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Voted. Great article.

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Wtf UK? Voted..

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Luckily, British foreign policy is directed by the elected representatives in 10 Downing Street and the House of Commons, and not by foreign countries with their own interests.

It is time we put these ridiculous alliances aside and reached out to neighbours that have not acted aggressively (ie Germany).

I will be voting for this Alliance, which is a symbolic end to the ATLANTIS-PEACE conflict.

pathetic uk v+ s

@ CV James, I agree. This will help the super alliance conflict if Germany is allied to us and PEACE nations. PEACE nations will be less likely to attack us.

'It is time we put these ridiculous alliances aside and reached out to neighbours that have not acted aggressively'

WTF?! They INVADED POLAND! Sweden and the eUK GOVERNMENT stepped in and invaded Germany as Poland politically took it over and started ruining it after Germany invaded. Sweden then release BOTH countries peacefully.

Do not talk about things you clearly do not understand, it just betrays your ignorance.

I implore British congressmen to vote NO, who's more important? Sweden (our best allies of all time by an absolute mile, we have always fought with them and they have always fought with us) or the Germans who are just as imperialistic as the worst in ATLANTIS and PEACE?

This country is going to the dogs.

@ Toothpaste, there are some experienced citizens who understand our history and our bond of brotherhood, unfortunately the inexperienced, muppet congressmen don't know the history and see themselves as political activists/rebels. They need to get a grip.

Agreed CV. Toothpaste, in signing this MPP with Germany (and we will, don't worry) we're commiting ourselves to a foreign policy where independence is protected no matter who the target country is. You can't argue against Germany's past foreign policy when you're currently prepared to invade them again.

"unfortunately the inexperienced, muppet congressmen don't know the history and see themselves as political activists/rebels."

Maybe that applies to me and a few others, but Squiddy? Ian Keers? Just as experienced as you, but less committed to double standards and hypocracy it seems.

Please don't be so arrogant and patronising widdows. I full well know the history of it all. Sweden too "imperealistically" invaded Denmark and Germany.

Why should the future prosperity of the German nation be torn apart because of actions of the past?

Amen CV! Every country has devoted itself to some sort of negative foreign policy in the past. You're just using it against Germany because you want justification to occupy again.

Despite what they tell you, caps lock is not cool. It just makes you look like a moron.

Because if we don't sign in, Sweden will be in there before you can say Sauercraut.

I fail to understand Sweden's problem with it. We are garunteeing the borders of both nations, and working to prevent any war between the two countries.

The only reason they have a problem with it is because they want to invade (again).

Not in my name!

This wont end the Atlantis-Peace war, it'll just piss off Atlantis and make us look like backstabbers.

I thought the MPP with Germany and going against Sweden looked a bit dodgy, but I'm not too up on foreign affairs, so I abstained.

Sorry guys.

That's my main problem with these alliances. Your foreign policy is controlled by the land desires of the big nations.

Agreed with Bestie101 here. Squiddy asked me for my opinion on this the other day and I strongly opposed because of the reasons mentioned in the article and as you guys are our long-time allies. It really did something fighting side by side with the Swedish president in the trenches when it was still pvp.

Exactly, Michael.

They released Germany quite a while after, Widds. After encroaching on their sovreignity in telling them who they can and can't ally with.

Although I'm not entirely sure using our numbers to vote for the MPP is moral, to be honest. I don't want to break Congress secrecy so I'll say obviously that what we're talking about now is a reaction to not being able to do things properly by someone, if we vote 'Yes' by pure numbers it's doing the exact same thing to you who voted no.

British are just proud of their history, because it will be:
"PEACE for our time" again.

"The only reason they have a problem with it is because they want to invade (again)."

Exactly! If we were talking about invading Sweden, Toothpaste might have a point. All we're talking about is protecting a country that will, if not, be invaded again.

Basically here's what will happen: we sign the MPP, effectively guaranteeing that Sweden will not attack Germany, they will then invade Poland or Czech (I have this is on very good intel from ex presidents etc.) as Sweden will not be there to stop them.

If however, we do not sign the MPP then it is unlikely Germany will attack, it is possible to fight imperialism with the threat of imperialism - sometimes it's the only way to stop an invasion, especially on this game.

'Despite what they tell you, caps lock is not cool. It just makes you look like a moron.'

Sorry about that, erep gets my blood pumping way too fast - just proves I really need a life tbh.

'Not in my name!'

There we go again - another statement that makes you look like the big man standing up against the bi imperialist, you're just as bad as Tommy, you think you're Che Guevara when really you're screwing over the best ally the eUK has ever had and ever will have.

Do you know of any other ally who paid this country 50 GOLD and 500 SEK as a thank you for helping them out? Do you know of any other ally who after getting given 300 GOLD by some guy who infiltrated the NHS (way back in days of Kaleb) would send it straight back to us when they didn't have to and I don't think we were even allies at the time... not sure.

Finally, sure they were imperialist in the past but they've atoned for it: they released Poland, were going to release Germany before PEACE used dirty gold to ruin the process and they released Denmark.

And anyway, according to CV James' reckoning the pass doesn't matter, so that imperialist point is void 😉

'Exactly! If we were talking about invading Sweden, Toothpaste might have a point. All we're talking about is protecting a country that will, if not, be invaded again.'

No! Germany will invade Poland if they get the chance, the only thing stopping them is the threat of Swedish reprisal but we neutralise that by signing an MPP as Sweden won't attack if Germany do as it would start a war with us (we border them I think, not sure).

Plus it is sending out the message that Germany is more important to us than Poland and Sweden - two ATLANTIS members and great allies.

That's not the eUK I know - that's backstabbing.

for christ sake, for the first time I'm honestly ashamed to be e-British. This is truly outrages. Sweden has been our ally for almost since day 1. We have always fought side by side even before the name ATLANTIS was ever spoken.

Germany is a backstabbing nation that aligns with peace and has constantly tried to destroy Sweden and other long lasting allies.

This proposal is treason to the long lasting friendship we have with Sweden.


I am utterly disgusted with this. No other word for it then disgusted.

This is going to label me a filthy turncoat but if your intelligence about an attack on Poland really is sound, then I'm changing my vote. If it's a case of Sweden attacking Germany versus Germany attacking Poland, at least the Swedes are allies.

We need to stand up for the independence of smaller nations. The MPP with Germany stops it being invaded by you or ATLANTIS, and because of it's MMP's with PEACE it won't be attacked by them either. This is the first step in bringing the super alliances closer to disbandment, we need to work together to support independent nations

Indie, you're a good guy and fairly intelligent (apart from thinking eGreece is independent 😛) if we MPP with Germany we will be: traitors, turncoats and not to mention it will give Germany the freedom to attack Poland/Czech... is that what you want to happen? For the eUK to be directly responsible for imperialism because we're too blind to see the consequences of our actions?

The only thing that is stopping them invading one of those two countries is the threat of Swedish reprisal: we sign the MPP and we neutralise that and they will attack and it will be another PEACE v ATLANTIS war and will just move us further apart.

Voted!

I apologise for not dwelling on every single historical fact and believing that people can change, I really do. It's only now that I've realised how wrong of me it was to try and support something other than imperialism from a friendly country.

Yeah, right..

In my eyes, it's either support Sweden taking over another defenceless country and watch as ATLANTIS goes to war with PEACE, yet again.

or

We can actually do something to be proud of and choose to try and stop unnecessary wars from starting up again. Going this way will also show the world that the UK makes it's choices based on what's right instead of just following the scent of our allies arses into battle.

How can you say that ATLANTIS is a good alliance and be a proud member with the likes of Romania and Sweden and 'their' history of empirical attitudes??

I will be voting yes, because I'm sick of ATLANTIS using us as their own personal bank. Oh and before you start saying I'm just another noob who doesn't know anything about ATLANTIS - you're wrong. I was the MoFA for the UK for two terms and I had access to all of the ATLANTIS forums. I know what happened, I know what didn't happen and I know why those things did or didn't happen.

ATLANTIS has no future in a peaceful world, neither does PEACE. The era of super alliances are drawing to an end. You can either join in now or get left behind with the old and the outdated systems.

'ATLANTIS has no future in a peaceful world, neither does PEACE. The era of super alliances are drawing to an end. You can either join in now or get left behind with the old and the outdated systems.'

In other words - let's backstab our best ever ally for the Germans who are more imperialist than the Swedes who have freed all conquered peoples they did invade.

Didn't you see my analysis above? Instead of bringing up the same old points how about answering my one?

Completely agreed with everything Squiddy just said.

Yeah, the statement that doesn't answer this vital point:

'The only thing that is stopping them invading one of those two countries is the threat of Swedish reprisal: we sign the MPP and we neutralise that and they will attack and it will be another PEACE v ATLANTIS war and will just move us further apart.'

What in the earth are UK thinking🙁

So Sweden won't attack if we cancel our MPP with them? I doubt it, if they were against the resistance wars. Will they let the regions go?

Well apparently the proposal isn't even going to pass through a forum congress vote, but even so it should never have been proposed and the people that have voted yes are traitors to ATLANTIS and our best ally ever in favour of the imperialist Germans and PEACE.

@kir: We're thinking, lets stop wars, lets increase cooperation and lets undermine PEACE.

'Will they let the regions go?'

They always have intended to let regions go but in a controlled fashion, PEACE just roared in there with cheaters' gold and ruined the whole process 🙁

CV James, you're ignoring my point. And how are we undermining PEACE? Germany is a part of PEACE (practically) so we're undermining PEACE by allying with them?

I will always support our allies, but I will not support the invasion of any sovereign nation.

I urge all people to think of this conflict in those terms. Let's not appease a nation, simply because it's government are in favour of war.

@widdows: Yep. Because if we don't, as someone else said, we will be pushing Germany further and further into PEACE. This is our PERFECT chance to open up cooperation between the UK and PEACE nations.

And we are squandering it to comply with the demands of a big bully, quite frankly.

If Germany attacks any nation, I will be the first to call for this alliance to end immediately, and I will fight against Germany.

But at the moment, Sweden is the only one acting aggresively.

Apparently this hasn't even entered into a vote yet. As far as I know this could just be the preposition of a lone nutjob.

I fell ashamed to be e-UK'er

Germany is not to be trusted, it's been a trend ever since they attacked Poland aided by indonesia and pakistan.

Exactly, why trust them, co operate with them ahead of Sweden?

'I fell ashamed to be e-UK'er'

QFT.

Well why don't you move to Sweden then shadow?

Precisely, Michael.

Believe it or not, I have yet to make up my mind for final. I merely wish to balance this arguement out, and I hate that we are being pressured into acting a certain way by a bigger, stronger nation.

'pressured into acting a certain way by a bigger, stronger nation.'

So we're a rebellious teenager listening to rock music when his parents love classic for the sake of it?

Or are we going to do the right thing regardless of whether we look like Sweden's bitch?

Well in my opinion, the right thing is to promote ties with PEACE nations and put aside past differences.