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Set minimum wage is a bit of a redundancy in terms of ensuring employers offer a competitive wage, as the average wage (when not factoring in slave pits) is significantly higher then $1, $5, or even $20. Having a $1 minimum wage does give more flexibility to those wishing to make other arrangements for employment (ex. tanks, slave pits, sexual favours, etc.). For that reason I'm in support of a $1 minimum wage.

Well that's why I suggested maybe even $50. Average 48.51 CAD. That's what it is right now, so if we did increase it to $50 we might move it up another $5-10 for all we know. It's just a matter of people being receptive to the idea.

Markets should set wages. Artificially high minimum wages hurt business. We are already bonus disadvantage compared to the US and others.

Is the CPF for the Charter or against it as it does not allow for article proposals

Or is it a case of what time of the week it is

Which should the proposal be. Option 1 or 2 or 3?

He's asking for opinions not votes (that's the way i'm seeing it)

gotcha, my bad

What I think is not really important but I will post it anyhow, Disregard if you like, you should know that I have no commune or employees. When I did have a commune/employees I did some experimentation to see what worked for me, here's what I found.

Raising min wage above 1 cc does indeed hurt a commune. Whether a MU or just a group of friends. The wage itself if not a huge deal as the cc paid to the 'employee' can simply be donated back to the 'employer'. Income tax is lost, plus as you say the average wage will drive up the WT which will hurt RM farms the commune supplies itself with. However, in the interest of defense and war, the govt can work out a deal with MUs that have large communes. It would not be too complicated to give them a tax rebate with a screen shot or two proving commune activity that benefits soldiers.

General population that has actual employees probably won't be affected at any wage that's reasonable other than the cost of producing/buying RMs will jump. This will make products cost more, so anyone that actually gets a pay increase will use that just to buy supplies. Others who don't get a pay increase will be able to buy less product so the econ will slow down. With overproduction rampant I'm not sure how this would pan out, Canada has a flimsy econ at best.

Finally, MUs with communes have always been cheats but the govts in most countries don't care because they want their MUs stronk at all cost. The 'slave pit' works for 1 cc and pays almost no tax, then the MU 'pays' them with the Q7 and food they produce which avoids VAT. They operate mostly as Not For Profits. As far as the private factories, they whine about anything that affects bottom line. I don't believe they care about anything other than amassing huge piles of fake stuff. I think maybe they invite women over to their parents basement to eat pizza and show off their eRep account.

Option 2 is my choice or it could stay 5,69 like it is at this moment. I never understood that 1$ minimum wage since it will just bring more money to "farmers" and no one else. Yes 5$ min.wage will not bring much more $ for government but still that's my choice. There are communes everywhere and I guess eCan is not any different so option 3 could do some damage.

Also we should consider higher working tax. 1% working taxes and VAT are just worthless.

It doesnt need to be changed from $5.69 and you should feel terrible for pretending it is even worth duscussing. I feel terrible for posting.

Allow me to spell it out for them lol

It seems to me the entire point of the economic module is escaping some people.

If you are running a commune in Canada you shouldn't be because too much pacifism means lower production. Apply for serbian citizenship.

You let the market decide by leaving well enough alone.

The market decision is based upon production bonuses and war, not what congress desides should be best, because it is irrelevant. The country grabs meaningful territories, production increases, constant war, prices increase, and wages go up and so do taxes collected.

Sitting on your hands means stagnation in wages paid out, lower production, lower taxes collected.

I do run a small commune in Canada and thought I was paying 5.00.

5:00 works for me.

Just leave it alone. Serious communes operate out of country for max bonuses. Small ones prob stay in eCanada, so you'll prob just end up hurting the little guys. For the rest of us, it's irrelevant.

I pay $20 a click it works for me , Communes however need that low wage so i say make the minimum $1 so communes can exist for the newbs.

Only an idiot works in Canada

better jobs almost everywhere else

Oh yea i work for $85 a click elsewhere lol

Shhhhh..........

much ado about nothing... like usual...

I support a living wage with a 25% work tax.

I had job offers of $65 CAD up for a couple days and only had a handful of takers. That should tell you how much people (even employees!) play attention to the job market.

Keeping the wage at $5.69 is the best and sexiest case scenario.

I knew that .69 had your Butt marks all over it.

Option 3 will kill eCaada job market.
I'm ok with option 2.
My chouce will be option 1. Let's commune came to eCanada.

This is such a pointless debate.

Anyone earning the minimum wage in an eCanadian job is working for a commune, and the cash is a secondary incentive, not the main source of the employee's income. Anyone working for cash isn't going to settle into a minimum wage job. If they are, they're too stupid to care about $5 vs $20 because they don't understand the meaning of money anyway.

Lowering the minimum wage makes it slightly more viable to run slave pits within the country. This favours "commune" owners providing for MUs and the people clever enough to understand that working for goods instead of for cash is the way to go.

Raising the minimum wage drives the slave pits to other countries. It favours small-time operators getting rich off their ignorant work force, and anyone stupid enough to work for such people for the least amount of money legally possible.

The happy medium we're at now provides work tax income without making it impossible for slave-pit owners to operate within our borders.

Keep the minimum wage very low. If you find yourself working for minimum wage without additional compensation, stop being a stupid victim and find a better job.

there is a frightening pattern recently where one group just wants to raise the work tax as high as possible, by any means possible. Then they wonder why people would be crazy enough to support their opponent....

I can see it now...Minimum wage $50. Next, war...then Work Tax increase to 20%...then DMV, ED, and Aries all rob us blind and it all happened because congress is a bunch of stupid lemmings who are not smart enough to figure out that is what the CPFs game is. Heck, the had to beg the US to come and save them from a successful dictatorship. Jackmonkies thats what the CPF and any player who follows them down the path of STUPIDITY!

Oh god I love all these comments from the cordis sheep.

Even if we have the lowest work tax and minimum wage, there are other countries with more bonuses (and may be more politically stable), so I doubt we'd attract new communes.

At our current RM market rates, average wage and production bonuses, Q1 and Q2 FRM and WRM companies are not profitable. (Q2 FRM is profitable when the market rate is 0.04cc.) The Work Tax is too high. Screenshot of excel spreadsheet: http://puu.sh/knLMb/9616f0094e.png
Increasing the Work Tax (whether or not raising the minimum wage would affect it) would only increase the cost of production.

atm I'm too lazy to set up a spreadsheet for production of finished goods.