Lack of Politics
orangejuicemmm
I'd like to address an obvious problem I see in the current political landscape of eIreland; the severe lack of Party Politics.
A Little History Lesson.
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Years ago in eIreland there was an obvious conflict between political ideologies. Where members of individual parties openly argued and discussed the politics and direction that Ireland should go down for that upcoming term of Presidency. The community was active and enjoyable and it created a well respected and political crop of players. Individuals like Theus Jackus, Top Gun, Patton, etc. It was glorious. Each party had a strict manifesto and beliefs which were followed by it's members. In the early days it was largely Right wing politics. Some promoting complete capitalism with no government intervention into the markets at all, whilst others believed in moderate government intervention through the MM and markets in order to make money but also to provide supplies. You had other members ignoring the economics of it all and focusing on republicanism and attempting to regain Northern Ireland from the UK. This was the political landscape of Ireland for years until the emergence of the left in Ireland. Brian Boru was the main man behind leftism in Ireland and was supported by the Irishbhoy1967 and the Labour Party. Quickly the ideas of the Labour Party became the norm and the left had completely established itself in Ireland as it had around the world. Communes were now the only way armies functioned and the outdated IDF was disbanded and replaced by the Irish Army which was a fully commune based army focusing on Irish interests.
Fast forward to today.
The original ideas implemented all those years ago by the Labour Party are the norm nowadays with most of our MU's operating a communal structure. But this has created a political stagnation to fester over Ireland. Nobody is offering new ideas, most parties don't even have ideas.
The IFP have given up and are just an old establishment with little or no direction. They offer non of their previous disdain for leftist politics and continue to just carry on month from month with little or no political activity. Offering no alternative methods for the country.
Even the left in Ireland these days are simply existing. The ILP, since it's creation, has shown very little ingenuity in it's manifestos and is simply living off of the previous success and hard work of the left parties before it. At no point has their Presidents or membership shown fight or drive to improve the political, social and economical landscape of Ireland or further the cause of the left. For no reason, other than self benefit was the ILP even founded. It is unnecessary. There was/is a perfectly good, well thought out, left driven Party that should have facilitated those members no in the ILP. They divided the left whilst offering very little positivity from their actions.
Eire Aonair, the new Voices, is by nature, the only Party of any actual substance left in Ireland (bar the new/old Labour Party) today and that in it's self is quite detrimental to how active Ireland is politically. It has become the norm to simply represent oneself and not associate with any political thinkings but individually their members don't fight for a cause or their beliefs regardless of how similar they may be to various parties. There is no cooperation between like minded people any more.
Ideologies in Ireland don't exist any more..or at least didn't. I hope with the Labour Party being "reborn" it can have a unifying effect on left in Ireland but also inject activity in the right. Myself as a Labour Party member with strong beliefs of that orientation welcome the individuals and parties left in Ireland to offer some sort of alternative to the Labour Party teachings.
Yours truly and respectfully,
Orangejuicemmm
Comments
Miau?
I can see your points but I prefer this to a nation afflicted with constant party bickering, to the point were some members would rather see there nation led under one party fail rather then see that party lead the nation to success.
Just look at eCanada as a prime example of what this 'party politics' can lead to
I believe that "it should be eIreland vs the game, not eIrish vs each other."
It's not about party bickering. It's about Party politics. Most of Canadas problems were problems with individuals not ideologies.
you believe that people pushing ideologies will not come to the same individual problems with those with opposing ideologies in this game?
If the past is anything to go by it was possible to create such a society. Granted, bickering isn't necessarily bad either once it's about the right things.
Has eIreland turned into individual problems and no longer ideological fighting. (As kinda pointed out in article)
I also doubt you coud truely push party politics anymore and my blame rest on the likes of the admins not the eIrish.
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Really I think we had very active party politics, but then the game became more military-focused at the expense of the socio-political aspect.
Irish will always fight with each other. Others do not possess the same wit to make it interesting enough for us.
So true, how we all miss the good old days, when the economy and MM were ripe for plundering, now its just click & fight, no brains needed
Wat was the name of the party u & moo founded?
For the sake of nostalgia help me remember pls
It had mr burns as its logo
the economic free thinkers society
Now the days of the EFTA those were my best & undoubtedly most favorite time of the game! Not just because I loved the party so much, but because there was competition for the left & right!
Ah ye ty (-:
One of very few opposition parties I truly respected.
Great article OJ i read it twice o7
Everything you said is true.
With your new baby shouldnt you have contacted the last papa or pp of the labour party first for his disapproval.
As last PP of "The Labour Party" I am appalled at you wanting to steal my party name from me. How dare you sir. HOW DARE YOU?.
First of all: party politics? Kill It With Fire!
Secondly: Use More Fire Just to be Sure..
It's more like party competition than party politics...
Yeah, there is a huge difference in perceptive when people say "Party Politics". If you're referring to the practice of disagreeing with someone because they aren't in your party regardless of their merit, overly criticizing and ignoring the positives of their contributions because they aren't in your party and seeking electoral victory over another party for the sake of it (i.e. without vision or objective)... then I'd agree with Sweets, burn it with fire.
Politics, all too often, descends into that bullsh*t. The fact EA is the only prominent "politically active" party which promotes individual merit regardless of party membership (and yeah, that involves cross party cooperation for similar goals of individual EA members who have similar minds... no lone rangers just because not everyone is sucking each other off) is a blessing.
However, said it before, the politics which isn't role-playing shadow government crap is a respectful one which has an aim and objectives. Which A) does not require zealot asswipes who'd argue the earth is flat to achieve its goal, 😎 members of party are able to criticize the leadership's method of achieving a goal (in public) without fear of reprimand, C) understands when an objective has failed, or an aim has not worked, and continually seeks to improve itself without the huff and puff of hurt egos.
The calls for Party Politics is all too often a guise for sly politicking. Often a practice Winston gets accused of, and not sure that's the sort of practice you want comparing to OJ. Party Politics is just more "camps" and closed minds.. Politics with a purpose does not require a cohort of yes-men, otherwise its a crappy purpose.
I don't infighting and bickering in eIreland, obviously. But what I do want is proper politics in Ireland and not just random people running for office and doing the exact same thing that was done the month before.
No one has ideas anymore, no one has direction or ambition politically. Party politics all too often is confused as a negative thing but in fact it promotes activity and innovation politically which is something we have been largely missing. Maybe bickering and infighting is what we need for a time to get this place up and running.
As Tim Sherwood said recently.."too many just want to be friends with each other"
I will agree with you OJ that differences of opinion can lead to innovation and experimentation.
I think much has to do with the past. We had quite a bit of harsh fighting in the old days that lead to comments like Sweet who wants to "Kill it with fire". We tried to get past that and maybe went too far in the opposite direction. I think as time has passed everyone has kind of figured out how to "play the game" instead of trying to recreate the real world in eRep. People brought ideologies into the game and tried to make them work. Now people still have the same ideas and beliefs but "game play" is more important.
Competition etc promotes activity, yeah - but you can have it without makes camps. If someone in Labour performed a great feat or came up with a great idea, anyone from any party shouldn't feel they have to bash it because of the source.
Nah, party politics has shown time again that it can not discipline itself away from the bad practices of camp behaviour, which leads to infighting which buggers up our cooperation, coordination etc etc.
I agree OJ. A good idea is a good idea no matter who comes up with it and should not be criticized on account of who came up with it.
But by default it does lead to an "us vs. them" attitude.
Good people can rise above that but it can be difficult.
When someone puts my name in a sentence with OJ I want to vomit
Awh you poor baby..does baby want a hug..
True.
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I think the ILP is the only thing keeping the Left alive in eIreland. But I agree with you on how inactive and boring we've become.
ILP aren't left at all Colin. They claim to be but they have never done any left policies. They are a populist party.
I would disagree with that assessment, at least partially. They haven't seized the day when in power, bar MikeBane's attempts, which is a serious problem with them. Your assessment that they're a populist party is largely correct though, but every party has been lately out of necessity. We needed the unity to get into an alliance structure.
I guess I can't say I am much of an authority to talk about eIrish history heh
You could say I'm the supreme authority on eIrish history, being one of the few sane players to have played and lurked since beta... But then, I suspect Bhane would be quick to point out that I have a partisan view of it as well 😛
John Gormley for President!
In short OJ talk about good old days when he as CP of Ireland stole everything from irish vault, got impeached and then he let others to pay back for what he stole.
Coz he is that great irish patriot.....
Essentially
TL,DR version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBl8Ddsaf4U
Or just: "those damn commies ruined everything QQ"
I was here for some of that party back and forth. I like the idea of having different ideologies being bounced around. I personally have always had trouble kind of understanding politics but that's because my own IRL ideals are more apathetic. In game though I would most certainly enjoy exchanging ideas, but I'm going to have to agree with Colin that this game is all about the war aspect. Come in, buy gold (this point is VERY important), and do it again until SOMEONE WINS *flexes muscles*. Meanwhile those who would like to engage in a more mental and social action are forced to go to IRC which is often inactive or or difficult given time zones and all that. I do hope we can come up with ideas to add a different dimension to the game rather than buying gold. Admins ruin their own game, I swear.
TL😉R - It'd be nice to have more interaction in the game rather than just gold buying/fighting.