Don't hate the player, hate the game [Severrus]
Severrus Snape
Hi,
Man, its been such a long time.. 727 days since my last article actually, wow (the one with Nazgul, remember? 😛
)
*not considering my recent article which was just of humanitarian nature.
how are you guys?
Anyways, I was waiting a while for all this mess to cool off, so i can give my thoughts on the matter. Today i saw that some of the accounts in those lists got permanent bans. Sad to see some of them were actually my friends.
Nonetheless, the others that are awaiting verdict at this moment are mainly big tanks from D4 (even though I saw some people get perma bans that I considered big tankers from D2 and D3 like NENODS, magtherid0n or Dr.Panda). I guess they are the collateral damage.
But what about the others?
So, from whatever intelligence I gathered these days, it appears this is a very complex situation, but I hope my point of view can help straighten that out. I'll try to be as short as possible, to keep your focus on what matters, and mainly because I've been 2clicking for too long in order to have a solid statement.
This bug everyone's talking about, it's strange isn't it?
While I strongly condemn and DO NOT APPROVE the abuse of exploits or bugs in one's advantage over the other, I can't help wonder that this is all too strange to dismiss.
Are we to believe that Admins really had no idea of what's going on in their game and with an exploit of this size? I mean, I have a friend that's a 2 clicker also, and even he noticed suspicious ammounts of tanking from certain non gold buyer players. Admins couldn't? Or didn't want to see that? It appears they turned blind eyes to the situation.
From certain statements I've seen, Admins were told, or insinuated about suspicious activity (or simply put, this bug). From both sides. And I very strongly believe they were 100% aware of this exploit. Its just that, at the time it wasn't the perfect timing to do something about it, because lets face it, apparently some players from Asteria/Hydra were getting basically free tanking, while the other opposing side had to do, guess what? Spend euros and euros in order to nullify that extra (artificial) damage. This means more income for the Admins.
Now, imagine you are the Admins. You own a slowly rotting game, and then this happens; the losing side finally wakes up, gathers tons of accounts and invests loads of real euros in them, in order to finally gain the upper hand and win. But, like with any man, greed is a bad thing.
With all my heart I do believe Admins knowingly allowed this bug in order to drain more Euros from Code players and their buyers. Period. I just hope you guys will be wise enough and stop "investing" in this game after all this.
I have used the deploy option hundreds of times and not even once I encountered this free tanking option (with activated boosters, accelerators and all that stuff). On the other hand, all these accounts that are under investigation are all known tankers, so I cant help wonder that they were "the chosen ones" to receive (read "discover") this bug.
I have to be objective and thus ask this question, surely there were people from Code or any opponent alliance that used the deployment option in this whole time period. And none, not a single one of them "discovered" this bug?
Once again, I strongly condemn and DO NOT APPROVE the abuse of exploits or bugs in one's advantage over the other, and I do hope Admins will consider all factors when deciding their fate.
Should they decide do so, perma banning this many accounts, many of which are the strongest accounts in several countries, and in the world, would have catastrophic consequences, but that's not the point of this article.
So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't hate the players, hate the game for allowing this.
In the end Admins, its your fault. I hope everyone realises this.
Quality articles related to this topic:
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All Banned Accounts that exploited the Deployment bug
erepublik.com/en/article/2731200/1/20
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[CP] Is this the end?
erepublik.com/en/article/2731213/1/20
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Requiem for a dream - analiza skorasnjih dogadjaja
erepublik.com/en/article/2731392
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Plain list of the bans, provided by Master_rg
https://download.erepublik.tools/bans.html
Should this be my last act in eRep for whatever reasons (maybe because of writing this article lol) I've always wanted to go with this:
"However history remembers me, it shall only remember a fraction of the truth."
Best regards,
Severrus Snape
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Don't hate the player, hate the game [Severrus]
erepublik.com/en/article/2731374
The Truth about bots, scripts, exploits and other traps
erepublik.com/es/article/2731261
BAN ALL CHITERS SUPORT FOR PLATO AND GOLD GIVE TO US
"don't hate the players, hate the game"
Completely agree.
And above all:
- do not isult other players.
- respect their RL country name
Yes, good point. Not a single Code player fluked upon a bug that was in place for at least a couple of months?
As little as I understand of it, all you did was activate a booster after deploy. I do that all the time when I cannot stand the slow progress of the stupid deploy wheel.
Not one of those world class tanks did that for months?
no it was not that simple to activate the exploit according to the testimonies of those who used the exploit - it required a lot of micromanagement and specific procedure to be followed in order to be activated.
so what you are saying is that it was a bug with a key? Then it was a special feature. Blame the admins. Seriously
It was not that easy,even now we are not sure about the steps one should have followed in order to turn on the exploit.
I got completely different info, any booster activated during deploy would add extra hits.
@Gerula yeah and I do blame the admins seriously for it or to be more precise I am wondering what the administration will do now, because this exploit totally ruined a game that was in a bad shape even before such exploit. Asteria leadership admitted to use this exploit bcs they were in rage quit mode, because of one-sided permaban of their hiter, which by itself was a big blow to Asteria's military capabilities in lower divisions. Although CODE was so dead that Asteria could have continue to dominate without these hiters.
sounds more like an Easter egg than it sounds like a bug. perhaps a reward to "Romanian players" but that does not excuse their behavior. but i doubt it . its easy to see how some variables etc could have switched off something else. still how would they have stumbled upon it. 3 x 200 energy bars when was this available and in what quantities. part of a pack perhaps. then you had to deploy which not many players on scripts did anyway due to captcha then you should have used 5 minute accelerator which also was this from some kind of anniversary pack. then midway you should have cancelled or at some point in deploy details are unclear. just thinking about that it sounds like some kind of Easter egg. but still you are not alone in this game and you know the rules and it was not legal so yeah pretty much even if admins knew about it and did nothing about it you are 100% to blame if you used the exploit and you should be penalized heavily. they attained all the ranks illegally they attained all their gold they got from this illegally and some schmo lost out using eb etc. all the medals all the money from patriot medal. above article should have read we got caught now we are butthurt and blame admins. admins wont do anything about it as most players would call horsemanure on this article. a steaming pile of that is.
great article o7 fact is: Divide et Impera.
Great article mate - exactly the same thoughts worry me too
glad you agree mate o7
Admins must face unemployment for sure.
As for the cheaters,i did not see a shout about a bug or an article etc and i have my doubts that it was reported from anyone at least in the first days.
that is true also, I remember you guys complaining about the tokens (even though to this day, for the life of me i can't understand how that works lol), and it appears that wasn't the issue (or at least, not the only issue). Those who say they reported the bug to Admins, need to provide evidence, I mean they have nothing to lose now.. Admins surely won't admit to it.
again. Tokens were the first blunt and clear indication the admins cheat. tokens accessible with ingame resources and not RL money means no control on anonymous (WTF) sellers providing any f2p player ability to buy anything they wanted using their abuse or exploit. before that they could buy only via gifting. As long as visas on code side controlled that things were balanced or in favour of code. then admins realized that visas spend less since they did not buy from asteria and their system stopped working. so thy introduced anonymous tokens. What joke. and how clear at this point it was that these are low level admin GPSS thieves that with not the slightest cover they rob us in our faces.
VERY CLEVER SAID THATS 100% TRUE
wise words
o7
IFTHERE WASBUGWHY SOMEBODY DIDNT TELL ME SO I CAN USE TOO LIKE YOU AND HAVE MORE GOLD OR WHY NOBODY REPORT IT BUT ONLY WHEN YOU CHEATERS HAVE SOMETHINGTO TAKE THAT YOU DONT REPORT IT BADCHOISE 🙂
mm... diferente attitude...where is the soberbia,,, and unfair and humiliating nap..forced tws and leave alliances by force to destroy this...where is andes, where is the south american alliances, was distroyed by people.
why you / asteria... are like this when you are winning
its totally fair the cheates have to go, but is unfair to us thath what you do in the recient past.
many of my friends leave the game,many of them are dead citizens now...only by unfair people abusing of the situation.
Cuanta razon querido Arica, aca tienes a uno
Abrazo!
by no means the point of this article is to request mercy for the actions, I can't comment on any military event that you mentioned, and happened during the time I was 2-clicking - I was not part of it.
What I'm saying it, things must be explained, especially to those who spent real life money in this game.
well as you was on 2 clicks, let me tell you,, it's wasn't the game, was the people who use a "system error" to submiss real people. our side lose big couting of real money to fight against the cheaters, and they do cheating using concience. not by error, stayaing on concience of this.
chile have 2 miserables resorces under cheaters, our alliance was distroyed.
its not time to be a victim, please the have feel some shame. at least
https://www.erepublik.com/es/main/alliances/25
"our side lose big couting of real money to fight against the cheaters"
yes, that is exactly what I'm saying in this article my friend.
"its not time to be a victim, please the have feel some shame. at least"
I'm not playing a victim whatsoever, this article is just the Admins and their history of overseeing and allowing such bugs in where one side spends real money to fight artificial damage, and thus making Admins profit.
I hope you can see that upon reading my article again. Thank you.
im dont speaking of you my friend im speaking about the cheaters and the consequences on other real people like them, with honest persons this would never happen :/
best regards to you 🙂
@aricachile : imho, you guys should resurrect the ''andes'' alliance and to add back all the south-american e-countries in it, like you did before...
the andes alliance was a powerhouse of the south-american forces in the past, i dont see why it cannot be one such force again.
@chris jonadicus
"they" with "conditions" and forced tws, make Venezuela and Paraguay proAsteria, brasil is neutral and have forced nap with Asteria.
chile and bolivia is on code and urguay dont have alliance...mexico is on nebula
thats was doing by persons, using cheats using on his own concience.
Espero que todos tengan permaban, y de todas las alianzas. Todos los que abusaron del sistema, de una y otra manera, destruyeron no solamente el juego, le sacaron del bolsillo dinero a la gente y desaparecieron comunidades enteras con sus trampas
I agree that the admins have to explain everything to the whole community when the investigation is over. No secrets anymore!
Honestly wise words. Fully agree. Throw guys responsible for this out on the street and take them to the court
What if the ones meanwhile exploiting the bug, therefore dominating the game, were "spreading hate" over the loosing side? I believe its a bit too much to ask the ones that were harmed during this to adress their rage to admins only
hateful behaviour is part of every game, even in this one. Its nothing new, and despite all our efforts, we can't control it, or suppress it. That is something each player is responsible for, individually, not the Admins.
I too, have been a victim of hateful speech, naturally coming from a country that's been a target of hate speech the most, so believe me, I understand that.
That's what actually turns me away from all the games except single player ones
True story. Plato Jr. in a nutshell
Well, it's not the game that forced the players to write very proud shouts, spiced with insults, about them being extremely strong and coordinated master-strategists, is it? 🙂
that is true mielga.. read my comment above for hate speech so i dont repeat myself..
And that is exactly the point! Gloating while cheating and tanking for free, buying packs for free... miserable individuals do that, with 0 decency in them.
Oh come on. Don't be ridiculous Selak.
You are all the same make. Asterians, and to my disappointment CODE.
What will it be tomorrow? Will Plato Jr. suddenly find out that "omg, people are trading accounts? I had no idea". Cause yours in my friend Comet Academy's acc.
All shit - bugs, bots, acc trading, scripts, etc is all tolerated as long as it brings profit for Plato Jr.
His "terms of service" can be violated as long as the result pleases him financially. Then it's all "not respecting our terms and services" - ban.
You (Asterians and CODE) are all in the same dump and still barking at each other.
@Feynmann below are pretty accurate comments of antwone on the TOS topic 🙂
I've been thinking about the whole mess and came to the following conclusion. It's either:
a) Admins knew about the exploit as you said, and turned a blind eye to cheating because of profit.
b) They were unaware of it because they absolutely don't care about the game. I imagine eRep labs as tiny, reeky & messy office with a couple of servers, one employee and a random stray cat eating his leftover pizza.
Could be either one of those, but at least they did something and showed they care even a little bit which is good imo...especially after being idle for years. If they eradicate all cheaters from the game, perhaps this game has a future?
Wouldn't be surprised if they did know about the bug and didn't do a thing. But this brings up a question: why now - after like 14 months since this incident occurred.
After all, it's not like the player base lost because that will come back since admins started to ban some accounts.
And to be honest it's still uncertain what will happen with big names that were tempbanned.
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from what I understand - few days ago admins received tickets with screenshots given by cheater players on telegram explaining and proving without any doubt there was an exploit which allowed them to disbalance the game to the benefit of proAsteria. Until recent proof and statements provided by cheater players (while in rage quit mode) previous tickets that CODE players sent to administration (while exploit was ongoing and especially after rumors of its existence started leaking from proAsteria starting in March 2020 - but without any proof and after exploit was apparently fixed - we still demanded explanation because the dmg done by proAsteria was totally crazy and looked fabricated) was replied by administration with always the same answer that their investigation did not find anything wrong with either the damage produced, the resources invested or the packs bought by proAsteria players. We can only speculate that maybe recent communication between some proCODE players and Stillfront (owner of eRep Labs) on why this game is dying when it had so much potential, may affected eRep administration to finally feel the heat on them from all sides (ingame community, Stillfront owners, undeniable proof of exploit's existance from high-level proAsteria players).
First, if admins didn't know that there is something fishy, they wouldn't fix it. So they saw that something is wrong after 3 months, fixed it, and didn't care to see who abused it?
Second, you reported to them that there is unreal damage, they said they didn't find anything wrong - they lied. More proves that the bug was implemented as feature to suck more money from romper
Welcome back in the media. Voted!
I feel I hate the player and the game.
Admins knew what was going on, they profited from it and as such spenders should question if they were in breach of the Consumer Protection Act 2007.
However we do need to look at the players here too. Yes it is human behaviour to cheat, "if you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough" but the lengths some players here are going to win is just beyond me. Yes this is admin enbabled (hate them for this) but it is player enabled too. Those on the Asteria side will call foul play on CODE bots/servers but turn the blind eye to their own teams cheats while CODE calls foul on Asterias bots/servers but many turn a blind eye on their own teams. Yes one came before the other but we are at where we are now and both sides are cheating.
Using these servers is no different to the exploit. It puts crazy damage against human players who spend their euros/their earnings to counter this damage. I've come up against bot armies. I've burned bars to counter the food fights of a dozen or so bots damage which comes at no expense - I too, a player am a victim of admin enabled abuse.
People need to take these boycotts serious - they need to stop spending money, they need to stop playing hot and cold depending on whether they are winning or not.
We need as an online community to call out the cheats. The few ruin it for the many.