[Govt of eBelgium] On eBe Raw - Investigation
eBelgian Presidency
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[Govt of eBelgium] On eBe Raw - Investigation
Dear citizens of eBelgium,
eBE Raw is a national organization of eBelgium, and have two raws companies abroad, exporting cheap raws in eBelgium (when the companies are open).
A donation of 100 gold from our national bank to this organization have been voted some months ago, but in November, aVegan made us notice on the forum that there was some missing gold...
On november 4th, aVegan posted :
"It also seems their is much LESS gold in the org than when I left it last month. Where did that gold go?"
On november 5th, he added :
"All I know is when I left eBe Raw had more than 100 gold."
That was indeed very strange, because no donations with larger amounts then 3 gold have been made from/to eBe Raw...
Later, on November 5th again, aVegan posted this message :
"Wouldn't it be interesting to know where the 50+ gold went to? Is it stolen, used for something else or just hidden on the MM?
On thing is for sure when I left eBe Raw and the new minister took it over it contained MORE than 100 gold.
Maybe the person who is responsible for eBe Raw could give some explanation? I don't think that is asking to much. Everyone is shouting murder and fire because the BCP didn't donate to the NBB but when more than double of that gold is missing in a state company nobody seems to care."
Two weeks later, aVegan posted an other message, still in the Congress Area of our forum :
"We are almost 2 weeks later and still no explanation.
Has anyone done anything with eBe Raw the last month(s)?
And more importantly where is the gold?"
Even if I wasn't President when the gold disapeared, i had no choice to start some investigation about this issue, as asked by aVegan, and many others citizens.
On november 17th, I declared :
"The government is on it... I ask transparency on this case !"
The first thing i did was to send a message to my Minister of Finances, Boklevski, who was also the manager of eBe Raw for the last two months, and the answer i get was quite surprising.
He told me that there wasn't much research required on the missing GOL😨
someone took it, using the monetary market, before he changed the pass when installed as MoF on his first mandate. He noticed the alert as he was online at that moment, looking into the amount of assets we had. He immediately changed the pass and informed CP MaryamQ and Secretary Velitia of the situation. No money has gone 'missing' after changing the passwords of all financial organizations.
The day it happened was October 10th, and as Boklevski told me, MaryamQ received a pm to announce her that either someone has made a very unfortunate monetary market offer, or someone have used the MM to transfer GOLD to a private account.
"We inform you that 50 GOLD have been sold for 5 NLG from the company account using the offer posted on the monetary market."
On the same date, both Boklevski and MaryamQ have sent a ticket to the admins, to ask them to investigate on this case. But both of them didn't get any answers.
So the first conclusion was that eBe Raw wasn't hacked, but that someone who had access have used it for personnal gain.
Who had the access to this organization ?
Boklevski, Velitia, MaryamQ, and aVegan.
Even if i became suspicious, i had no real proofs.
That's why i contacted personnaly the admins, in order to get a fast answer to solve this issue, as i promised to do. And... it works, admins gave me a fast answer.
I learned the name of the buyer of this offer.
The buyer of this offer was : Certified Food Vegan.
This company belong to the organization Certified Vegan, who belongs to aVegan.
:/
I decided to contact aVegan, and to met him on IRC, and i told him that i knew the real story, and offered him the chance to donate back the 50 missing gold, in exchange of keeping this issue a government secret (no public debates, only no governmental job for 6 months). But he told me that it wasn't true, that there was a mistake somewhere. And finally he told me that he bought Certifed Vegan Food on the company market only one month ago or so (i didnt remember him that the monetary market offer have been bought the 10th ocotober, and that the previous owner had to have the pass of eBe raw to set up the offer). As he told he wasn't guilty, we talked a bit, and we decided to talk "theorically", and i decided to start a thread on the forum to announce that i will put a new monetary offer of 1 bef = 50 gold on the market with eBe Raw, to give a last chance to the thief to donate back the money. aVegan told me he will send a message to the previous owner of the company, to tell him that. This way, the "thief" could donate us back the 50 gold, and this anonymously. I added that this offer was valid for only 2 days.
My announcement about it can be find here, and was posted the 1st December.
Two days later, i'm glad to announce you that :
1 BEF have been sold for 50 GOLD from the citizen account using the offer posted on the monetary market !!!
The issue is now closed for me, as the 50 missing gold have been donated back to eBe Raw and as i did investigate on this issue as promised.
Everyone can know draw his own conclusions on this issue, but everyone should be happy that we recover the missing gold...
L’Union fait la force ! Eendracht maakt macht ! Einigkeit macht stark !
For the he Goverment of eBelgium,
ThomasRed
President of eBelgium
Comments
I am outraged!!!
And am filling an official complained with the admin. These false accusations just before elections day are just to crazy for words!
There is no accusation at the end of this article, it's only the result of the investigations...
As said before, everyone can draw his own conclusions.
Great work Thomas!
Unbelievable!
These are completely illegal accusations. This is not a valid legal investigation but the fiction of one person who wishes to win a CP election and is scared of the other candidate.
Every time again ThomasRED you prove that you have ZERO respect for democracy, seperation of power or trust and honesty.
Propaganda is your way and dishonesty your trade.
There's nothing illigal about this but I do think that it could've been done in a better way. The fact that it does clearly incriminate TRs main rival so close to the election is also quite suspicious and does make the findings slightly less believeable.
Is this true? wow feeling sick all of sudden.
Still it's hard to believe.
I'm shocked and really don't know what to write.
I never said bad word about Vegan,
but now I'm faster to belive in this, than belive Vegan.
I don't know, do Vegan really done this, but I can belive in this story. Maybe I change my mind, but for now it's my opinion.
If you want to follow the debate, and read some explanations given by the protagonists, follow this link :
http://ebelgium.forumotion.net/public-announcements-annonces-publiques-openbare-aankondigingen-f7/on-ebe-raw-result-of-investigation-t1753.htm
ThomasRed you really are a master in SLANDER.
But I do hope that this time you won't get away with it.
Does something in the article is wrong ?
Does something in my reply here are wrong ?
I was as shocked as everybody when i learned the name of the buyer of the offer...
It's hard to swallow because i had trusted aVegan for a while, that he is always the first one to care about our citizens, and to ask for transparancy and solidarity...
The timing of the article can be bad, with the next presidential elections, but i can't stay blind.
If you read all aVegan's answer, he said that i'm part of the story... I replied that i didnt get the pass, what was his reaction ? Does his defence his credible ? He knows who is guilty, but he can't say it, but he asked me to investigate ?
Only 4 people can be guilty : Boklevski, MaryamQ, Velitia, aVegan.
And with my investigation, i bring to you some facts that help to resolve this case. It was what you asked me to do...
Yes a lot in your article is wrong. It is an altered twisted version of what really happened (at least when it comes to our talk).
That you had a pass you told me during our IRC talk (did you set all of this up from the start?). Was everything what you said bullshit?
Btw at the 10 of oct I wasn't minister and did not have access to the state companies.
I should have known that you where to friendly and telling me to many "secrets". Was anything true? Are you testing if I will tell it to others? I really don't understand
I just can't get over it...
Can you show us a screenshot of what the admins said?
It would prevent a long ongoing discussion and hatred between several parties
Agree with Glenn Wauters
It's in the article, i received the id offer of the monetary market transaction, and the name of the buyer, "Certified Vegan Food".
And aVegan don't say that this is true, he say that he bought the company one month ago or so.
I believe I can set at least some of this to rest, since this happened as of 10 October, during my administration. At that time, the passes had not been changed from the previous administration. As far as I am aware, the only people who had these were Theneka (who was overlooked in the above statement), A Vegan, Boklevski, Velitia and myself. These passes were shared on a need to know basis, and ThomasRed did not have access. The facts reported about the discovery, changing the passes, and tickets to the administration are correct and can be verified by Boklevski and Velitia. The rest must speak for itself.
I confirm the message of MaryamQ and the facts as described by ThomasRED. I'd also like to thank Thomas for his work in this, because it wouldn't have been solved without him.
I also want to emphasize that the one who took the money has returned the funds through an anonimous MM offer put on the market. I'm glad he or she has seen the mistaken made, and although it can't be justified in the first place, at least tried to undo it.
I don't think there's must more need for pointing fingers. Let's just hope this won't happen again. ( Or at least let it be a warning not to let it happen again, because Thomas will solve the puzzle again 😛 )
I would like this article to be removed.
A lot of damage already done, but agree++ with Xgentis Lempereur.
otherwise, name names instead of pointing at smoking guns and saying 'you decide'
This really makes me sad.
I wont point fingers I wont chose sides. I just want to say: this needed to be dealt with and it has been done. The matter is resolved and I'm inclined to agree with Thomas Keesman and Xgentis ==> remove the article it is not doing any good.
The ways this matter was "resolve" is also anticonstitutional.The congressman who ordered the investigation was A Vegan. Why would he do this if he is the thief?
or otherwise sai😛 why would he remember the amount of gold in eBE raw a month after he closed the company doors? and why did he suddenly check the amount of gold in eBe raw?
and the way it is resolved is not unconstitutional, the way it is communicated to the outside world pay be unconstitutional.
Boycot aVegan!!!
I would think it isn't hard to remember some details about an organization that you worked for hours a day for a month.
And I also do not think it is strange that you check on an organization that you created and did so much for. When I was MoS this organization was checked daily by multiple citizens. Or did they also have something to hide.
This is pure slander. Nothing more and nothing less.
Let me add something...
The timing was indeed not perfect.
But i didn't decided that the investigation will lead to aVegan, and moreover, i didnt knew that aVegan will run for Presidence when i made a proposal to the thief.
If the investigation would have lead to Splashdog, would have you react on the same way ?
I don't think so, and it's not really fair.
Will you have believe the article more faster ?
It's up to you to think about it.
I didn't choose aVegan as the perfect guilty. I didn't choose that he would have run for Presidence.
Some agrees with the article, and the facts, but don't like the way the communication have been done.
And i apologize to it, sincerely...
At first, we didn't choose to make it public, as the gold was donated back.
But we didnt expect aVegan will run for Presidency.
And it changed a lot for us, as government.
Some told me : you shoud have kept it secret.
And what if aVegan is elected ? or become President after my possible impeachment ?
Let's talk "theorical", and imagine in one month and 3 days, we discover that 200 gold are missing in the NBB-BNB.
And then i would have say that i knew that aVegan was connected to the robbery of the 50 gold of eBe Raw few months before.
What would have been your reactions ?
"f*** ?", or maybe you would have congratule me too to have kept it secret.
But we took a decision, as government, to reveal it. It is a question of national security threat.
And it's our job to protect the belgians citizens.
Again, i'm sorry, and sad, that the investigation lead to aVegan.
Multiple people have asked you to remove this slander. One of them being our highest justice organ (admin of national forum).
Traditionally you only do what you want. Good luck with your propaganda and dictator ideas. I hope one day eBelgium will become a real democracy. And clearly this will only be possible if you step down.
Good luck eBelgium. I have done my best...
This situation is a very unpretty one, but I'm too tired to comment elaborately. But whatever the true story behind this case may be, I'd suggest everyone (even those not involved, but those involved especially) takes a silent moment off to have an open talk with his or her conscience. It can be very purifying sometimes
this whole article and "investigation" fails to fit the basics of criminal procedure or whatever procedure.
You have offered no real proof about anyone being a "thief". Stating that you've heard, seen or whatever who bought the offer makes no real or valid proof. If you saw something, that doesn't mean also everybody else did see it, no matter if you're telling the truth or not.
There was a case in some other country (I will refrain to use names) and the CP got the proves and posted them officially. Why did you fail to do that I don't know but there must be some reason behind that, perhaps even that one that there was one day before the CP elections??
I may not agree always with Xgentis Lempereur and several times think he acts and writes posts in an attacking way, but here I'd like to publically express my admiration to him for posting the most sane post of all participants.
i am the man who stole the gold from eBE raw's!!! It's a long story how i did it but blame me i did it! (i'm bloody serious about this)