[SWE] The truth about the Sweden-Germany conflict
Svenska Statens Infocenter
This is an article written by the Swedish government regarding the situation between Sweden and Germany.
Sweden has ever since the foundation of Atlantis, been one of the core nations in the alliance, we’ve been called “the rock of Atlantis”. Sweden has, after Romania, been the nation dealing the most damage in battles and we’ve spent many thousands of gold protecting other Atlantis countries. We have offered to lend massive amounts of gold to nations in need of it. We’ve sent our army all over the world to prevent TO. When Norway got TO by Hungary, who then threatened to attack and conquer Finland, we prevented them by taking the bordering region between the two countries, and we paid for it ourselves, for the good of Atlantis. We’ve never asked for anything in return for all these favors. But now we ask Atlantis to not let Germany join Atlantis. Germany is not an Atlantis member, but a trial member. Sweden does not request Atlantis to kick out a member, only to not let Germany join Atlantis.
The question why Sweden wants to attack Germany is the one that is most frequently asked. The history between Sweden and Germany dates back a long time, and we have been at war several times. The war that has any relevancy now is the second one. The second time we attacked Germany, it was because of the polish political takeover that occurred after Germanys conquering of Poland. So basically, what we did was to help Germany get rid of their polish congress. This action was something that a lot of well-known Germans, such as DKN, agreed with. In the meantime we spoke to Poland about releasing their original regions as soon as possible. Sweden was also going to give Germany back the country when the time was right. At the end of the beta period Germany wanted the country back, which was impossible because Admin had turned off the RW feature until V1 was released.
A short time after V1 was released Sweden gave Germany half of the country back and kept the other half to be returned as soon as “Operation French toast”, a failed Atlantis attack on France, was over. The deal Sweden made with the government in Germany was that after the war with France, Sweden would give back all the remaining regions except for Schleswig-Holstein, which Sweden would keep permanently because it was a High Grain region. Sweden’s original regions do not contain any High regions, while Germany had 3, all of them in grain. “Operation French Toast” was unsuccessful, and Sweden were about to give Germany back the regions. But in the 10th of January Germany started RW in all the regions with massive amounts of help from PEACE GC, spitting on Sweden and our deals. Germany and PEACE managed to take back every region from Sweden, even Schleswig-Holstein. Germany got a Swedish Q5 DS in the region after the RW as well due to a bug. After that we spent four months trying to negotiate peace with Germany which we both would be happy with. We wanted to get SH back and get paid for our Q5 DS. The response we got was that we could buy SH from Germany for 5000 gold! After that the negotiations with Germany has been at a standstill, especially as it for a long time looked as Germany was going to join PEACE GC. But Germany decided to become a passive member of Atlantis, something Sweden voted Yes for in the Atlantis forum. We thought that this was a perfect chance to finally get peace with Germany. But that is something that has yet to happen.
In the short time that Germany has been a trial member in Atlantis, they’ve already been able to leak secret Atlantis information. Sweden has given Germany chance after chance to be trustworthy and every time they spit in not only our face but in Atlantis face as well. Sweden has done all we can to negotiate with Germany, but it has not matter what we have offered them, they always want more. They are unreasonable and untrustworthy, which they have proved time after time, and we Swedes refuse to let them spit in our faces any longer. That’s why we no longer see any other way out of this. Sweden’s last offer to Germany has been sent to them, an offer which has been leaked to the UK, who then posted it in an article posted in Sweden.
Comments
First of all, what does the banning of the account Karl Holm have to do with anything here? That's just ridiculous. And erhm... "[...]stayed diplomatic to find a solution[...]"? Wait, you tried to negotiate with Swedish officials? That's a big load of crap. We haven't heard a single serious proposal to try and find a peaceful solution to this.
I mean come on, you gave us an offer (cannot mention any details as we actually respect the word "Secrecy"), then you stated, behind our back, that you wouldn't help us in the plan YOU suggested. You were planning on backstabbing us yet again, even though you were our allies. Sweden has done so much for Germany, and you've done absolutely nothing to pay us back.
For those of you who are still unsure about eSwedens honesty and their supposed attempts to "negotiate", you can get a glimpse of the "quality" of their socalled proposals in the following article:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sweden-a-disgrace-for-atlantis-802635/1/all" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/swed[..]/all
This "proposal" is what was sent to the eGerman people yesterday.
It is not of relevance why the Swedes want to wage war against the Germans, but whether they have "right to" or not. I don't really know if they do - I'm a new player and haven't had the chance to witness these mentioned events between eSweden and eGermany unfold.
Now the matter of the fact is, that eFinland will stay neutral regarding this feud. Sure, this might change if the majority of our citizens demand it (maybe this will be someone's theme in the next presidential election. eSweden is a friend of eFinland, and we won't step on their toes in order to defend eGermany. The majority of our politicians feel that this move by the Swedes is a mistake, but we're all allowed to make them, right?
If you want clarification on what neutral means in this case, it means that we won't help eSweden during their offensive in eGermany by supplying troops, weapons or money. Obviously we won't help eGermany either. If the tide turns and the Swedes will have to retreat within their own borders (i.e. Danmark), we will provide assistance to stop the counter-offensive.
Like I said, this stance may change with the next presidential or even congress elections. With the next elections we may very well be ruled by Hungarian goons, though. (see: Finno-Ugric Party http://www.erepublik.com/en/party/finno-ugric-party-2272/1)" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/party/finno-[..]2/1)
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Mokkero
eFinland's Minister of PR
I can only quote: "After that we spent four months trying to negotiate peace with Germany which we both would be happy with. We wanted to get SH back and get paid for our Q5 DS. The response we got was that we could buy SH from Germany for 5000 gold!"
Yeah, that's what I call a reasonable offer.
That was NOT my government for gods sakes, you guys are killing me.
Read what I wrote in my initial comment. I found these offers as ridiculous as you, THATS WHY I RAN FOR OFFICE. So don't make ME responsibile for something that I despised as much as you did, just because im german.
In case you still didn't get it, you have an ALLY and FRIEND in charge now in eGermany.
Learn to differentiate.
In reference to prior comments as a nobody I'd like to state the fact that in politics a goverment has to pay for the sins of their father's.
What German official(s) states here that all the past scandalous history of (blame me for overreacting) deceit isn't and will not be washed clean by a quick swap of governing.
As a direct reply to Starked Rorlikson; you stepped in the middle of a s*@#tstorm by yourself, deal with it for in a month someone else is going to just as knee-deep as you are if not worse.
That is as a hung overed common eCitizen, mind ye.
Maggo, +1
I still think it isn't too bright an idea, but I support Sweden nevertheless and wish you success.
Cut the crap and let's fight, eh? 😉
Yes, Sweden HAS been the shield of Atlantis. Also, eFinns HAVE fro the most parts been ready to hand their elifes in Swedish hands any day.
Until now.
As the goverment has stated, Finns will be loyal allies to Sweden, but I'm afraid it might be "just" allies in the near future. We and Atlantis didn't really need this and there would had been other routes for high grain also.
Hope PEACE will remember to send some eFlowers to Kalle, he's deserved those.
Finnish goverment may support you, but we Finns won't tolerate your imperialistic campaign against our ally.