Enough is Enough.
AMD.
Good Afternoon Friends.
I write this somber article today as I have finally had enough.
Enough of the harassment and nastiness from Sir Humprehy Appleby, and the divisiveness that he is trying to embed in eUK society.
Many of you will no doubt be aware of the controversy in the press the last few days. A common theme I have seen amongst the people who STILL continue to support Appleby is they haven't seen enough of the abuse.
Well, I see no reason not to set the record straight and let you all be your own judge as to whether you think his conduct has been acceptable.
Here we are.
I present in its entirety, the contents of the congress thread where Appleby loses all manner of common decency, as well as the Logs from the Spamican Discord, our telegram chat, and private messages between myself and Appleby.
I have compiled it in this album.
To place it all here would be an unreadable mass of photos.
I will however, be highlighting the worst of it in this article, and an explanation of any necessary context.
So it started when I posted a message from the WARM alliance leader, inviting us to join, into congress. Appleby had an immediate go at me and then told me to download Telegram. I informed him that I never uninstalled it, unless they have a separate government telegram I am not in they have not messaged in it since September.
I apologised to him, multiple times, for not going to Cabinet first - but I insist that I believe congress should have been told. Since then, other Foreign Affairs decisions and questions have gone straight to congress before going to cabinet first, the declined Russian Training War for example. I hope Huey did not receive the same level of abuse and opposition from Appleby here as I did.
Decide for yourself if you think that this is a reasonable or proportional reaction. I do not believe I said anything untoward here, indeed, asking for a moment to catch up on the thread about Bank of England payments. I was trying to be constructive.
He then seems to lose track of the conversation himself and changes the topic yet again, attempting to intimidate me into apologising for about a sixth time for the same thing. Note the time stamps, it's 1 in the morning.
It is important again to note that he tries to do the "Lmao it was a joke" defense - this doesn't work, especially when there is no apology.
After these events I spoke to Huey, who admitted that Appleby has acted this way before, and it was just something we had to put up with (should it be?). He said he would talk to Appleby, monitor his behaviour and ensure he doesn't do it again.
The above events all took place on the 30th April. After this I resolved to not have any further communication with Appleby, agreed with Huey, that all my responses would go via Huey and not directly to Appleby, lest I get unwarranted abuse again, because why should anyone have to engage with that?
On the 18th May, Appleby then came into the Spamican Discord channel, looking immediately for a "boss fight"
He asked me multiple times what I was going to do as Country President. I told him that he should read previous manifestos, and then wait for June's manifesto as we were not going to reveal our plans to someone outwardly hostile to us.
I include this one as he accuses us of "Us vs them" comments, whilst being guilty of it himself.
Also note the insults to Keithunder and Certacito at the bottom.
It was after this point where MIK sent quite a polite message to Appleby, and then received the first example of homophobia from Appleby.
There is no context for this other than subtext. Appleby knows exactly what he was doing here. No remorse, no explanation, just pure spite.
After Woldy banned him from the Discord (presumably he could see it was ill-intentioned pestering), he then took it to my private messages, which are quite frankly unhinged.
Stay Classy
This was followed by more homophobic language as well as his new catchphrase.
He then took the cycle of abuse into the Congress thread. Disappointingly people accused TRS members of spamming and being divisive, but the full logs start in my album posted at the top, at IMG_9043. Judge for yourselves, there is only one person Spamming and being abusive. As Mr Woldy pointed out in his article, over 100 messages were posted by Appleby between midnight thursday and friday afternoon.
Openly reveling in taunting Congress.
I would also like to highlight at this point, Huey himself has assured us he will monitor Appleby's behaviour, and asked him to stop. Appleby did not stop..
Sambo tried to debate Appleby's proposal, with some genuine questions about the wording and functioning, which Appleby ignored, mocked, and outright spammed out of existence.
Appleby then created a new cabinet discussion, and tried to pretend like nothing had happened.
He apologised, For using the congress thread. He has yet to apologise to me, or any other member of TRS who he attempted to harass. To the people who have endured this pattern of behaviour, it did not feel like a sincere apology at all, instead one of necessity and an attempt at saving face.
For those of you who have read this far, the important part.
Huey has allowed this to continue, and once again resigns to "monitoring his behaviour and supporting him".
This is not the sort of behaviour that should be supported or endorsed.
I have not had many problems with Huey's premiership until now.
This is a very weak decision, which Huey is now trying to leave to Congress in the form of the petition that is going around.
It absolves Huey of responsibility, of making a difficult decision.
This decision should not be a difficult one. It is repetitive abusive behaviour that has taken place without remorse and without regret. His defense is "lol I was joking", with no apology.
The fact the man was not immediately removed from his post is an atrocity Huey.
I know better than to sit around taking abuse from people on the internet so consider this my notice as stepping down from Cabinet. I’m not going to support a government that will endorse this behaviour regardless of its cost to the eUK’s community.
This has gone unchallenged for too long, despite multiple calls across the month for more to be done. No one who fails to act when multiple members of the community are being targeted can call themselves a leader. This administration prides itself on maintaining an inclusive and united community, a task which it is failing to do.
Thank you for your time,
I know there will be comments on this defending Appleby’s behaviour, but the past few days has shown that many more people will speak out to condemn it. I’ve had more support than criticism, from people who are genuinely invested in this community, across party lines.
As for the famous MoFA article, all I was asked to do, after asking to get involved, is write a guide to Training War etiquette, which has already been previously published. So don't worry, I will get that done, but as a private citizen and not a shill of this current administration.
Comments
Goes to show Appleby isn’t a one trick pony, and will pick on anyone Keith and CC included he thinks he’s better than. I cannot understand how Huey allows this in his cabinet.
Goes to show it’s not just partisan as well. It’s personal attacks on individuals
Judging by the amount of material you've put together here, AMD, you obviously feel extremely strongly about all this, and, on the face of it, I don't blame you.
My problem is this: since a substantial amount of the "discussion" took place in Discord or Telegram exchanges, how can I be sure that I'm getting a completely objective account of things? I'm not suggesting you're biasing the account in your favour, but it is hard for an outsider to get a completely clear picture of all the abusive exchanges without reading all of the sources.
You will probably say something like "well, if you want the whole story, read the whole story on the link I've provided" - or something to that effect.
Well, I don't have the time to do that, AMD. So I'm forced to have to defer the decision to the top man Huey, and hope his decision is a good one.
o7
So your comment boils down to, I want to read the whole source. I know the whole source is there but I’m not going to read it?
You can accuse me of creating a narrative all I want, but the fact of the matter is, I have posted the entire context in that link provided.
The discord one is right at the top and probably the least amount of screenshots.
Nothing I have posted here is without context.
The fact is, Huey is not making the decision. He’s hoping it quietly goes away and once suggest by the goram in congress he is now letting them make the decision for him.
Believe me, I'm not accusing you of anything, AMD. My opening remark was to the effect that I don't blame you.
It's true. A decision is needed, and in my view it has to be Huey that makes it.
Thank you for at least maintaining an open mind. Just for any benefit of doubt, the whole album exists, with full undoctored screenshots.
Huey has already made the decision then fobbed it off on congress to do. It boils down to I no longer feel he is capable of making that decision, so my confidence in the government is gone.
Respectively JRCS if I answered this with a two word expletive you would consider it unnecessary and rightfully report it. I would be wrong to respond that way.
If a "two word expletive" was your reaction, Woldy, then I see no reason why you shouldn't speak your mind. 😊 I'm a big boy now, and wouldn't feel bound to report it to the teacher. 😁
I'd still maintain that if someone is ranting as demonstrated above they should probably just log off 😛
You aren't forced to have to defer to anyone, you choose to do so because it is convenient.
No one is perfect everyone makes mistakes even good people. This is Huey's greatest mistake to date he has allowed this to all be made public, caused great division and hurt in the community, left AMD with no other option all because he chose not to act.
JRCS do you think what SHA said about Keithunder, AMD, myself and many others is right?
@Immanuael Kant - No. I certainly don't think what was said is right. I think I made that clear.
I'm stupefied. I thought Congress was one thing but seeing that it is persistent and endless BS I am amazed that you hung around as long as you did and that nothing has been done up top. This isn't the eUK I know.
What baffles me is the amount of wanting to preserve the unity and good nature in the community, and then creating division
Christ, bit long winded.
I cannot believe people still arguing @ 01:30! I almost fell asleep reading that lot.
will vote it up and see what the consensus is.
V + c
Ikr haha. I’m basically nocturnal at this point due to my work schedule so that’s like 5pm for me!
Thank you for keeping an open mind
Why is this article so long? Because SHA's comments have been relentless. His comments to and about AMD, Keithunder and TRS are really shocking.
Its very sad that this all needed to be made public because Huey has not acted.
Unfortunate that it came to this but you've done the right thing bro o7
Just seen Huey's article, but I am still baffled as to why SHA was not just sacked immediately. It's not exactly a partisan stance to find that behaviour unacceptable.
But AMD the most important question hasnt been answered - wheres the freaking article man ? 🙂
You know what dougal, for you mate I’ll write two
Thank you for publishing the evidence. I have a huge amount of respect for Huey. He has done a fantastic job of running the country for so long. But this is a severe own goal, and totally avoidable.
Disappointingly, I cannot understand why people continue to defend such behaviour, or prefer to outsource their morality to others to make the decision for them, whilst pretending everything is fine because the "right decision" was arrived at in the end. It's all well and good to say they can't be arsed reading the thread, but if you can't do the homework then you have no right having any sort of opinion on the matter, and it should be disregarded.
Seems to be limited to the TRS hive mind
BTW AMD I apprecectae the full disclosure.
IMO the above discussion is mild compared to the things wayne kerr and sirshitalot have said in the past.
It still feels like your trying to get as much milage from all this drama to maybe benefit your self in the next elections,
"Also note the insults to Keithunder and Certacito at the bottom."
im not sure how "old guard CC" is an insult ?
other members have said far far worse to keith before, and Keith doesnt know this but I have sent private PMs to other players of this game previously to tell them they have gone too far regarding comments made about him.
I maybe wrong but I feel that people say stupid things in the heat of the moment or when drunk, and he did apologise, im not saying your wrong to feel attacked, just that I guess I dont get as easily offended as you do or that there are bigger issues in the world to get annoyed over
You know what dougal I appreciate the measured response. And I too think it’s disgraceful some of the comments against Keith I’ve seen floating around too. The one about CC, fair enough I think I grouped it in with the Keith comment.
Had it been the one incident I probably would have let it slide, and in fact did for a few weeks. The fact is whilst it may not be heavy in volume some of it, it’s the quantity and volume that cinches it for me. And the messaging offensive slurs to my friends too is where I draw the line. Me isolated, I take a bit of a better stance on it.
Regardless of what happens politically, I still believe no one should have to log into a game and receiv a flurry of abuse. It just reached a point for me where it was worth showing you guys exactly what had been said.
Thank you for the cordial and well measured response o7
I overlooked the fact it had been going on for weeks, in most games the answer is to block and move on - I guess this game is kinda different when you 2 need to communcate with each other
I appreciate the acknowledgement. Now that is a route I can pursue! It has been difficult having both been in cabinet however
especially when one of us is doing all the others work!
But I would take only one issue with your comment, he didn’t apologise. He apologised for saying it in the Congress thread which I don’t see or accept as an apology.
I agree he should have apologiesed to you privatly then he could have clarified what he feels he is apologsing for and you could have found some middle ground or a agree to disagree kinda deal
Your first point is an interesting one Dougal because you are right. If you do compare this to how Wayne and especially Serfartsalot used to behave, it does pale a bit (although that doesn't excuse SHA at all). The whole Appleby affair has reminded me a lot of events circa 2014-16, and I have been wondering how we are to square the responses we made as a community then with the responses we are making now.
Not sure I can answer it fully, but RL values and expectations about what behaviour is acceptable online have clearly changed greatly since then. Although I am certain that some people did condemn the way SerF, Wayne, and others used to behave at the time, I am aware that they unfortunately did not suffer the same repercussions that Appleby is facing. The response of the community to SHA now, though, does give me hope that the vast majority of eUKers have adjusted their behaviours to modern standards and would utterly reject a would-be serfartsalot now.
It is good (and expected) that we no longer accept harassment and abusive behaviours in this community, but I do still hope that this whole debacle will give us cause to reflect more generally upon how we treat one another and what we deem acceptable in the eUK.
My 2 cents thoughts about this article
1 Somebody making a fuss about nothing
2 Publishing gov and congress chats makes the publisher unselectable for a gov or congress office, at least this way it`s being handled in most of the e-countries.
Congress chats can be requested by any citizen to the speaker as he keeps a record in the eHansard. Congress members agree to this at the start of each term. So it’s all public record anyway.
The discord was a public channel in the spamican discord.
The government chats, fair enough. But I feel like he’s more in the wrong than I on this matter.
'Congress members agree to this at the start of each term. So it’s all public record anyway.'
Since when ? Not part of previous month guidelines, not part of this month guideline. Am I missing something ?
Can't recall if it was Captain Chazbeard or Wookio who for a while used to leak sections of Congress chats in the name of satire. And there have been various times when government and people have published articles with various screenshot of Congress in the name of government transparency ("hey look - we debate things in congress - vote for us we're active"). I'm sure if you really, really want you, you could probably find occasions that all main parties might have used Congress screenshot for politics.
And when people's behaviour is called to account, those who support the accused will moan about leaks etc and those who don't call it a triumph for transparency (even though it usually does feck all to voting patterns). I'm sure those who are defending SHA would be highly critical of AMD if the roles were reversed and blaming it on Spamicans bullying. I'm sure those who are defending SHA by a lack of condemnation would be a lot more vocal if he was having a spat with Ajay (I'm sure Keith would be one of the most vocal). And I am sure the Spamicans would either defend AMD or be silent if it was him attacking SHA.
If I bullied or abused SHA Over multiple weeks and used horrendous language against him, I hope my colleagues in TRS would call it out
I, for one, am desperate for a chance to tear AMD down a peg.
Moi? Leak congress logs? Bar the past few months I've never tried to let newbies in on the secrets of just how little was debated in mongress!
The thing's that were said in congress were a disgrace, the fact that this has been going on for so long is awful and I am surprised you have lasted as long as you did.
I have so much respect for Huey and what he has done for the country but he has really let thing's go by not taking a stance a lot sooner.
Vote AMD in the next CP elections, the end is near!
On a more topic-related note, if all others would have stopped messaging/replying to SHA this whole thing would have never escalated to this point. Should I only blame SHA ? Nope.. I see 2 sides fighting with 2 different strategies - I blame both sides.
p.s. Please start playing the game! If you have insecure feelings, please use the Log out option - it helps alot.
If you read the Congress discussion, people were trying to debate a proposal 💁
I was there when it started.. there was no background to your dispute with SHA, but it seemed you enjoyed answering back. A few moments later the TRS horde joined the fight and both sides carried on for hours. As per my first message here, why should we blame only one side of the story?
Don’t have to blame one side of the story. What I’m asking you to read is that one side has been abusive, and the other has attempted to be constructive.
How can you be constructive if you don't do any work...?
I don't like to use the words 'abuse' and 'victim' in a game where you are playing a fictional character. The game offers you a few options to stop a player of being toxic and it's up to each individual how it 'creates' its own character and the level of personal involvement has. For me it seemed to be a banter between 2 players.
Regarding the argument between the participants to the discussion, I see the same involvement on both sides : an endless discussion where each side tries to win a psychological war.
Well max, whilst you may have perceived it as banter between 2 people, I think I’ve laid out here that it clearly was not the case.
And you can say it’s between two fictional characters, but when they transcends this game to other social media platforms, then it’s definitely crossing the line.
I do agree with you on this matter, only if everything gets to a personal level as to a real life threat on a social media (Facebook, Twittweer, Instagram,etc.).
Having an outside chat like Telegram/Discord is an extension to the actual game more or less viable in making instant decissions where the discussions are on the same topic - eRepublik.
Anyway, I cannot preach my opionion about games as everyone sees it the way they like it - I personally disklike the idea of bringing real life accusations into an online game.
o7
Through telegram he has access to my personal phone number, but I do agree with the sentiment you’re getting at.
Regardless it boils down to I just don’t think this is the way for a so called vice president to behave, game or not.
Look what you can do with a bit of motivation o7
Not MoFA article, but it works out o7
Lol