About irish military junta, democracy and future
Fenoglioteam
Para mis lectores hispanohablantes: Esta vez no hay versión en castellano. No es más que un texto de política interna irlandesa y no me da tiempo a traducirla. De todos modos, dudo que a muchos les importe, pero si hay alguno, que pregunte y le hago un resumen
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For everyone else, well, when I got up today I didn´t thought about bothering you all with an article about politics, but here it is. Blame Don for making me write.
An irish song to start:
Military junta
Well, if you haven't done yet, you should read Sluagh´s last article. It´s the base of mine and really interesting if you want to know more about how Ireland is governed.
I don't want to start philosophising about freedom and things like that. I think that this isn't the correct way of ruling a country and I'm going to explain why. First of all, let´s see what´s the military junta.
Experienced players, funds the costs of the state, maintains stability… Sounds great, Am I wrong? Oh! “Has the ability to reject motions proposed by the Executive as they see fit as these proposals may appear counter-productive towards eIrelands route of prosperity” In other words, what people says when they elect a CP or a congress is just nothing. We (the dictator/ high members of the junta) decide what we want and Ireland obeys. Ofc, we are making Ireland great again. Or just controlling a country without responsibility against the people?
What people decides in eR? Just two things: Congress and Government. Sometimes we vote someone who ends disappointing us, but people has the power. If we don't want someone in charge of our country, we don't vote him and it´s done.
We don't have a Congress, but there´s something similar: the Dublin commune. Not bad, in my opinion. Having a place where people can explain their ideas is great, but there's a big problem: they are just ideas. If the dictator wants, they follow them, if not, just forget about changing something you think it can be better done.
And finally we have the executive (my favourite part of the article). “It is a level of Government in which players are granted the chance to learn more”. Yeah, you are CP. You have just completed the tutorial of irish erepublik. I have been speaking with Don tonight and he explained me that the idea was making the CP honorary, a way to say thanks to players who have worked for eIreland.
Am I the only one who sees a tyranny here?
I understand that some CPs in the past have stolen, but well, it´s “normal”. Everywhere there is people who seems to be truthful and in the end defraud us. But, in my opinion, we can only do one thing about them: take care when we vote. Never vote someone because you like his name or avatar (yes, I have heard that), or because someone has told you to do that. Investigate and vote those who you trust, those who you think that will do a good work, those to whom you could lend your money without being afraid about losing it.
My solution
Well, I think I have been enough destructive till now. It's time to start with my solutions.
First of them: Democracy. Go back to the old system. Full parliamentary, with a government elected by the people and limited but a real Congress. Funny and interesting, at least in my opinion. But well, a bit risky against MTO, no? (I'm not gonna speak about that 1kk cc for the return. It is as easy as giving dictatorship to a multi and then saying Plato that it is a multi. Some countries have done that before).
And then, we have my favourite option: constitutional dictatorship. We have dictator, yes, but a dictator elected by the citizens: Our CP. And we also have a real parliamentary system. We can create monthly masspms with every (no 30. EVERY) irish citizens and decide there. No just give ideas, vote them and force our CP. The CP should be the executor of people decisions, not a tyrant who forces his decisions to the citizens.
It´s not an easy option but it is the most interesting one. And creates real activity. Some time ago we had this in eParaguay and it worked great. Every player felt part of the community since they see that with their vote, can make things happen. Is this real in eIreland nowadays? No unless you are part of the junta.
Honestly, I´m not gonna spend my elife under a military junta. People wants fun. We want, we need, real activity. Trust me, there will be problems, but we will be able to solve them all together. We are enough stubborn to make this work.
I´m Fenoglioteam. I have always been a politician and I´m proud about that. Please, stop before starting throwing stones.
Monty phytons forever.
We, the politicians, together can do more than tanks. I have seen politicians getting milions for COs just with their words. I have seen politicians creating alliances that people thought that were impossible.
Ireland, there are more things than medals and strength in eRepublik (hi Duhr. If you read this, comment and you will receive a gift
😛). Try and see how, together, we can improve eIreland. You won´t regret.
About irish military junta, democracy and future
https://www.erepublik.com/es/article/2620014/1/20
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Comments
Love the article.
This is the way to express your own opinion, the opposition in Ireland (WHS especially) can learn a lot from this article. Discussing the problem, then giving the constructive ideas how to fix it.
I agree with a huge part of the article as well.
Dictatorship in Ireland has been working great until some point, then the country went a lil' bit too inactive for my taste. We need people to give ideas, to propose, to vote, that's what Dublin Communes has been used for and it suppose to work great. We planned to expand the discussions and National summit on the Discord too.
Ireland will have some important things to discuss:
1) System of the Government we should have
2) System of funding the Government without private contributors
3) Our foreign politics and the ways we wanna go to
4) Our general goals considering the population.
People of Ireland needs to make some choices and it's fully up to everyone here to decide. I'll keep my opinion for myself...for now.
VOTE
"Am I the only one who sees a tyranny here?" nope
Your preferred solution was what we had before Moo funded his treacherous band of ne'er–do–wells who deposed the ELECTED dictator and installed an un-elected dictator who have ruled like a bunch of thugs since.
Good to see someone who supported this, Don, change his mind but look at the damage and carnage that has happened since.
If you think some phoney discussion like all the others you have, when the decision you want to make is decided prior to it and then implemented afterwards, will fix this Sh*5Fest is delusional.
You want buy in then prove it by restoring the elected dictator, Nogin NOW, and then we can have our version of Truth & Reconciliation.
Do that and I will "Buy Into" the process of restoration of Democracy here. Hold on the the Power and we all will know this is just another window dressing exercise.
I'd support it again. Didn't changed my mind.
Dictatorship in Ireland has brought many good things, probably did more good than harm, but we got into this inactive phase. I'm not sure if it's dictatorship to be blamed for it, or just the general lack of interest for the game, but we need to do something about it.
Also, I was pretty much neutral when it came to Sluagh vs Nogin debate.
You fought to dispose her...'nuff said
So to move forward... Will the dictatorship be restored to the Elected dictator
Just to get things straight....
1) Nogin was the elected Dictator, I supported her.
2) Sluagh ran the CP elections on the platform (open and public): "If you elect me I'm gonna act as a Dictator" and he won by big majority of votes.
This haven't been covered with the Contitution. We had actually two elected Dictators, one through the game mechanics (Sluagh) with plenty of votes and the other one (Nogin) with ~15 total votes casted.
That's the reason I was neutral about it, both had the right to claim it.
I never fought in that battle, nor I gave any orders to the Irish Army there.
Ok you seem to have a little memory problem there.
Yes Sluagh ran on that platform (illegal as it violated the constitution) and won the election but did not get this "big majority of votes" you said he got. He got 2 votes more than Rikian and only 42.71% of the vote.
But even if he did get this mandate you claim, what he should of done to get what he wanted was propose changes to the constitution to effect this...he didn't he used military might.
https://www.erepublik.com/en/main/presidential-elections/54/1459839600
As far as the number of people in the Dublin commune goes, messages are capped at 30, that's why that's the number of people in the message thread.
We can have more than one masspms. Iirc in eParaguay when I was dictator we had one for every div (or maybe 2 for d1) with the cp/di, MoD and vCP in all of them to have communication between them
we used two run 2 threads for Congress, but it didn't work very well at all so we restricted the Dublin Commune to a single thread.
Move Dublin Communes to Discord = problem solved.
"If you think some phoney discussion like all the others you have, when the decision you want to make is decided prior to it and then implemented afterwards, will fix this Sh*5Fest is delusional."
hold another referendum if you want, but I like the Junta
junta is just a word winston created. we had dictatorship before "junta" and we continued with it afterwards. if you get finicky about details there was never a true congress in this game. sure you could debate laws in articles but you can still do it whether your in congress or not. the game mechanics was always added onto like there was always a 24 hour notice period before a congress member could actually raise an proposal.,else it was termed a rogue proposal. dictatorship allows us to split power which allow us to protect ourselves against would be thieves. finally winston bended and cheated the rules to his liking. nogin never actually legally was supposed to be able to run for dictatorship.
they who want a return to their rules and chosen dictatorship was as corrupt as can be,
He didn't create the word. LOLOLOLOLOL
Well, the problem isn't "You can't debate laws". Of course you can debate laws and everything you want while Plato doesn't give power to Dictator to remove other players' newspapers (trololololo)
The real problem is that there is no warranty of every irish citizen having enough weight in decision-making processes because Dictator have unlimited power, not really controlled by a elected congress or elected members of the irish society.
Protective dictatorship have been working in most part of eCountries... But of course this countries doesn't work as real Dictatorships. Dictatorship should be just a weapon of protection against our foes but nothing else.
you forget that here in this green isle we have the worst of all worlds. a local stooge backed by foreign powers and local patsies. And utterly intent on keeping all power to themselves.
Man up whs 😉
if the dublin commune discusses a law /project and the cabinet weighs in and both vote it and sluagh/cp implements it. how is that different from a normal democracy.
a programmer makes of a class what he wants it to be. we made of the political system what we want it to be. so rather think with an a open head about this noah. whatever your own implementation game mechanics says the rule of the country belongs to the dictator as well as its treasury. that pretty much is a powerful position I dont think we should water down and hand out to any Tom Dick and Winston. You might wake up one morning in a stripped country. people get tired of rebuilding what those that only play for the lulz break down.
There are people in eIreland who've given years worth of service to this nation, put eIreland on the map diplomatically and militarily. These people are the ones whose names are known across the eWorld by different governments. I am one of these people. At one point of time I had served 20 months in a row as a Minister of Defence/Foreign Affairs and as CP. I give this country everything I can and nobody can deny that I have put the hours in to build this country into something better.
My terms of Governments have been good, never once did they fail to suffice. However after a period of time a faction always emerges who are "anti-establishment" and want a change of government as our period of tenure is too long. They target the governments who've built up the nation and want to dismantle the system as it's not an ideal pixelated utopia for them. This mantra is popular amongst the average two-clicker who buy into political slur. The effective government is removed and the "politicians" take charge. The country stalls and becomes weak.
This is what I oppose.
I do favour a democracy but I don't want one where the winner isn't a true nationalist. The country needs to be put first. The current Dictatorship does that. Our normal opposition didn't.
I want the best for our country, if there is capable opposition, I welcome a democracy. But until then I personally will favour a dictatorship that places Ireland before everything else.
It's a horrible idea. eIreland isn't big enough to make bad decisions that could end with a MTO.