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Sounds good, got the ide from my article? 😃
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Naah, I've wanted this since I started playing, but you did indeed awaken the will to write! Passa på att kolla länken i slutet av artikeln, där står det ju som sagt mer om den före detta Homonaviska Unionen xD

Tho i would prefere another name for the union 😉
I actualy think the name is a bit of an insult, when you think were it came from 😛
"Homo-Swedes"
Names could be Scandinavian Union, Northern Union or United Nations Of Scandinavia.

Ska läsa allt ja kan hitta om det 🙂 Det var ju som sagt under den tiden jag inte var aktiv.

Yes, but since it is an old well-known name I used it for this article, but if a union is to be founded, they will decide on the name then, I suppose.

If it will be an union i realy hope for an other name 😛

There will never be a region, for many various reasons. Some of them are:

* Swedes being to arrogant (and ignorant)

* Danes being to casual

* Norwegians having a little brother complex (and Swedes having a big brother complex = bad combo)

* The majority of Finns barely understands English and suck at communicating in it. It would probably be easier for them to understand Swedish, but a union between Sweden and Finland with Swedish as the main language? Not likely 😉

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The biggest problem though, by far, is that we Swedes seem to think that we actually have a say in what goes on in the eWorld. The day we realize that we and Finland are pretty much on even ground except for us having a few better oldfags who have done a better job with the diplomatic talks, we're very similar in both size, power and uselessness.

I will c/p what I wrote in your forum, though Valnad pretty much says the same:

"I have some troubles seeing Sweden in an alliance like this again..
Simply put, I don't think anyone but the Swedes were happy about their attitude the last time around 🙂
Truth be told, us Danes were more like prisoners than equals (might be a bit rough, but I think you catch my drift)..
That was of course due to the huge gap between Sweden and Denmark power-wise, but I don't think that should be an excuse..

In an utopian eWorld, this would be the only real solution for Scandinavia to have anything to say.

This is, of course, my point of view only and nothing official of any kind.."

Also, about the Fins and their skills at English - I haven't had my communication that way in this game, though in RL I was of the impression that Fins were very good with the English language?
I remember the Danish schools being measured against the Finnish ones..

If i get it correctly people on Åland (an island belonging to Finland) thay speak Swedish. On the west coeast of Finland thay have Swedish as second language. And thay still teach Swedish in school on most places to the IRL finish government is talking about taking it away due to some patriotic reason. And the people from finland that i have talked to has been good at english. And even if thay are not good at english translate.google is allways availibl, and ther are probably alot of fins that can translate from both english and Swedish into Finnish if thay need it. So i dont realy see the language as a problem. Acording to my experince irl young people in North europe is very good at english that includes Finland.

And if you take a look at IRl history you can see thet language has never been a problem beutween Sweden and Finland.

Well its an great idea, but it will need lods of work and for EVERY country to chenge the opinion and be alittle more open minded. Maybe one country isnt the first step maybe a union ala ABC is the right way to go!

I do like the idea, but it comes with problems. But then again, that would keep our Ambassadors busy, wouldn't it?

If we'd manage to do this, eScandinavia would be a force to be reckoned with within the eWorld.

Folkan, I suggest you pay a visit to the Finns in this game then. Have you ever been to their forum? No, because if you had, you'd know that their community is pretty much 99% finnish and by that I mean no other language at all.

Their oldfags are fluent, but they're a minority. Ask Petsku, avec or whoever and they'll pretty much say the same thing. It *might* be possible to suggest having English as a second-language in a union with Finland - putting all other obstacles aside just for the sake of the discussion - but to think that they would willingly use Swedish is... well... naive, to say the least.

You will have to bluntly force them to do so, and if our community failed to do so with a handful of merry danes (which I'm btw thankful for, our attitude towards all Scandinavian neighbors is shitty to say the least) I doubt that we'll have more success with a community several times bigger and at a much greater distance when it comes to in-game politics, alliance affiliations, etc.

I realize that comments such as these aren't very uplifting, but let's just say that I've wrapped my arms around this subject both one and two times too many and I do know what I'm talking about. Few - if any - Swedes have had as much contact with the leader of the other Scandinavian countries. I would like to think that I am still in their good favor too, so I can't see why they would lie to me about the likeliness of ever entering a union with Sweden in this game.

And if you decide to go for the "google translation works" argument, you might as well abandon these plans now, before getting yelled at. Finns are no more likely to use google translate to understand us than we are to understand them.

>Finns suck at english.
lol no.

And besides IF some of us are really that bad in english there are people (mostly the president) who translate these kinda things to us.

Well, to be sure, I atleast succeeded with my goal to start some kind of discussion, and now I know that other people are somewhat positiev to a United scandinavia, even if it would be like a "new ABC" and that was kind of what I had in mind

@ Sandenaattori: Are you Positive or Negative to a Scandinavian Alliance? I don't get it.

I like the idea but im pretty sure it going to be nearly impossible to create such alliance because Sweden is in ONE.

Valnad
I didnt say we would "force" the finns to speak Swedish what i wanted to make clear was that if we realy want to cooperate, language will not be a problem.
And that 99% of there forum is on Finish wow what a surprise after all it is the Finnish forum why would thay have other language in there? We have most Swedish in the Swedish forum dont we?

And btw whats the with the "oldfags" word?
Think the old players are deadweight or unusable?

Nah, Oldfags are just a common expression, nothing to get hung up about

Okey but its hard not taking it personaly. Coming back to the game and being an "Oldfag". Probably gonna get used to it at some point but at the moment i dont like it.

Hmmm funny..I see the comments saying finnish cant talk english...Yet i did understand everything.Valnad you presume alot..But do you know about Finnish players,Have you even talked with one?oh forget it,I almost forgot that i can`t speak english because I am from finland

Valnad Valnad..varför så dum?


Im not saying that my English is perfect,not even talking about my swedish,But i think it is understandable

And how long it would take to give the same CS to every citizen of the union? 😁

Oiskipoiski, your English is indeed understandable, it's more than that.

Oiskipoiski,
Dont take his words personaly i think hes just against a union.

Finnish ppl speak far better english than swedish. In fact, I passed schools and know only few sentences swedish.
I suck at english too, and by finnish standards my skills are very low. However, I am capable to understand almost everything I read in english.

But back to main subject.
Finnish "vote about attack" was an accident, and there will be no actual attack. Our newfags wanted to troll oldfags, and voted complete idiot to be our president. That guy accidently made that war-thing, and it was settled with swedes immediatly.

Scandinavian union, however, is not likely to happen. First of all, Sweden being ONE lover and Finland old time member of EDEN. Also admins have made such unions hard to make with their resistance war thingy. Also no finnish person is likely to live under swedish banner by his free will, and same other way around.

Sorry about bad english.

But as I have mentioned earlier, it would be alot easier with the Union if the flag was crafted out of equality and the official Union name gave the sense of equality to all of the nations.

Kristoffer
I dont think your english is bad.

About the "vote to attack" thanks for clearing that up 🙂
The ide was not to be under Swedish banner it was to create a complete new one for the union take as examples the flags in the articel.

I repeat my question, while it seems that everyone ignored it;

And how long would it take to give the same CS to every citizen of the union?

Sounds pretty gay.

And Finland is written wrongly.

"And if you take a look at IRl history you can see thet language has never been a problem beutween Sweden and Finland."
Dear Folkan, please take a look to current Finnish opinions about Sweden and think again.
Also: Finns don't speak or understand pig.

To give every person CS will take ALOT of time. Like half a year, probably more. If we dont make a deal with the admins.

But if the flag is a big problem, take it under Danish och Norwegian flag then. Does it really matter?

I know that idea is to create as equal system for citizens of every country in Soviet Scandinavia (I'd like that name), but game mechanics dont support that at all. One country must take over others on map.

Thanks to our swedish minority's higher people -complex, times of being under rule of swedish lords havent been forgotten here completely. Ppl who think more with brains than heart, see no real problem here, but many would see Swedish or Russian flag at their profile as most horrible thing there can be;P

Another gameplay problem would be losing our ability to liberate regions with resistance wars. We often lose to Estonia because of ONE's support, and win areas back with RW's usually without any problems.

http://www.riemurasia.net/profile.php?nick=es-jonne98

Are you sure you want an union with 4,000 of these guys? 😃D

It would take a lot of time to give every person ES..

@Oscdar - this article describes the dream I had since I started this game - but I agree that it wouldnt be easy - for many reasons. But we can still dream that it might happen some day o/

Once again, a lengthy reply got spunked by Firefox. I need to start using Chrome again, this 30 second login cookie sucks badly.

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Oiskipoiski >

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, although you may be right that I assume too much about a community that I no longer have any affiliation with. Afterall, things may have changed in eFinland during 2011. Last time I tried to be a part of your community, I had to use google translate all the time, because most finns preferred to communicate in their mother tongue.

I realize that some may have read my previous posts as a declaration of sorts, where I claim that finns don't know how to write/understand english. Obviously, this isn't the case.

But eFinland as a community isn't bilingual, which I'd like to claim that eSweden is - at least to some extent. We often use english in our IRC and forum, our congress ususally switches over to english whenever a foreigner takes a seat, most of our media and all important articles are translated to english, we have previously been in a union with Denmark were our official language was english and we have english IRC-alternatives to all main channels. Although nowdays they are seldomly used, they're there.

All of the above makes me assume that eSweden would have an easier time convincing the community to use English as the preferred language, while it would likely be a bigger change for eFinland to try the same. I don't think that there's any benefit in doing it either, so I don't see why we're even discussing it, other than to clarify my intent with previous remarks.

Swedes typically think that they are excellent at english, while in truth, our average population speak, spell and read english about as good/bad as any other person of similar age and culture who doesn't have english as her mother tongue. Head out in the kitchen and try to say the name of the first ten things you see in any of the drawers/cabinets. The average vocabulary is quite limited, to say the least.

Folkan >

If you honestly think that I am against a union, you need to stay put a while longer this time around and then do your history lessons.

And don't worry about the oldfag remark: it didn't refer to you. Evenso, it's not to be taken as an insult. Why you have a problem with it is for you to decide, personally I consider it a term just like any other in this (and most other) online games. Oh, and btw, "homo" means same (or equal, if you will). You could choose to look at the term "Homonavia" as a Scandinavia where everyone is equal to her peers, or you could search for a hidden insult everywhere.

My suggestion? Try to loosen up a bit. Being dead serious about everything is seldom a fun way to approach a game.

This homo-idea gives me a homo-erectus.

All f.Hail Valnad! Former High Commander of Homonavia!

Toothpaste, I thought your trolling would come earlier, but I realise with your comment here that you have been too busy masturbating to my artwork to keep on with your comment trolling. Too bad...

Speaking of which, it's funny how Örebro used to be a seat of power not only in Sweden but in the whole Scandinavian region.

"Kära örebroare" suddenly gets a whole new meaning...

If this were to happen it has to happen under any other flag than Swedish... it would look like sweden is leading the Union and our member stats would never agree to it, So Denmark, Norway or Finland would be a better choise as the host for the Union.

Throw away your Nationalism so that we together can create somthing better

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Not anymore, ha!

"if i get it correctly people on Åland (an island belonging to Finland) thay speak Swedish. On the west coeast of Finland thay have Swedish as second language. And thay still teach Swedish in school on most places to the IRL finish government is talking about taking it away due to some patriotic reason. And the people from finland that i have talked to has been good at english."

The reality is, that its a small minority who speaks Swedish. Under 300k ppl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_language

Its almost the same as I am saying that Sweden could as well communicate in Arabic since there is a major Iraqi population in Sweden : )

The fact they teach Swedish in school, is true. But that does not mean that majority of Finnish population can communicate in Swedish 🙂 Jag heter Jorma. Jag älskar dig.

There was my communication skill level in Swedish. And I bet its far above average.

To be honest, I do NOT know what "My name is __" or "I love you" is in Finnish, so I guess we are worse...