[Kravenn] Facing a PTO threat and solve it together
Kravenn
I know what I made but I need to admit that if I needed to do it again : I should change some things.
I don’t hide it : I launched the proposal to remove access to every congress member elected on NewEra Ticket. Less known : one of their congress members launched the same proposal towards TUP congress members too.
Why I made that : it’s quite simple.
Since around 3 weeks, we have a party who opened borders to a country who is currently one of our enemies. That party helped one of these guys to run for congress and begin to give citizenship to his friends (4 citizenships by congress members).
For that party : there is nothing wrong because they consider UK has infested by Poles players and they want to counterbalance it with Serbians.
BUT: since TWO collapsed, Poland remained a friend when Serbia is now opposed to us.
Need to add something important : I have no suspicion towards Serbian players who joined eUK before TWO collapsed. They made nothing wrong and are a part of our community. I consider as hostile those who want to take power in UK via a political take-over.
What are PTOters goals :
- Having majority in congress
- block our proposals
- transfer money to our taxes into their orgs
- Gain Country President election.
- Put eUK community in minority.
The first point is probably the longest one : you need to infiltrate the targeted country. Once it is done : being on congress list and if you are elected. Begin to offer your CS passes to your friends who will help you in your task. 1 congress member has 4 pass. He gives these pass to his friends (4 people enter in eUK). 2 of these guys are elected for congress => 8 pass to offer to friends and each month : more elected people and also more passes to offer to those people. With time, they can gain majority in congress and it can be faster if they find people who are obsessed to gain power.
It always begins small and seducing
2nd point : Block our proposals.
The day, they have more than 33% in congress. They can block every Natural enemy law.
Before that, they still have 2 proposals (like every congress members). If they learnt that UK is planning to launch a Natural Enemy law against an enemy : They can be tempted to launch a rogue one to help our enemy and consequence is that UK won’t have initiative to begin the war.
Bank of England needs money (by example for Combat orders) : They can launch a donation law to one of their orgs (they know that it won’t pass) but consequence for us : we are locked for 24h and our enemy gains another advantage against us
3rd point : They have a majority in congress (PTO group and those who helped them to enter), They propose a law to transfer 400.000 GBP to their bank. Meaning that UK taxes (aka your taxes too) won’t be used for the country but for them to buy weapons, play on monetary market (to gain more money). eUK being poorer day after day.
4th point : Win CP election: aka the worst thing who could happen. Whatever the way used to win that election. CP can remove the country from the current alliance. Depending if he has majority in congress or not.
eUK could be out of current alliance, forced to sign MPP with our enemies, but even worse : change the welcome message into his favor (it happened in the past in some countries). Adding something like “Join XXX party, the only true british players party … other parties are there to ruin eUK” and brainwash new players.
5th point : Put eUK community in minority, once they have more 50%, they won. Only a wipe and long months without congress could save us. I think that like you : your dream isn’t to have all articles in eUK medias written in serbian.
I think that you don’t want that kind of eUK : me neither but if we aren’t together opposed to them. It is what will happen. Sooner we begin to work together, faster it will be over.
Always a bad end of for the community.
Does it happened in some countries ?
Sadly : Yes. Belgium is current under PTO risk. That’s the reason why they are wiped and have no congress (nobody can receive CS). They aren’t a large country but their economy suffers (no bonus …).
In the past : USA was at risk too(and they are a large country). At that time, they had full bonus (all food + all weps). They began to open borders and a party leaded by someone very well known from old eUK citizens decided to use these immigrants (mainly Serbians) to take power. They almost had 33% in congress. Meaning that part 1 and 2 of what I explained before were made. They weren’t able to put part 3. They also tried to gain CP elections and a consequence for traditional parties was to elect a common candidate for that election to avoid to lose CP spot.
It took lot of months for USA to reduce that issue
To finish : I hope that you understand my position. Also, there is a proposal to take back 3 NewEra congress members giving them a second chance. Those 3 congress members (Surferdude - NT Games and Gego gugula) haven't done anything wrong. For me, they just need to show they aren’t linked to current NewEra leading group (one of the proofs = the 3 mentioned NewEra congress members haven’t used any of their CS passes)
Very last thing : On the following days, I will interview some people who faced a PTO to help you to consider the danger that we currently face
See ya,
Kravenn
Comments
It is sad that game rules allow any Congress member to admit anyone he wants into his country, for good or for ill, without any in-game consequences unless his PP refuses to give him a spot on the next election. It seems like a small and innocent start, but the growth can be geometric. I don't want to see this happen to eUK. It is imperative that citizens unite early and stay united.
you are missing one important point, the baw ACTS AS A DETERRENT to PTOs, the level of mental boredom in eUK is so high that any living and intelligence form of life flees .
i'm a intelligence form of life and i have not fleed from this pto, in other words ..i'm fighting it...give back what is rightful ours and sod off is all i can say
Good luck with the PTO threat
Voted for the truth. I am really tied of this PTO crap. eUK needs to reinstate proper immigration policies again.
If you need help, we will help, anyway mony of us live in UK in RL... 😉DD
We want names Kravenn!
<---- Look at my avatar. :3
Kinda funny how some that accused me when I joined the eUK of doing this, now they are the ones doing it.
yeah, but we wanted you to PTO us...
there are many excuses for facism
Many use the word fascism for things that are not fascism. I think that is stupid.
banning a whole party from congress is fascism
Nope they are still in congress and have all their ingame rights. They are kicked out the conversation because they were not welcome in the conversation any more. Isolated they can be, be they have their rights to have their organisation, they can publish and they are not in prison. Maybe you should study more on history to know what fascism is.
banning a whole party from congress is fascism
You can repeat what is said earlier and do not want to understand, but it is a fact not a whole party is banned from congress, they are banned from communications by part of the congress.
Isn't that authoritarianism? o.O
facism is such a convenient smear word isn't it sven
Would you prefer Stalinism?
For someone who lived through Stalin's reign, you don't seem to understand Stalinism is Stalin's Communist views and how he implemented them (that yes, was fascist).
Not everything is a synonym for one part it encompasses, otherwise you'd be 'saggy foreskin and creaky joints' instead of 'old man'.
@Sam010 please don't lecture me on Stalinism until you know what you're talking about.
In 1947 my parents fled to the west from Eastern Europe. My uncle's family were shipped out to Siberia in 1948 and only returned after the break up of the Soviet Union.
So tell me again how the banning of NE is any different in principle.
The difference is that the banned members of congress are only banned from some communication and some information, they are free to do whatever they like. To compare that with banning people to a foreign nation, to imprisonment or worse (fascism/Stalinism) is grotesque.
The difference is this is just a game whereas Stalinism was a real thing, ffs
Aww look, you can't even read what I wrote.
My point was although the Communist ideals pushed in Stalinism were done so through fascist means, by using Stalinism as a synonym for fascism you are implying all fascism contains the same Communist elements.
So yeah, cute story about your family, but it wasn't really my point.
''Poland remained a friend when Serbia is now opposed to us.''
No. Iain and you little company chose Poland and tried to f=ck Serbia over so you could feel important and call each other oldfags on IRC channels. That is all.
your*
You can call UK a little company when you like that. Truth is congress members voted to go to Sirius. Many in UK did regret that, that is true, but more people in UK preferred Poland. Maybe once in future we can become friends again. I would like that.
Congress can easily be manipulated, dear friend. I'm not calling your congressmen idiots, but with the right media climate everything can be pushed through congress...
I'm calling out the ''little company'' that was in the alliance HQ for months and scheming for months to achieve their selfish goals. Do you know that Sirius was meant to be another domination alliance just without Serbia, and that plan ultimately failed? Afterwards it was presented as a little cadre or a brotherhood of nations, lulz.
I have nothing against the population of the UK, Serbia doesn't have as well (majority at least) but I do have against the ones who overnight found their extreme love and feeling of brotherhood towards Poland.
You are right about the real brotherhood lulz. Many things are presented only by the nice face, but there is always an ugly face. However even with media manipulation and presentation members of congress must make a vote about what they really want. If unsure they should vote no or abstain.
However being now in two opposite alliances, many friendships can be ruined. It is a game, so friends should stay friends even when we fight each other.
All alliances are nothing but a grab for damage. Backslapping and high 5's do not keep regions.
/me shrugs. Shit happens, no need for Serbia to come and try to 'change our minds'. The battlefield is the appropriate place to fight, not meddling in the internal politics.
Good that the ones from NE that were not giving the cs passes will have the opportunity to be on the forums, IRC and mass mailings. That error made in haste had to be made undone. They owe apologies.
Firm steps against the ones proven being guilty for plotting against UK had to be made.
Voted for Duckpics.
hahahaha
Paranoid claptrap.
We've already had the treasury stolen and that had no effect on the average player.
The only people likely to be affected are the people in the cosy little clique that is currently panicking because their precious little toys will be taken away
I love how Sven, the serbian PTOer and Dapper liked your comment where you happily say PTO is okay,.let's have it. 🙂
When I see that a PTO will adversely affect the average player then I will change my mind about PTO. If you want support against a PTO maybe its time the government spent some of the taxes on its players instead of leaving it for the next CP that wants to steal it.
Just because Dapper supports what I say has no bearing on my opinions and I didn't see you trying to change mine when I crossed swords with he/she (it?) some time ago
tbf, several paranoids trends going on here. Pity we weren't paranoid about chew, if so, he wouldn't have got the post.
Chew got in because NE hate Invalidation and Schmidt would sell himself and his party to the highest bidder in terms of political power he was granted.
DC told you Chew would happily fuck the country over, but people are just too stubborn and moronic to listen.
Alice was a too humiliating choice.
Because you'd have to swallow your pride and see a great job done by someone you so vocally opposed?
Not all of us voted for that lame duck of a CP who then tried to pass it off as a long con, long con my arse he was crap and he knew it.
It was pretty funny that he expected anyone to believe he'd just pulled off some wonderfully well thought off heist rather than throwing a hissy fit because everyone knew he was shitty.
Kravenn proposed the ban and the vast majority of his TUP cronies backed him. i reacted by proposing the opposite to show how silly it looked and said so at the time. i also voted to abstain and not ban TUP because it's just silly.
Dag nabbit. Woldy released a cracking, tactful article that could have defused the situation for the time being. This kind of sabre-rattling is only likely to contribute to the problem. Anyone who cares or pays attention is likely to already know what you've just published regardless.
On the other hand...I do need things to write about so keep it up old bean.
YAY more Chaz articles..... getting fed up with all this shite at the moment
I love your first picture. 😁
free of PTO Kingdom!
People still listen to what kravenn has to say? He's as much a snake as dapper is!
Not quite interesting but whatever
You shouldn't give judgments like these when your own articles are complete wall of texts without even a photo in them.