any troops get your facts straight and the reason the us are being fined is for going to war without 48 hours notice and yes other nations have done it as well but they admitted wrong and agreed to pay if asked for it so it was forgotten about, whilst the US instead of admitting a mistake are whining about being picked upon
fourgot: We are volunteer's with our OWN money. Happens to be, private citizens have their own stocks and we can afford high quality weapons to stop you. The UK government does not fund our private endeavors. All of the UK MoD budget is directly going to deploy troops such as me to assist Romania.
WHOO!
Signatory states of ATLANTIS have routinely been in violation of the Treaty practically since its inception.
I have long opposed US grand strategy being crafted by an unaccountable secret generalsstab of Europeans. I hope now enough eUS citizens will have the sense to realize what an amateur sham ATLANTIS is and always has been.
Um, Citizen Dru: Atlantis was founded by some former US President?
Does the eUK government endorse the actions of it's citizens in fighting against an ally?
"We hope for them to grow strong under our protection for them to become the great societies they deserve to be."
What about the nations taken over or attempted to be taken over by ATLANTIS members?, don't they deserve to be great societies?
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/my-response-to-atlantis-demands-745001/1/20
I feel the need to spam. Here's my kind response to this recent vote:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/my-response-to-atlantis-demands-745001/1/20
I would sooner leave this shit-pie of an alliance before we pay the penalty when Spain and Romania don't have to. This is disgusting.
Here's a slightly updated of my kind, meaningful response to this:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/atlantis-demands-money-the-muckraker-responds-750891/1/20
FAIL
Read the above word carefully. Never has there been a more powerful word in the universe. This is the word sums up Atlantis.
the USA vs Mexico is war games agreed upon by the US government and the legitimate leaders of mexico.
@Ryan: The invasion of Mexico is to drive the Polish out, and then give the Mexicans regions back.
@ATLANTIS: Do you seriously think we're going to agree to paying 900 gold when 2 countries already broke that rule, and you refuse to make the vote public? Enjoy Romania's loss, we won't pay and we won't help if you insist on giving us the cold shoulder like this.
Haha Ryan_5 and Pyramid Corporation, you guys are awesome.
- It's no wargames, there might have been wargames if Sam hadn't just attacked.
- It's not to drive the Polish out and give the Mexicans regions back, they were out before you were in..
It's for the lulz.
Go Atlantis!
This aggression will not stand, man. If Atlantis wants it's money, it had better make the punishment retroactive. Punish all past violators of the treaty, or stick the crumby thing somewhere unpleasant.
"Does the eUK government endorse the actions of it's citizens in fighting against an ally?"
No, but we can't stop private citizens making a moral decision. Even if we did fight against you, any consequence would be invalidated as you started an illegal war which means the government could send the army in if it liked.
YAYA Israel!
Thanks. Communication with the people is something Atlantis needs to work on!
voted!go Greece!go Atlantis!everybody join the fight in Romania!
@ Celtic Bank - So failure to give notice makes our Mexico offensive "illegal" and gives the UK the right to send troops against us? Wow, this treaty really is poorly written. Point to me where in the document you can find something to support that.
This is my major bone with the position of the UK in this, they seem to be of the opinion that the ATLANTIS treaty gives them the right to decide what foreign policy is best for the US. It doesn't.
joining failure
@Celtic Bank -> "Even if we did fight against you, any consequence would be invalidated as you started an illegal war which means the government could send the army in if it liked."
Absolutely false. Braking the treaty is breaking the treaty. I assume the UK government does not support this so it is nothing to worry about, but be careful not to make that mistake. One wrong does not excuse another. Period.
@Eugene Harlot -> "they seem to be of the opinion that the ATLANTIS treaty gives them the right to decide what foreign policy is best for the US. It doesn't."
This is not about your foreign policy. You can go attack the whole eWorld (except ATLANTIS members ) for all I care. Just do it properly or take the blame for not doing it.
To be honest I think you take this WAY out of proportion here. We are talking about the agreed sanction for a treaty breach. When discussed months ago the amount of gold even seemed ridiculously little to some.
The two ocasion this happened big time, like this, both countries were more than willing to pay the price. I didn't see all this whining about "poor us, this is unfear". You are members of an alliance with some terms to follow and you have to accept that. That also includes the possibility to pardon this penalty but this time it wasn't the case. Why are you so upset?
IF YOU WANT OUR GOLD, COME AND TAKE IT.
USA! USA! USA!
I know I wouldnt pay the fine. The way I look at either ATLANTIS can accept it or deal with the consequences. If we leave you lose a large support force and most like wil lonly serve to gain us as an enemy. If your going to penalize us for our deviation from the code of conduct then Id suggest you enforce it against past aggressors first otherwise why would be be inclined to cooperate.
Emerick is right Ive never really seen ATLANTIS operated in a proper fashion, and with the way its been moving I seriously doubt it will continue to last for more than a couple months.
Goodbye ATLANTIS, you worthless steaming pile of garbage. Actually no, that is unfair. Thank you, thank you for making the leaving of the eUSA easier for all. I strongly oppose the US paying one strawpenny to any of you, and if it is done I may be moving to a country that has a backbone to stand up against idiots in power. /Now, here you go have a nice DVD gift basket.
"The two ocasion this happened big time, like this, both countries were more than willing to pay the price. I didn't see all this whining about "poor us, this is unfear". You are members of an alliance with some terms to follow and you have to accept that. That also includes the possibility to pardon this penalty but this time it wasn't the case. Why are you so upset?"
@Meiko - I am upset because Atlantis is not communicating. You are talking about a significant sum while the Atlantis and the US are involved in large-scale military operations. The question isn't so much the fine, which I personally find to be out of proportion for the offense, but that Atlantis seems to be going out of its way to cripple itself. If you want Americans to accept this fine then explain it to us beyond "we said so" especially when it comes on the heals of what has been perceived as unjust criticism regarding our involvement in Siberia. Did this need to be done now?
@Meiko - two ocasion this happened big time, like this, both countries were more than willing to pay the price. I didn't see all this whining about "poor us, this is unfear". You are members of an alliance with some terms to follow and you have to accept that. That also includes the possibility to pardon this penalty but this time it wasn't the case. Why are you so upset?
They agreed to pay but where never asked to the same thing. So while your point is valid that we are upset about you renforcing a rule that hasnt been in the past. You have to admit the fact that it not right that only now you decide to enforce the fine. You might not like our complaining but we didnt like being targeted for a fine that hasnt ever been enforced before.
In what eWorld would the individual voting on this be made public? Don't be rediculous.
Stop whinging, pay the fine and lets move on. If you don't pay the fine, then I can't see how you'll be able to stay in Atlantis and you'll be gone with all honour lost.
THANK YOU. HOPE WE BE BECOME STRONGER UNDER YOUR PROTECTION.
HAIL ATLANTIS!
I'm glad they have to pay
@Eugene: Care to tell me which UK Citizens are in Mexico? Last I knew, every person in Mexico was a Mexican citizen?
Well regardless of what it is able or unable to do, we eIsraelis nonetheless thank Atlantis for letting us join as a passive member state. We are working hard to build ourselves up, and with time, we will build a bright new future!
Btw, according to our U.S.A. Ambassador: Joseph Schmo, the US supposedly plans on winning the war, then letting eMexico refound the country, minus 3 provinces. Of course, the final authority on this is still Uncle Sam.
And I hope that even if this not the case, that the vote will be resolved in a mature, dignified manner.
And your country is capable of something?? You have more enemies than allies remenber that?
About argentinia, you are now in a great alliance, isnt it? but you still have the war against brazil, when peace wants they will kick your ash, you do not mean anyhting for peace
@Dish - Mexico is part of PEACE, what voice should their citizens have in the enforcement of ATLANTIS treaty? If you are but a humble Mexican citizen then why do you insist on reminding people of your past positions in order to bolster your argument and act as if you have any authority to speak for the eUK or even for eMexico?
The U.S has a rife experience dealing with such enemies!
The U.S is my idol!
I want a kid from you Benn!
it should be noted that in times of war ATLANTIS member-states should not have to pay fines when attacking PEACE member-states. The U.S.- while protecting it's borders is ridding the Republik of a PEACE country!
each ATLANTIS member-state that is not invovled in war should donate 25-50 gold to all war entrenched ATLANTIS member-states.
I fully agree with everything Eugene Harlot said.
Being against the US because you're in the opposing alliance for some reason is one thing, but being against them while pretending to be an ally? Omg..
That's hypocritical..
Its ok in the past few weeks most of ATLANTIS has done something dubious, and has had it covered up by the powers that be.
ALL PRAISE ATLANTIS
ATLANTIS FTL!!
us out of atlantis
Much love and respect for our allies and friends: Canada, Croatia, Finland, Norway, Romania, Spain and Sweden. Welcome Greece and Israel. We can have a stronger alliance going forward with better communication and understanding.
Alliances only last as long as they remain in the best interests of all parties concerned. ATLANTIS has made it clear that at least some parties in the alliance do not feel comfortable with the US as an ally. If "loyalty" is not given, "loyalty" will not be returned.
1) You won't see a nickel of the money. Any US Congressperson who votes to pay the fine/extortion will be voted out of office instantly. If you read the US media, you would know that.
2) I suspect the US will soon leave Atlantis. Good luck handling Indonesia on your own.
3) I also suspect that the US will find out who voted for the fine, and who against. I believe we will continue to sign MPP's with our true allies. Those who voted for the fine... are on their own. Again, good luck with an Atlantis that will be down about 11,000 citizens.
Good bye, and thanks for all the fish,
JBB
HA. HAHAHA. I love the comments "ATLANTIS can't handle indo by themeslves" Hey retards, we already have. Not to mention PEACE is going to take back mexico. Guess who's not helping.
USA is USELESS. When you actually do something worthwhile..eh
i love anti-imperialism sentiment... you know if there weren't any imperialist countries and if we all sat in our little respective borders this game would fail. UTTERLY.
Really? Atlantis is handling things well by themselves? You might want to ask a Romanian how things are going lately.
@ Emerick, neither was PEACE at one point, I guess it'l be our turn soon
Romania needs Golds to face Indonesia.
Atlantis thinks USA are useless.
Therefore, USA will have to pay 100 Golds to each member of Atlantis.
: /
eUSA is prepared to call it even for eRomanian shenanigans in eRussia.
LOL FAtlantis
I find it funny that you allow Romania to violate the rules and dont fine them but eUSA breaks the same rules Romania has and We get slapped with a fine?
Thats called being hypocritical. Fine eUSA but let eRomania off the hook for the same crap.
Maybe if Atlantis doesnt wish to lose one of its better members, you might wanna check yourselves and remove the "fine" or start handing them out to Romania for each and every infraction they have had in the course of Atlantis.
There is a growing movement in eUSA to remove ourselves from this alliance (Did you even bother helping in Mexico? Nope) If you wish to see it swell further until such a time as eUSA removes itself from Atlantis, you will remove your ransom demand (Fine) or eventually find that the US has switched sides and your on the business end of its wrath.
Only two sentences about eUSA's situation. Are you kidding me?
ATLANTISISONMYA$$