Open letter to Rosa
MaryamQ
Dear Rosa,
As your comment on my most recent article was too long to address properly in the comment section, let me attempt to do so here. I quote your post in its entirety in italics.
Dear MaryamQ, is it love you feel when you are taking behind my backs on your Discord channel, as a friend informed me?
It is hard to answer this when I don’t know exactly what was said at the time, so cannot remember what I was feeling, but I can assure you I have continually felt love for SFP and most of its members for a long time. It is much more difficult to behave lovingly to people who attack them individually and collectively, but I do try, at least until my patience has been exhausted.
Is it love when your friends publish false accusations & slander me in public?
Again, I don’t know what you are claiming as false accusations and slander. I think even you must admit that I have never attacked you personally. I have, however, seen countless attacks, false accusations, and slanders from you and chickensguys directed at my friends. I have seen homophobic slurs, racist comments, accusations of fascism, and on and on. Yes, I have seen some of them react in kind, but as I saw it, their comments were provoked by you, not once, but repeatedly and continuously. I love my friends here. I love my RL LGBTQ friends and family. Although it is a learning process for a white woman from a very white state, I do my best to be sensitive to racial issues. If I have to choose whom to treat lovingly, it will not be those who attack others on these issues, falsely or otherwise.
Is it love when your dear friend Tyler Bubblar harasses me in almost every comment in my articles & now even with shouts to his friend? Or those nasty ad hominem trolling coming from TheNorm?
This is somewhat puzzling, honestly. I would not call Tyler Bubblar my dear friend. I have had very little interaction with him, and some of it has not been particularly friendly on my side. It is only recently that I have come to appreciate some of his good qualities.
As for TheNorm, I know him to be one of the kindest, most generous people I have ever known. If he makes nasty, ad hominem attacks, I know it is not unprovoked, and it is usually because he sees a party he has loved and worked for way before you showed up there is being destroyed.
How can you justify people calling someone mentally ill, just to discredit him?
Is this acceptable?
No, this is not acceptable. I am myself subject to chronic major depression, as are several members of my family. I have friends in-game who are bipolar and have been mercilessly bullied. I have had a friend from the game who was struggling with his sexual identity and drug abuse, who committed suicide about a year ago. One of my dearest friends in game has autistic members in her family One of my nephews has Down syndrome. I have fought for many years against people who attacked others on the basis of their sexuality, mental or physical illness or disability. Nobody knows who is on the other side of the screen or what burdens they may be carrying in real life. However, I will point out that you are not without guilt on this score yourself.
And is it love when you bully against me, present lies in form of "you do this & that" without proof, without reason.
Show me when and where I have done that. Even my articles, which you sometimes choose to take personally, have not mentioned you by name and are mostly about general principles.
It's not! It's hateful & sick!
Again, if I did that, you could say it was hateful, but not that it was unprovoked.
You are trying very hard to picture yourself as some kind of moral authority, your articles are sweet.mouthed & seducing. It's a quality role play, my dear, it doesn't depict you how you are!
Because you are vindictive, when it comes to silent someone who asks provoking questions, who dares to question authority. Then you say yes to exclusion, blacklisting & bans!
Frankly, I don’t care how you see me. I am not a moral authority, although I am fascinated by questions of morals and ethics. Those who actually know me can judge for themselves whether my game play matches my character. I can say that I have no problem with asking provoking questions and questioning authority. I do so myself from time to time. My problem is with people who poison the community with a continuous stream of filth and lies. I did say yes to removing you and chickensguys from Discord and the forum, but not before you had become so toxic that you were driving others away from the party, and not without a majority vote of the RC created according the constitution that you claim to honor. In addition, I did not propose this, nor would I ever have done so, but it was not hard to see the necessity for the good of the party. In this case, it was a matter of choosing the greater good over the rights of individuals.
And you are double-faced, because your weapon of not facing a debate with arguments is ignoring the same.
I have seen that arguments carry no weight with you. You do not debate. You rant. I have consciously avoided feeding into that. If that makes me double-faced, so be it.
And you are dishonest, because you don't see it necessary to judge your friends by the same criteria you judge me.
Honestly, I try not to be judgmental toward anyone; however, while I don’t always agree with what my friends say to and about you, it is not hard to see that they didn’t start this fight. If they attacked first, without provocation, I would not stand by that. In fact, I would be more likely to defend and befriend you. Unfortunately, that is not what I see happening.
Tell me please: why did I deserve to be treated like this? Why are you treating chickensguys the same way? And what did Harcourt do do deserve all that trash-talking against him, being bullied out of the SFP?
I think the questions about you and chickensguys have been adequately addressed here and elsewhere. It might surprise you to know that chickensguys and I engaged in a very civil debate on Discord recently, in which others were present and also remained civil. If you and he always behaved the way he behaved that night, nobody in the party would have any problem with you. On the other hand, also recently, several of us were subjected to really nasty PMs by your alternate personalities. You can deny it, if you wish, but there are multiple witnesses to your behavior, not only in SFP, but also in the Feds chat, and possibly elsewhere. I won’t publish what you wrote to me because it could get me a forfeit point, and the only one I have previously got was for standing on principle years ago, but rest assured, we do have screen shots.
Harcourt is a separate issue. I am not sure where you got your information, but I did not see any trash talking and bullying at all, and again, I think there are quite a few people who can corroborate my version of this. Instead, without going into detail, because the dialog is not mine to share, there was information presented to the RC that was not aimed at Harcourt at all, but which he chose to take personally. Unfortunately, in doing so, he did make personal attacks against the messenger, and that triggered an unpleasant dialog which ended in Harcourt’s decision to leave despite others’ assurances that he was welcome to stay.
Is it because they see me being in the right? Is it because they dare to support me? Is it because they have integrity & don't bow to that "hammer of reason" you swing?
I think I can say unequivocally no to these questions. Party members are permitted, even encouraged, to think for themselves, and are judged on their own merit. Harcourt, in particular, would still be welcome to full activity in the party if he had not chosen to leave.
I know you will probably not respond to this comment, because you ignore questions you can not answer.
So I shall leave you with this: try not to judge other people before making sure you don't make the same mistakes as they do. Try not to lecture others because of same practices you use.
Apparently you are mistaken. I am responding, point by point, despite my usual attempts not to feed into your little self-generated drama. I am aware I make mistakes. If you know anyone in eRepublik who doesn’t, please let us know, and we will nominate him/her for sainthood. I am also comfortable with my own integrity and the respect I have earned in many places in the game. If my statements of my philosophy come across as lecturing, I am sorry. I am merely trying to focus dialog in an area that has always interested me and which was inspired by things recently written by RF Williams.
And try to accept that everyone has the right to play this game as he/she wishes!
I do accept that, have always accepted that, but I do not believe that right extends to destroying the game for other players. If that is what I perceive you to be doing, be assured, I will continue to fight you.
Comments
https://youtu.be/WgOIEGz7o_s
The other role is that of a fake moralist. In our case it's played by MaryamQ. I'm not going to question her sincerity in writing her past article, named "Love & Revolution", but after reading the following one, "What do you mean", I could have not noticed the subtle conditioning that was used, in order to paint a picture of oneself, as a most righteous player, who engages with the game with love. Maybe because of this self-proclaimed righteousness, MaryamQ reserves her right to judge? Now, before she started writing it, she said the following on the party's "official" Discor😛
MaryamQ 1/12/2018, 5:36:44 AM
I am trying to work myself up to an article, about playing with love, partly inspired by a comment of Niemand's, partly by things I have been reading/discussing in RL. I'm curious to see how Rosa reacts.
How interesting! Let's see how that "love" is spread on the channel, shall we? And I'm not going to analyze her "love " for me, after all, I'm insignificant, not even worthy of her attention, as the following proves it:
MaryamQ 1/12/2018, 5:45:36 AM
Her game is to troll. She has always been a problematic player in her several iterations.
Actually, she's not even as good at trolling as some people I've dealt with, just annoyingly persistent.
And further on:
MaryamQ 1/14/2018, 10:57:08 PM
I agree with that, Leon. I have been trying to decide how and whether to respond to his whining on my article.
That's what makes him so mad. We are onto him.
Yes, indeed you are. That explains also the sudden mind-change, the new strategy of being "onto me", with a fierce media campaign, I might add. In response to the last writing & the points that are raised, I shall present you how her "love" is manifested towards other players, mainly players who dare to show sympathy for me or my cause. Let's start with this one:
MaryamQ 1/15/2018, 2:40:52 AM
Harcourt is really bent out of shape, and he's getting nasty. "😦"
Dillon Richards 1/15/2018, 2:41:05 AM
Yes he is.
TheNorm 1/15/2018, 2:41:52 AM
HARCOURT CAN GO F*** HIMSELF
Maxwell Hanz 1/15/2018, 2:42:07 AM
he comes here
Dillon Richards 1/15/2018, 2:42:17 AM
I'm getting pretty fed up with him. This is ridiculous.
MaryamQ 1/15/2018, 2:42:21 AM
_hugs TheNorm_
TheNorm 1/15/2018, 2:42:39 AM
im going afk ... im done with this bullshit
Harcourt Fenton Mudd 1/15/2018, 2:56:15 AM
Just fyi, so you know to resend my member privileges, I've left the party. Good luck, everyone.
MaryamQ 1/15/2018, 2:56:37 AM
Good luck to you.
Maxwell Hanz 1/15/2018, 2:56:49 AM
You don't have to leave
"😐"
Harcourt Fenton Mudd 1/15/2018, 2:57:39 AM
The SFP isn't the party I thought it was. I don't won't to be in it any longer.
Maxwell Hanz 1/15/2018, 2:58:10 AM
I understand. If you change your mind there will always be a place here for you
Harcourt Fenton Mudd 1/15/2018, 2:58:14 AM
I'm also not a Phil multi btw
Well done, Maryam & friends! Do you want to know Harcourt's crime? He has defended me on some occasions & dared to endorse my articles & comment them in a positive way. Again, good game, people. I hope all readers can literally feel the "love" here! Yes Harcourt, there will always be a place for you there, as Max tells it, if you want to be insulted, bullied & harassed!
Now someone might say that this is an isolated incident. Sorry to prove you wrong, because here's another example:
MaryamQ 1/12/2018, 5:41:54 AM
I'm kind of disappointed that she and Black Baroness are so tight, but I suppose she has always had a soft spot for bad boys.
Leon Gutierrez 1/12/2018, 5:42:18 AM(edited)
Idk anything about Black Baroness
MaryamQ 1/12/2018, 5:43:56 AM
She's an older player who drops in and out, also German, like Rosa. I used to be in her IRC channel.
Actually, Norm and I used a channel of hers for our eWedding. "😃"
This is the true face of our "lady on the high horse" of morality & love. Old friends are not permitted to show sympathy for that "evil" political opponent. Because you'll become a disappointment, you might start feeling the "love" of her eHusband, TheNorm. And I'm bringing this up, only because she writes in her article the following: "As for TheNorm, I know him to be one of the kindest, most generous people I have ever known. If he makes nasty, ad hominem attacks, I know it is not unprovoked,..." How about that? The hypocritical logic behind it: vicious personal attacks are justified, when you can make up an excuse of being provoked. I couldn't agree less. Personal attacks, as well as attacks that target peoples beliefs, religion, ethnicity or nationality are the root of all evil in this game. Nothing & no one, my dear Maryam, can justify that! Never!
This is the double-standard rule I've pointed out so many times, symptomatic for the SFP elite. For example: representatives of our elitist executive can come to the channel, trash-talk & insult you. But when you dare to use the same words, the wicked meta-master(s) will silence you with a ban in no time.
If you wish, please read again Maryam's open letter & count the numerous false claims & examples of untruthfulness - isn't it obvious.
Maryam & Norm, e-husband & e-wife, are two sides of the same coin: members of the same double-faced party-elite, who hijacked the game into the meta-realm, in order to control it. Not by game-rules & standards that apply to everybody, but by an autocratic system of domination, ownership (in case of Norm, the owner of the forum) & arbitrary laws, selectively applied. All those, who don't accept these conditions are powerless. Bow down or be cast away.
With the exception of discord over the last few days. I don't think you and I have interacted much if at all over the years. Except maybe when BeachBunny and I were running for CP and you were her VP. That said I don't remember it being anything but civil discourse. Anyway I look forward to getting to know you better.
Also this was a good point by point answer.
You are correct, Tyler. With regard to that election, I certainly hope I was not uncivil, but I do remember being rather frosty. I regret that and have for some time, and I apologize for it. Thank you for your kindness.
If memory serves I made a joke about catfish versus tuberculosis. Then there was some discussion about not going out for ice cream. I was being an ass. So I deserved some frost. It's water under the bridge. You have my apologies as well.
My answer is here:
[SFP] What's wrong with our party?
erepublik.com/en/article/2662061
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Very good response
>we’re ignoring Phil
>responds to him for the 1000th time
I don't have a huge desire to know everything that has been said. However I did skim the above as Maryam is a dear on-line friend. Unfortunately I don't speak with her much but have had I the past several PMs that were quite unrelated to eRep. I'm certian that if we were near each other's location in RL we would truly be friends.
Regarding my friends from the eUS, there are many who will attest that I'm not known to be a liar and don't misrepresent myself or others whom I recommend. But I can be quite vocal in voicing my opinions, especially when provoked. I take a dim view of anyone arrogant, that place themselves above those they disagree with assuming that only they could be correct. Tolerance is a gift that works both ways.
That said, here we go...
What a bitch! Do you have a real life? If you come to eRep to enjoy yourself I would pity anyone you live near in real life. I would not be surprised to find that your neighbors have restraining orders I force to keep you from verbally attacking them and their childeren in their own yards.
I take it you're gay. Whoopty do da day, I'm a 57 year old white male conservative Christian, you know, the people you'd like to burn at the stake. This is the point where you'll quit reading and go on a tirade calling me an intolerant hate filled racist bigot. Fair enough. Since we're making assumptions about each other I would say after reading what Maryam replied to you are likely intolerant of any views oath than your LBGTOPDQMOUSE agenda, right to choose infanticide, redistribution of wealth, everyone else is responsible for my f'ed up life, etc.
There, now that we have all the ugly crap out in the open let me address the rest of you. I know and respect gays, women, blacks, Mexicans, ad nauseam. Anyone that respects and tolerates me will recieve the same in kind. I do love an argument, it is a good way to compare differing views. (For those unaware, there is a big difference between argument and fight.)
Anyone care to start a pool for when I get the FP?
Hey dill! Long time no see. I do think we would be RL friends. I'm not so sure about your assumptions, but as always, you are not boring. 😉 How are things, anyway?
Hey kiddo! Well, like I said, no desire to know details, life's too short to read hours of Rosa's hate speach. If i misunderstood what this is about my apology to you. Short version is i don't take kindly to someone messing with my friends.
Cold as hell in Missouri this winter so far but supposed to be in the 50's, maybe even 60 by Sunday! Enjoying ice storms going south of us. Don't want any hurt or killed of course. Hope you're well.
No reason for you to apologize to me. I am 100% with you about people messing with my friends.
Maine is even colder, and there has already been way too much snow, but at least we are used to it up here. Stay warm and safe!
Well...it is 15 degrees in WNY right now with 5 feet of snow on the ground. My youngest is freezing he buns off since it is 22 degrees in Oklahoma. In short, it is FN cold everywhere....
40 at 3pm in central Missouri with snow rapidly melting. 🙂
o7
To answer in depth the questions raised by Rosa need so much attention and patience I couldn't bring forward. To tell so much of my personal belief, to explain why I have supported authoritarian steps against Rosa despite my liberal views would cost me too much time I don't want to invest in a game. MaryamQ you did was is needed but what is very difficult to do. You did what I wasn't able to do. There have been though times here so now and then, but I am glad that I have followed you to the eUSA otherwise I would have left eRepublik years ago.
Thanks and love!
It has always been a pleasure to play with you. You are one of my most admired friends. I'm glad you're still here. Thanks and love back to you!
Niemand is like that! ... You, I do not know
O7
Wow, pretty much an in your face answer.
Lots of talk about SFP, but Officers like you also makes what EZC is right now, a top notch MU.
I love it how Rosa says that you talk behind his "backs".
At least he is finally admitting he's running multis.
lol
Rosa hasn't made an actual comment so I'll make one for Phil:
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*u multi*EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Dorito, right?
Yeah, but I renamed, not a multi Phil
wow, lengthy answer.....
And yes.. I always had a soft spot for bad boys.
Rosa is a boy 😂 good to know. 🤣
Why do you all take this fucking game so serious? Playing a game is for having fun 🤔🤗. But seeing you all lost in stupid conversations and discussions with a troller, for me Rosa is a troller, I can't stop giggle.
I am happy that I am only 2 clicking .
I wish you all a good fortune and fun in this game.
Lots of 😘😘😘
Way too serious.
Aber man macht sich schon gedanke über den Seelenzustand mancher Leute die hier spielen.
Im wahren Leben würde ich die Strassenseite wechsel wen ich sie treffen würde.
Schönes Wochenende meine liebe ❤