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TUP Goes Completely Bonkers

Tag 1,820, 15:42 von Sir Nick Griffin



Dear Anyone who hasn't left the eUK yet,

Over the past few days I had been mulling over whether or not to join the UKRP (Reform Party) in order to renovate it as a good-will gesture. As many of you know, the UKRP has been spiraling downhill for a long, long time. At one point, it was the opposition party; now just a shell of its former self. It has no visible policies, no external or visual activity and is slowly losing members.

Now, I figured it'd be nice of me to join UKRP, run for Party President and try to alleviate these problems seeing as my term for PP of UKPP is over. I can offer my recruitment skills, organisation skills, garner some policies from UKRP members and get some media activity going.

15 Minutes Later; TUP Flips

I joined the #euk chatroom 15 minutes later and encountered a hailstorm of abuse, foul language and threats from senior gov members and roleplayers saying that they'd Politically Take Over (PTO) the UKPP. This threat coming also from our elected President.

Immediately, they assumed that I was planning some sort of destructive take-over of UKRP... which I must make perfectly clear, I am not...

So... now the government are planning to send their jackboot thugs with shaved heads to UKRP in order to vote me out of a legitimate election, not only this, but they're planning on derailing UKPP elections. How do they plan on doing all of this, you ask? Well, with their new 'national army' -Legion-

If this doesn't convince you that our government are completely stark-raving-looney, then I have no idea what will!




22:28 < Carolus_XII_Rex> f*** off sir-nick
22:28 < Carolus_XII_Rex> you touch
22:28 < Carolus_XII_Rex> UKRP
22:28 < Carolus_XII_Rex> and I'll f****** r*** you


22:30 <&DanMoir> UKRP don't want you you utter c***

Talon Karrde - eUK President

22:31 < sir-nick> if i lose, i lose... if i win, ukrp gets more active
22:31 <&DanMoir> when you lose
22:32 <&Talonus_Kardiac> ^
22:32 <&Talonus_Kardiac> that I promise you


22:47 <&Talon_Karrde> cos I'm f*****g p***** off by the w****** ACroc

22:32 <&DanMoir> well let's just ATO UKPP then
22:32 <&DanMoir> on a national level
22:32 <&DanMoir> 2 can play that game
22:32 <&Talonus_Kardiac> I think the legion will prove useful here


Alice (Invalidation) - Swedish Citizen - Has power over eUK citizens

22:41 <@Alice`> .kb sir-nick During the ATO to protect UKRP from you, your use of this channel as a platform to try and gain support is denied.

22:42 <@Alice`> he can be unbanned if he drops his attempt for UKRP leadership

22:46 < Arrlo> the sooner you realise sir-nick is a s*** eating destructive and manipulative racist

22:49 <@Frerk> UKRP will be ATO'd successfully

22:50 < Thedark> he's a c*** anyway


So there you go. Offer a helping hand to UKRP; TUP use their governmental power to ban you, insult you, and declare you a national threat. Well done Mr Talon.

 

Kommentare

Jimbojoy
Jimbojoy Tag 1,820, 15:47

da fuq. If 1% of this isn't fake, I'll poop on Diakun's chest.

Alfagrem
Alfagrem Tag 1,820, 15:52

You do have skills that UKRP are in desperate need of BUT you could of offered this as a party member rather then jumping straight into the party and going for the PP chair (not that any law prevents you).

Alfagrem
Alfagrem Tag 1,820, 15:57

However as I'm now PP of the UKPP due to your leaving (NB: PP's quitting means it still goes to highest exp. not any of the new assigned positions) it is disconcerting that my opposite number in TUP is planning to PTO my party.

Steps will be taken to stop them implementing their "Rule by divine right" philosophy in regards to our members.

Blue And Evil
Blue And Evil Tag 1,820, 15:57

If you intend to take over leadership of a party when the majority of the current members (ie those who wern't UKPP members 5 mintues earlier) that's a PTO.

And a PTO is the worst thing anyone can do in this game. Even if done with the best of intentions, it can completely change the community dynamic of a party - which is the most important thing in social groups on a social game like this.

[cont]

Blue And Evil
Blue And Evil Tag 1,820, 15:57

I've been in a party that was PTO'd. The community we'd built was destroyed as pillars of the community that had built that party went their seperate ways.

That party was the UKWP. Your own party, Nick.

And if you've dropped to that level, it's just sad.

Niemand
Niemand Tag 1,820, 15:59

Oh poor Sir Nick. Some do not like you. Maybe you best become PP of BNP?

Sir Nick Griffin
Sir Nick Griffin Tag 1,820, 16:02

UKWP had a community. It was PTO'd by the government and Bob Boblo's followers. Election Turnout was well over 110%, I think. That is their doing, not mine. I will not be importing voters and therefore it isn't a PTO. People who vote for me will be voting for a more active and involved UKRP.

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Tag 1,820, 16:08

I don't believe TUP will be attempting a take-over of UKPP. I was there for that conversation, and I must say, sir nick, it seems clear that all the UKRP members online at the time do not want your assistance. Perhaps you should have approached them before jumping in and looking like your trying to take over?

Under the circumstances you initiated, the reaction of the majority of parties, including representatives from TUP, UKRP and NE were negative, and understandably so.

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Tag 1,820, 16:11

TUP appears to be reacting in the moment in terms of their initial response. I do not believe that they are intending to take over UKPP. I think you have miscalculated the public reaction to your standing for UKRP presidency. Indeed, I think that, unless you import players to vote for you, you will not win this election. From the looks of it, I think the reaction of everyone there was justifiable. what you are doing looks like a PTO of this party...

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Tag 1,820, 16:13

...Did you even talk to the members of UKRP on whether they want your help or not? If other parties instantly assume that they have to counter your move, surely that indicates that, perhaps, your move has a negative view across the board?

I think you should step down your candidacy unless UKRP actually asks for you to stand.

Elvis Trout
Elvis Trout Tag 1,820, 16:29

All I can do is echo the sentiments provided (or forged) in your article.

Niemand
Niemand Tag 1,820, 16:33

Last time Sir Nick said "We're all backing Richard". We know the result. Now it is we're all backing UKRP?

Danie Fox
Danie Fox Tag 1,820, 16:33

"I figured it'd be nice of me to join UKRP, run for Party President and try to alleviate these problems seeing as my term for PP of UKPP is over"

That's a description of a PTO, isn't it? You don''t suggest helping them, just moving straight over and becoming PP this month - as UKPP PP it suggests you would do so by moving voters. Don't worry Alfa, there is 0% chance of anyone PTOing UKPP, we don't have the numbers or the inclination.

Alfagrem
Alfagrem Tag 1,820, 16:39

Also.......IRC logs (even real one's) are poor source material for assesment of character and intent.

Danie Fox
Danie Fox Tag 1,820, 16:48

26:66 < sir-nick> I am an evil PTOer who faked these logs

Lord Reincarnate
Lord Reincarnate Tag 1,820, 16:52

>no context
>pointless article

Lord Reincarnate
Lord Reincarnate Tag 1,820, 16:53

they are not fake logs btw, just utterly lacking context

Rory Winterbourne
Rory Winterbourne Tag 1,820, 17:02

22:41 <@Alice`> .kb sir-nick During the ATO to protect UKRP from you, your use of this channel as a platform to try and gain support is denied.

^ is almost as ridiculous as the PTO attempt.

Also, "Over the past few days I had been mulling over whether or not to join the UKRP (Reform Party) in order to renovate it as a good-will gesture" - is a bit of a lie - http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/8749/hehehehehe.png

*gets popcorn

Ayame Crocodile
Ayame Crocodile Tag 1,820, 17:24

This wasn't the way to go about helping Nick, Going from PP of one party to that parties clear recruitment rival (you are both centre right and fighting over the same members) and attempting to become their PP within a single day is not going to be viewed well. Maybe you have good intentions but that doesn't matter... you've shattered that through these rash and reasonably on the part of UKRP'ers worrying decision.

Ayame Crocodile
Ayame Crocodile Tag 1,820, 17:26

As for the way certain people acted on the #eUK channel it was entirely disproportionate as well as being an abuse of power which I did try my best to explain at the time.

However no one threatened to PTO UKPP, you got that from misunderstanding when someone said you PTO'ing the UKRP would be met with an ATO... or Anti Take Over. An ATO would mean supplying voters to another candidate for UKRP PP and NOT to try and take over UKPP.

ApronChef
ApronChef Tag 1,820, 17:36

I can confirm these aren't fake logs. x2

Yet motives behind them are highly exaggerated, and both sides of this 'argument' are guilty of causing problems.

If full logs aren't given, then anything given has zero value.

Lord Lewis Cromwell
Lord Lewis Cromwell Tag 1,820, 20:10

Spend months complaining about people pretending they have power, whine whenever someone tells you what to do

>

Pretend that you've got good intentions when you plan to PTO another party, tell them what to do and that you have power over them

>

Surprised people don't like you so much that you drive them crazy?

This article says volumes about you, Griffin.

Viridi
Viridi Tag 1,820, 20:49

I'm Viridi.

Thomas765
Thomas765 Tag 1,820, 21:08

On Rory's post: http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/8749/hehehehehe.png

You are twisted. PTOing friends?

I'll happily help UKRP defend their party.

Kain Propan
Kain Propan Tag 1,820, 21:12

Don't worry Nick. We'll do just fine in UKRP without your "help". So you are more than welcome to jump back to where you came from.

Lady Macbeth II
Lady Macbeth II Tag 1,821, 01:02

Did not think that you're still so powerful, Nick. Your appearance in any other party makes half of the members scared, and eUK channel becoming a show
May be, it's time to move to TUP?

Yes, kicked you off RN.. for misconduct..

Dan Moir
Dan Moir Tag 1,821, 01:32

Hahaha. The guy who names himself after the leader of the BNP blatently tries to takeover and destroy another party and expects everyone else to sit by and let him get away with it. As always Griffin, you bring shame on UKPP. TUP will help to defend UKRP from you.

It's a real shame for those trying to advance UKPP that your founder and several time PP continues to stoop so low.

TUP going down? Hard to believe!

Alfagrem
Alfagrem Tag 1,821, 02:26

Given that you (Dan Moir) screamed to PTO UKPP I hardly think that you are shining beacon of rectitude in this matter.

Why not have the good sense to shut up?

Your actions only fuel the fire and your hypocrisy only adds weight to any support Nick (or indeed other eUKers doing the same) receives.

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde Tag 1,821, 02:27

Lies, slander and negativity. What I've come to expect from nick.

At no point did I advocate PTOing UKPP as this suggests, how dare you suggest otherwise.

Thuggish behaviour from nick, nothing more.

Blue And Evil
Blue And Evil Tag 1,821, 02:59

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/8749/hehehehehe.png

So nick, I hear you truly have UKRP's best interests at heart,

Prince Andrei
Prince Andrei Tag 1,821, 03:53

Yes, they've been unrational and unfair. However, you can't just walk into a new party and expect to be offered PP. Spending time there and gaining people's trust is the way to do it

Jamie2721
Jamie2721 Tag 1,821, 04:53

First of all i'd like to welcome you to UKRP. He's not done anything wrong since joining and i think most of the bad stuff said here is grossly unfair

But my criticism is you said to me you don't want the eUK to come down to only having 2 parties left. But if you became PP, you would just run us the same way as you ran the UKPP (which the vast majority of us don't want)

Happy to have you here, but i don't think running for PP was a good idea

Danie Fox
Danie Fox Tag 1,821, 06:19

The logs have been manipulated to look bad, look at the times given next to the comments. Nick's running for control of your party immediately after leaving control of UKPP, there is no way to be more of a PTO than that.

Jamie2721
Jamie2721 Tag 1,821, 06:26

He could try and ask people from UKPP over to vote for him. That would be a PTO

Alfagrem
Alfagrem Tag 1,821, 06:37

But he's not and UKPP members have been reminded that such action would be contrary to party policy.

As for the whole "UKRP to become a UKPP clone" I wouldn't see that happening if Nick stays as despite the chanting from the other side he's not an ebil dictator and alot of the good you see in UKPP such as balloting, conferences and giving choice to the party membership has been driven by him.

Alfagrem
Alfagrem Tag 1,821, 06:38

Objectivly he'd be a massive asset to any bottom-up party, so from my point of view the sooner he's hounded back home to UKPP the better for us.

Continue......

Alphabethis
Alphabethis Tag 1,821, 06:48

hmmm, the REAL NICE people in action, I experienced that too.

Ayame Crocodile
Ayame Crocodile Tag 1,821, 08:00

Jamie, you yourself are part of this PTO attempt.

I've seen plenty of logs where you discuss it and that should Nick lose you'll be 'moving back to TUP for a month before the next PP election'.

Care to explain that statement?

And Nick: As for even contemplating PTO'ing the PCP, You clearly understand nothing of our Party and even less about diplomacy.

Jamie2721
Jamie2721 Tag 1,821, 09:13

Me?

If you care to show, i said if Nick PTO's (and i meant properly PTO) UKRP i would go back to TUP as it would make a joke of the party. I said if Nick WON that way, not if he lost

In fact, i'll be supporting Thedark Ace for PP again as i have done all along. I hope that you just mis read one of my posts

posidon303
posidon303 Tag 1,821, 09:21

Dear Mister President,

A PRESIDENT DOESN'T SWEAR AT MEMBERS OF HIS COUNTRY, HE TREATS THEM FAIRLY AND GIVES THEM A CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ayame Crocodile
Ayame Crocodile Tag 1,821, 09:30

Ah my apologise Jamie. I feel really bad now having read the log back but you were being decent and stating you would leave UKRP if nick won. Not if he lost.

I'm very sorry about that. And your words are pretty commendable in hindsight.

Jamie2721
Jamie2721 Tag 1,821, 09:33

It's fine Ayame

I knew it was most likely an honest mistake. I do stuff like that all the time

Frerk
Frerk Tag 1,821, 09:38

As glad as I am that you are willing to support our struggle to return UKRP to its former glory I would very much enjoy it if you would prove your willingness to help by becoming involved on the IRC and forums. We have had primaries and Thedarkace will be our candidate of choice.

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Tag 1,821, 09:49

Its ironic looking at the hypocrits up in arms over this...and yet they were the same one calling for New Era to be taken over. Funny...do as I say not as I do...seems to be the catchprase of the forum/IRC elite

Madacaion
Madacaion Tag 1,821, 10:41

If you would be so kind hugh as to actually read the whole topic in the forums before you go on about it...

Couple of points:

1) UKRP never supported a take over of NE...fact
2) Even TUP said that it would only be done in the most dire of circumstances - i.e. it was actually a PTO. As it wasnt they wouldn't support it and the topic was locked.

Madacaion
Madacaion Tag 1,821, 10:51

So - judging by your comment you either:

1) Think that PTO's are fair game and support them
2) Think that they are not right and so the "forum elite" should be punished for thinking about it...
3) You're just throwing things around cause you enjoy making a mess

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Tag 1,821, 12:08

Well if you would be so kind as to read my ealier post you will see i detest and kind of take over.

UKRP senior figures were calling for it...and still are. Now if one mans caomments can be used to judge the whole party (and it has been done by all parties recently) then why shouldnt that? These were senior UKRP figures and a former CP we are talking about...and read the thread...it was more than a playful suggestion.

 
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