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o7 Unity!! What a concept - great idea Ralph!

U is for Unity. Let's get all those other letters of eCanada in-line behind it.

You crazy bastard.

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o7 Unity!!

i like the idea o7

Brilliant! o7

If the CSD joins the CAF the CAF will have to forfeit it's funding because it will no longer be Apolitical.

@ Muglack : because you say so?
Working towards unity here, not the world according to Muglack.

@ Muglack: This act from Ralph and the CSD shows that their MU is beyond their politics. And that with CSD Canada comes first.

@ Ralph: Legend! o7

Ralph is awesome, nuff said.

Love the idea o/

if CSD becomes a unit of CAf do they still have to retain CPP membership to stay in your unit

lol i've suggested unity for all of our MUs before but some didn't like my idea ,i see it now comes true .
Ralph Kline o7
hope all consider this idea ,let's unite our soldiers ,lets build a strong country ,lets leave our differences behind and let's be a real nation that all eWorld consider and respect it .
FOR UNITY

And so at the end of the day, your only asking that MU's follow the campaign orders issued by the CAF. Seems pretty straight forward to me. As long as Leadership decisions (read membership, supplies, commanders, etc) are left to the MU to decide I don't see how this is anything short of WIN!

I pitched the notion of a "Joint Chief's of Staff" back when I was CP. It was an effort to try and unite the CAF, Crimson, and other militias under one umbrella. It worked pretty well too back when the old "tile fighting" system was in play.

If we can harness the full power and potential of our MU's under one umbrella while maintaining individual autonomy over the units, the overall end result and gains for the Country could be astounding.

Id like to see where this goes...perhaps the next step is to bring the "MU leaders" into a summit and hash out the details?

Part of the CAF will be political, more than half of their roster if you merge CAF and CSD,

So does the members of the CSD will be part of the HC of the CAF? Will they have access to their IRC channel and to the CAF supply?

I don't like it. MU should not be political.

o7

Great idea.

I hope this is not an attempt for the CSD to get funding indirectly via the CAF.

Get CAF funding and if your in CPP on top of that you get extra funding via Ralphie. Seems like a division creater in itself.

establishing better communication would essentially accomplish the same thing with less complications~

and ~hyuu~ : )

Rylde is correct. The reason CSD doesn't get funding is because of it's political standing. It wouldn't get funding under the CAF either.

To me this sounds like double dipping (getting CAF funding and what CSD's politically aligned members get on top).

*sigh*
@ Xichael
The reason CSD doesn't get funding if because I have always refused funding. I created the political standing but "I" am not looking for funding, I am trying very hard to give funding and make the military of this country stronger. The narrow mindedness and fear that comes from those that fear loosing the tiniest bit of political capital is staggering. This is one of the biggest reasons we fail as a country. Really, what I propose is a not a threat but an advantage. Some choose to see this advantage being given to someone else besides them as unfair. I suppose we could expect that everyone in the nation regardless of their effort or political stripe progresses at the same pathetic linear rate. I don't and I won't. I think we can and should do better, if this leads some to cry unfair that is too bad. Without real money and flexibility "we" as eCanadians will never be any more than we are right now.

In case you didn't notice Xichael, people already double dip. There are TCO and CAF members in the CSD who get funding from both. And it was voted by congress to allow them to continue.

@ CFovetS: You can't say someone is dipping into anything if they're working in a slave pit.

@ Xichael: Just because the CAF is known for having a long history of corruption does not mean other MUs operate the same way. And Rylde is never correct.

CSD will be following Government Battle orders in the CAF MU. How is that political? Sounds like CSD is setting an example.

Well when the CPP PP and the CAF/CSD MU leader will not agree on a political issue, it will be fun to watch.

Unless you bought the PP by giving him free tanks, than it will be pathetic.

Why not drop the political stuff and join us. Would love to see more soldiers in the CAF.

@Max Maher: Why would it matter if they didn't agree on a political issue? CSD will merely be following battle orders. Doesn't seem political to me

Didnt the CSD merge with the CNC over a year ago into what is now EPIC?

@ Max Maher
I think you believe this would affect you or those you represent somehow, if so, how?
I believe this is only about political power and sour grapes but feel free to explain.

@ Powerown
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Canadian_Social_Democrats

Sounds like someone wants to start a club within the CAF.

That's fine by me.

If your plan could be put into action, I would like to request a transfer from the marines of the CAF to the CSD division. I'm already a CPP member, the only reason I have not joined CSD earlier is because when it came to defense of my nation I chose to fight with the nation army. This plan will allow me to fight along side my CPP buddies 🙂

There is a MU Communication section on the forums which should be used to better communications, not merging two very different units together into one.

There are better (and easier) ways to communicate than this.

The Joint Chiefs idea as put forward by Acacia sounds more likely to succeed to me. I doubt you'll find enough support to make such a merger work Ralph. A bold move none the less.

Ralph, my first thought when I read this is: why not! I salute this audacious initiative you're starting; to begin discussions on merging is already tough and don't satisfy everybody.

Technically, we could create a new division called CSD, more or less autonomous for its staff management with the same kind of access than CAF officers and High command for your guys. That is the easiest part and I see no issue.

In this context, I think this potential merging would be beneficial for both, but many problems may emerge. The first issue is already pointed out: funding. The CAF Code of Conduct is clear: CAF is apolitical, and we have no intention to get round this internal rule. Having a political division (CSD-CPP) would mean big problems with Congress and with our own funding and status.

The fact that CSD currently don't have funding comes from 2 decisions:
- You (Ralph Kline) chose not to be subsidized, and you have all my respect for this decision!
- Congress doesn't allow a clearly-political MU to receive funding, and you have read the debate last month.

Now, is there a way to sidestep this issue? Maybe. One of the possibilities I think about now is to have a joint MU, i.e. we have a common high command, common access, but CAF would become divided between CAF Regulars (current CAF) and CAF-CSD (current CSD). Both groups would have its financial independence, which means 2 Treasury Managers, 2 systems of supplies, and would still need to be considered as 2 MUs by Congress.

The other way to work this out financially is simply to have CAF-CSD falling under the CAF Treasury Manager's financial jurisdiction, and you get what CAF Regular members get in terms of supplies. But you still could have an internal commune/slave-pits program and manage it on your own. (That'd be a division program, which I encourage to have.) I already proposed it formerly to the MFC, but they refused.

Let's make it clear: it would be impossible to have a common treasury management with a double funding. Whether we divide it clearly for Congress (and simply have a joint HC) or Congress will simply consider us as a unique MU (and we'll have to leave with it).

If CSD is only a CAF division (and not a Congress-wise independent MU), "Division program" is still a good option. That'd probably be the way you'll be able to control and give supplies to your soldier without passing through the CAF Treasury Management. But that means no extra funding from Congress. Perhaps CAF could allocate a part of its "merged" budget for that kind of program: we could negotiate and calculate it.

What I bring forward are suppositions, options, opinions and first thoughts. That doesn't represent CAF's official opinion, even though I'm the CAF Treasury Manager.

In the meanwhile, we still can have a joint channel or give access to some of your High Command Officers to our channel and vice versa. (We already do that with TemujinBC.) I'll let Cozza decide what can be done. When I was MU General Coordinator, that was the kind of connections I wanted to see between MUs. 🙂

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Note: CSD will have problem getting funding as long as it is political. Self-funding might be to consider for you, but even if you are part of CAF, your members won't be allowed to have supplies and won't count in the budget calculations. We both know how Congress will manage this... 😉

@jfstpierre
I like what you are saying and I think we seek the same things. What I envision is a regiment of 50 soldiers very well supplied with weapons by my own resources. The CAF and the country gain a lot of firepower directed as the CP and High Command wish. The CSD gets to have a prestigious niche in the CAF we can call our own. As for the finer details of the legalities of funding, sounds like there are lot of ways to handle it. Once established, I truly believe that those who now see this as some kind of threat to the eCanada political scene, will realize it is quite the opposite.

p.s.
CSD will remain political as long as I am in charge of it and I don't need Congress funding. No offence to anyone but taking tax money to return it as is being done is bureaucracy and the net result is ineffective, it will simply never be enough to make a real difference.MU funding is going through the motions, but where are the results?

Ralph, how will we have just one regiment? Are all 75 members coming?

the regiment would be limited to the best 50 🙂
this is far from being a done deal though

You could make a Captain for the 2nd Regiment, Ralph. I'm not going to say who would be my pick. *cough* dhruvs *cough*

Why the CAF? All of the MU's could work together outside of the govwrnment and multiply our effectiveness.

I'm fine with this as long as the CSDers don't pick up on CAF funding when they join.

If it ain't broke why fix it?

What you have set up with the CSD Ralph is well beyond what the CAF is, The CSD is something on its own that has proven effective... why F!@# with that?

I still don't know if this idea is a joke or a real project, but for the moment, I'll just assume it's real. 😛

Thanks for the precision on political affiliation. (Financial) autonomy within CAF would be an option to consider then. I'll let the other CAF HC read your article and think about it for now. If we have the chance to talk, might be better than public speculations, vague suggestions and potential problems to consider!

After reading all of the comments above, I have to say... I support this idea and think it should happen.