[aSC] The Eastern Front
mihail.cazacu
Right now EDEN is fighting several key campaigns in Eastern Europe.
1) Turkey against Bulgaria, with the aim of completely liberating the Turkish territory;
2) Greece against FYROM, with the aim of keeping FYROM at bay and eliminate their contribution from other battles of ONE;
3) Albania against Serbia, a David vs Goliath type of campaign, with the purpose of triggering the expected Serbian irrational reaction on the loss of Kosovo, thus eliminating the Serbian contribution from other battles of ONE;
4) Romania against Hungary, with the aim of liberating the last occupied Romanian province and then carry the war to ONE's core regions;
5) Croatia's dash towards Western Europe, where until now ONE seemed unstoppable;
6) The Ukrainian war against both Hungary and Moldova.
The last war deserves a special comment because of the involvement of Moldova in all that mess.
The road to disaster
To set the record straight, the conflict between Moldova and Ukraine started as a Training War which had quickly gone bad due to both sides thinking with anything else except their brains.
When I inherited the management of the conflict (my first day as aSC, 9 days ago) there were two sets of demands:
The Ukrainian president was insisting that Moldova should be first wiped out then "punished" either by ceding several regions to Ukraine or by paying a 200 gold fine.
The demand was unrealistic for several reasons:
A ) An independent inquiry carried out by a commission of MoFAs had established that the guilt was equally shared, with Ukraine being the most recent offender. Therefore from the moral point of view, when two parties are guilty we cannot punish just one of them;
B ) Wiping out Moldova would have required that EDEN abandoned everything else for 2 days, right when several key campaigns needed the alliance's full attention.
In the same time, on Sunday 17 Moldova's point of view was rational: they agreed the war was stupid and they were ready to close it as soon as Ukraine can switch the NE from them to somebody else.
They were unwilling to allow themselves to be wiped out and cede regions or pay fines since they were not the only guilty party.
They pointed out that the war could have already been finished by then had not Ukraine voted a fresh NE on Moldova just a day before. They also explained the MPPs with ONE were the only way for them to resist being wiped out since Ukraine had all the EDEN behind her. Far from being pro-ONE, they claimed they were only using ONE for self defense.
Unfortunately the Moldavian government's rationality was short lived.
The conflict further escalated on the 19th of June, when the Ukrainian MoD made an insulting statement which was published for two long days in the Ukrainian official newspaper.
It is one thing if the private persons troll in their private newspapers and a whole different thing if members of the government insult a whole nation in an official newspaper.
Any wise government would not have allowed such a thing to be published even for one second, no matter what their private thoughts on the matter were. The Moldavian diplomacy used to their advantage the disastrous behavior of the Ukrainian government (a behavior criticized at home by several Ukrainian players) and secured an MPP with Romania.
The MPP itself was hard to get, won by a very narrow margin, with 17 votes against and 20 votes for. Had the Ukrainian government not insulted the Romanians, the MPP would have been rejected.
Unfortunately the Moldavian government took the approval of the MPP like a blank check, like a licence to do whatever they wanted in order to "teach Ukraine a lesson".
So in spite of the Moldavian president being personally and repeatedly asked to use the war with Ukraine only as a means to block the Hungarian advance into Ukraine, he decided otherwise now his back was covered.
All the Moldavian president needed to do after he got his long-coveted MPP was to attack Podolia and then Volhynia, slamming the gate in Hungary's face and preventing Hungary from getting access to grain.
Instead he first allowed Plato to attack Bassarabia, wasting precious time.
Only then he attacked Podolia and got pissed off the Ukrainians were not cooperated, fighting Moldova full force, instead of delaying the Hungarian advance in Subcarpathia and then in Galicia.
Mr. President, you attacked Bassarabia first, giving Hungary access to grain. Did you expect the Ukrainians (or anybody else, for that matter) to be enthusiastic about your little hissy fit?
Yes, the Ukrainian behavior of fighting full force in Podolia instead of Galicia was self-defeating but two wrongs never make one right!
Since Hungary had already conquered Galicia and attacked Volhynia by the time Moldova finally arrived in Podolia, now the only helpful move left was for Moldova to attack Polisia.
But guess what?! The Moldavian president was keen to "teach Ukraine another lesson". So he attacked Taurida instead of Polisia, leaving the gate wide open for Hungary to gain even more resources and become even stronger.
Apparently the Moldavians remember they are Romanians only when it suits them best. Otherwise they have no problems with the fact their little "revenge wars" are helping Hungary getting stronger right in the middle of the ongoing Hungarian-Romanian war.
Is there an end to this craziness?
From the strategic point of view, the real danger in that campaign is the Hungarian access to resources.
Moldova's "strength" is actually based on the support she received from Romania, by abusing the Real Life connection, and on the support received from ONE, who of course was glad to find a lapdog willing to assist Hungary in her quest for bonuses.
So whatever bonuses Moldova holds now, allegedly protected from Hungary, will be RW-ed by the Hungarians and their friends from ONE as soon as Hungary gains a border with those regions.
Since Moldova itself is lightweight, once ONE starts fighting against them, they have no chance to hang on to those regions. Therefore all they are doing now is to act as custodians for Hungary, keeping those regions warm till Hungary needs them.
In short, since Moldova has failed to close the gate, EDEN will have to deal with both Hungary and Moldova this month. Something which could have been avoided easily in the absence of unrealistic demands, insults, inflated egos and ardent desires to teach the other side a lesson.
Next time we will hopefully have more luck intercepting conflicts in an earlier stage. The new system of having regular weekly meetings for the Country Presidents, Ministries of Defense and Ministries of Foreign Affairs offers 3 points in which such a conflict can be tackled and diffused before it reaches the "all-out war" stage.
Let's start to use our brains for a change. This is, after all, a game of strategy.
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voted.
Unfortunately, when people shout they don't listen.
"Apparently the Moldavians remember they are Romanians only when it suits them best" x2
voted. Unfortunately Moldova comes closer and closer to ONE
Kokošinjac
o7,succes si felicitari pentru functie
"But guess what?! The Moldavian president was keen to "teach Ukraine another lesson". So he attacked Taurida instead of Polisia, leaving the gate wide open for Hungary to gain even more resources and become even stronger."
That's what I have been crying all day yesterday. This is beyond reason, Moldova should be booted big time...
PS: so why do we have MPP with Moldova and not Ukraine??
Apparently...
8-3=1 wrote 15 hours ago
who was the stupid who attacked Taurida instead of Polisia??
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You missed several points in this conflict, willingly or not : )
Ukraine should be kicked of EDEN, and MOldova should join EDEN, and all the problems will be solved.
@Ms.Carmen:
The main point is Moldova's actions are helping Hungary and ONE. Hungary had lost the grain from Crisana but recovered it form Volhynia. Soon they will get access to fish and saltpeter as well.
Both sides are to be blamed, neither is Snow White, pure and virginal. However the fact remains that Hungary has now open access, thanks to _two_ Moldavian _deliberate_ actions. And both times I had asked the Md president to do the right thing.
SergiuSky:
After Moldova helped Hungary gain access to grain and after Moldova left the door open so Hungary gains also access to fish and saltpeter, it is hard to support Moldova's membership in EDEN.
Ukraine should be kicked of EDEN, and MOldova should join EDEN, and all the problems will be solved.
Ucraine will not be kicked from EDEN and Moldova will not be allowed there. This is obvious
". Soon they will get access to fish and saltpeter as well."
Where, in Tauridia?😁))))))
@MisteriousMan
That sound like ONE propaganda. Lot's of Ukrainians ignore this stupid war and still fight in EDEN epics.
@vali71:
If Moldova somehow gets Taurida, Hungary and the whole ONE will RW it when the Huns gain a border with it.
You are simply doing their dirty job. And you are even proud of that!
Huns never gain a border with it.
Stop!
Well, i feel some kind of illogical defense mode here. Ukraine wanted to remove Moldova from map. Eden didn't say no to that. Actually supported this leaving Moldova without the possibility to sign MPPs with EDEN states.
Moldova decided to fight and now Ukraine has a problem. Sure, the big daddy has to come now to solve the problems created by the "innocent son".
It's nice to blame Moldova for having MPPs with ONE states as only ONE states wanted to help us.
Interesting vote + sub
Grain: Dobrogea , Oltenia , Crisana
Cattle: Transilvania , Moldova
Deer: Maramures , Bucovina
Oil: Muntenia
If Ukraine is such a good ally why don't they do like SaF for example in relation with Brazil ?
@unualibro:
You have to answer for your own actions, just like they have to answer for theirs.
YOU allowed Plato to attack in Bassarabia in spite of me personally telling you Hungary must be stopped by closing the gate via Podolia-Volhynia. As a result Hungary got access to grain.
YOU pushed the button on Taurida in spite of me personally telling you Hungary needs to be stopped in Polisia since you failed to stop them in Volhynia.
mihail.cazacu, at this point you have right. It's a strategical failure. Polisia it's prio nr.1 The Hungary must be stoped in North of Ucraina with a tampon region taken by Moldova.
@unualibro:
You have no excuse for not slamming the gate in front of Hungary because you did not need _any_ cooperation from Ukraine in order to do it.
No matter what Ukraine did, cooperate or not, YOU had the possibility to keep Hungary in an inferior situation and you refused to do that.
Cozile de topor sunt gata sa vanda Moldova oricui, inclusiv ucrainenilor ... doar pentru o bucata de slanina.
Миша Казачьок, успокойся и не выпендривайся, ты же не пуп еRepa.
mihail.cazacu:
"No matter what Ukraine did, cooperate or not, YOU had the possibility to keep Hungary in an inferior situation and you refused to do that."
and why do we have to do this? Eden refused to sign MPP's with Moldova, Eden refused membership to Moldova, Eden fights for Ukraine, and MOldova should save Ukraine's back?
Why?
All Moldova needs is Truth.
mihail.cazacu, what it is about that: оголошено про підписання НАПу Сербія-Угорщина-Румунія-Хорватія, на відміну від НАПу Болгарія - Туреччина, про “малі” країни ЕДЕНу Албанію, Україну, БіХ не було сказано жодного слова. Такі діє топових країн членів альянсу ЕДЕН, фактично підставляв їх під випил.
Жодні з цих країн не були запрошені на перемовини про підписання (якщо зрозуміло не вважати таким запрошенням чат МоФ Хорват Румунії Угорщини, на який був запрошений наш МЗС, і де йому було оголошено, що Угорщина планує захопити 8 наших регіонів і послідовність захоплення).
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-president-1-2066310/1/20
Cazacu: one minor aspect. What is the cooperation agreement between Moldova and EDEN so we can get orders from EDEN.
...as long as you are able to make the difference between an ORDER and a REQUEST.
Казачьок, прочитай что думают украинцы о своем президенте
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-2068933/1/20
unrealistic demands, insults, inflated egos and ardent desires to teach the other side a lesson x2
I was unhappy about this war from beginning and until now. I just hope that Ukraine already had its lesson and ready to reject the arrogance towards its allies. I hate this arrogance. It is impossible for a diplomat to work in such atmosphere.
Cazacu to the rescue of the Ukrainians?
As you said two wrongs never make a right. Now go punish Moldova for the fact you refused them MPPs, for failing to curb down the Ukrainian propaganda, for not stopping this conflict when it occurred.
Both sides are to blame and I find it rather nice and repetitive 🙂
Of course since it benefits ONE and to an extent my country I will be happy to sit back, grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.
@Mircea Voda:
Intamplator vorbesc si ruseste. Si daca tu crezi ca e o insulta sa scrii ruseste cand mi te adresezi, ai nimerit-o prost. Dar prost rau de tot.
Cat despre ce scriu ucrainienii despre prostiile facute de guvernul lor, aia nu va da voua vreo scuza sa faceti propriile tampenii.
@unualibro:
You helped Hungary gain grain. Then you let the door open so they can get also fish and saltpeter. You need a special agreement to prevent Hungary from getting stronger?
As I was writing, based on your actions we can conclude you guys consider yourselves Romanians only when you need Romania's help.
For the rest of the time you have no problem helping Hungary get more bonuses than Romania.
Keep up the good work!
@mihail.cazacu
"Si daca tu crezi ca e o insulta sa scrii ruseste cand mi te adresezi, ai nimerit-o prost."
Nu consider ca a te adresa in limba rusa este o insulta, limba rusa este o limba nu mai putin frumoasa decat romana.
Am scris in rusa pentru a te ajuta sa intelegi exact mesajul. Din cate am inteles, limba romana nu este limba ta materna ... de aici si predispunerea la tradare (a romanilor).
Deci, tu spui ca Moldovei ar trebui sa-i pese mai mult de Eden decat ii pasa Ucrainei? De ce? Pentru ca Eden n-a semnat nici un MPP cu noi si ne-a lasat de izbeliste in fata Ucrainei? Am avut noroc de romani ca ne-au ajutat "la negru", ca daca era dupa Eden si azi eram sub ocupatie.
@Mircea Voda:
Ai inteles totul prost, de la inceput pana la sfarsit. Inclusiv partea cu limba materna.
Iar la capitolul tradare, vezi ca pana una-alta voi ajutati Ungaria sa depaseasca Romania la bonusuri. Asta in timp ce Romania are un razboi activ cu Ungaria.
Spor la treaba in continuare! Va descurcati de minute, fratii nostri de peste Prut.
@basar:
Da, romanii v-au ajutat la negru, atata vreme cat luptati pentru teritoriile moldovenesti.
Iar drept multumire pentru ajutorul romanesc, voi ati lasat Ungaria sa ia grau, dupa ce-l pierduse in Crisana, si le dati drumul si la peste si la salpetru.
Adica in timp ce Romania lupta cu Ungaria, voi ne multumiti pentru ajutorul dat, facand Ungariei mai multe bonusuri decat are Romania.
Vorba proverbului romanesc: "facerea de bine e f*tere de mama"
Marea grija a Ucrainei nu sunt potentialele bonusuri pe care le-ar avea Ungaria si impactul asupra Eden, ci e sa nu "traiasca rusinea" de a fi stearsa de Moldova. De asta lupta cu atata ardoare impotriva noastra. Nu e responsabilitatea Eden sa aiba grija intai in cotetul lor apoi sa ne dea ordine? De ce nu-i obligati pe ucraineni sa vina la tratative? De ce ukrii ne trateaza in continuare cu dispret, nu ridica un deget sa opreasca conflictul si tot noi suntem scosi tapi ispasitori.
Ma lasi ?
Moldovenii au ajutat mereu eRO dar cand au avut nevoie ce a facut ro? A intors spatele. Daca UKR sunt tolomaci si nu au vrut sa scoata NE sa fie sanatosi. Sa i sodomizeze ungurii pana se satura.
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@basar:
Voi daca impiedicati Ungaria sa ia grau din Volhynia si sa scape spre peste si salpetru, atunci ajutati Romania, de care ziceti ca va pasa, si care v-a ajutat sa va aparati si recuperati teritoriile.
Dar conteaza mai mult sa le dati voi ucrainenilor o lectie, nu?
Si nici nu le-o dati voi, ca 1 la 1 va rad aia (de-aia si aveati nevoie de noi, sa va ajutam "la negru" - inclusiv eu am luptat pentru voi pana cand ati atacat Bassarabia si Taurida).
@Rondy Rondy:
Eu te-as lasa, doar ca uite ce chestie: Ungaria e in razboi direct cu Romania si in loc sa piarda bonusuri, castiga!
Ghici cine sodomizeaza de fapt pe cine?
Hai ma sa fim seriosi. Nu a fost nici macar un raspuns pentru eMD cand a inceput trainingul warul asta degenerat. De ce nu au fost trasi de urechi amandoi . UKR ca membru de aliante , MD ca si frate mai mic?
De ce au refuzat sa stearga NE pe moldova daca navaleau hunii? Nu era mai usor de evitat daca EDEN HQ il "sfatuiau" pe "presedintele toiPU" ukr sa stearga NE ?
And the glorious Turkish-Bulgarian NAP was cancelled mihail. 🙂
@mihail.cazacu
Ucraina trebuie sa invete ceva, romanii trebuie sa invete ceva iar pentru EDEN este ultima sansa sa inteleaga ceva!
Decizia de a ataca Taurida in loc de a ii bloca pe huni, este interpretabila, insa in contextul in care tarile din alianta nu mai colaboreaza intre ele, strategia este mai putin importanta pentru ca oricum esecul este astfel garantat, macar tratam problema de fond!
@Rondy Rondy:
Fiecare raspunde pentru ce face. Nu exista nicio scuza ca "si celalalt s-a purtat ca un bou".
Indiferent de ce facea Ucraina, Moldova avea posibilitatea sa impiedice Ungaria sa ajunga la bonusuri in timp ce Romania si Ungaria sunt inclestate intr-un razboi.
Asadar Romania a ajutat Moldova sa ramana pe harta, a ajutat-o sa isi ia inapoi regiunile ocupate, si ce face Moldova in schimb?
Da bonusuri Ungariei!
Bine lucrat!
Nu e deloc interpretabila, Moldova ajuta Ungaria impotriva noastra, ce-i asa greu de priceput? Bonusuri mai mari inseamna forta mai mare!
soldatii romani tin Moldova pe harta, iar ei ce fac, ajuta Ungaria sa aiba bonusuri cat mai mari.