Grand theft history
Imoenbg1
Good evening everyone!
This article will be in English and English only. I will not be using anticki Macedonian created by the Macedonian brothers from Thessaloniki, Macedonia, because such a thing never existed. I will be using the good old international English language with the hopes that someone can and will understand. Well, when it comes to history you never know.
The reason is this article . Funny isn't it? It may have been the child of a very good intention by the Indian president. However, this is simply ridiculous. And it is published by the Ministry of Information of Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). What kind of information does this thing contain is beyond me. Lets just say that it could have been hilarious if it wasn't outright pathetic.
I will talk about just the question number 15 - about the Macedonian emperor Samoil and his counterpart Basil II. But here is the question itself:
"15. What's the name of the mountain where the battle between Macedonian emperor, Samoil and Byzantine emperor, Basil II took place?"
Now I know usually Wikipedia is not the best reliable source but I am gonna use it anyway - the English site this time, that deals with Basil II. Here it is. Note specifically the part "The first recorded coupling of the term Boulgaroktonos with Basil II dates from a number of generations after his death. " It shows clearly that the Byzantine people and chronists (which by the way no one can accuse of love towards Bulgaria) knew all too well who their Emperor fought against. Oh and just to mention - there are several monuments dating from the time of Samuil (including the famous Bitolia inscription from the time of Joan Vladislav, three years after the death of Samuil) where the so-called "Macedonian Emperor" clearly names himself "King of Bulgarians".
I know usually theft of anything is considered a crime. How about trying to steal someone else's history? Is this against the rules of this god-forsaken game? Will there be anyone to do his job and remove that article from the plane of existence because it is basically inflammatory towards any Bulgarian? I still hope there are decent people left.
P.S Dear Eraklev, next time when you jump into such a situation do not try to explain yourself with "did not know of the controversy". There is absolutely no controversy whatsoever. Every other country in the world (and that makes over 200 in total) agrees that Samuil is a Bulgarian king. Each and every goddamn last one of them. The only one that does not is Republic of Macedonia.
That should ring a bell, shouldn't it?
I thought you knew better.
Now, my beloved Macedonians, stop trying to steal something that never belonged to you in the first place.
P.P.S Awesome job with the new ghost boosters devs. (Just to keep it in-game related
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Macedonia need's to delete this article and apologize to Bulgaria for stealing our history!
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omg I can't.. pls stop.... 😃
dont laugh your government want an apologize for that we are defending our history thats sad man sad really sad for a country without history maybe you should make one and not steal 🙂
Yes, I think too, you should apologize. I have never commented anything on any article of yours about similar topic. I just don't care. I literally couldn't care less. I expect the same from you.
Don't feed me with your puny RL political-historical drama. I didn't join this game for that.
Now, gtfo and take your stuff somewhere else. Article reported.
you tell me to GTFO hahaha drink a glas of cold water and go to sleep 😉
Nobody is stealing, this is our common history. Въпросът не е "Македония" да ни се извини, а как да се поправи причиненото на сънародниците ни от комунистите, как да им се възстанови паметта.
ПИСМО ОД МАКЕДОНИЈА ДО БУГАРИЈА!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1344-2589162/1/20
Imo, Eraclev has been doing an absolutely outstanding job with the Amazing Race event as far as I have seen. He is only one of the organizers & happens to be the one who has not only taken the lead on the project, but also works harder than anyone I have seen for this god-forsaken community.
RL issues always lead to controversy. There is such a thing as facts, history and whatnot & there is such a thing as sentiments. The 'facts' for the article were by provided by the Macedonian Govt - whether they are valid or agreed upon by other nations or not is an entirely different matter. All I would say is - have an amicable discussion, based on respect for one's friends and allies.
And please don't drag Eraclev into this - he's only doing his best to defuse the situation, misunderstanding, disagreement - whatever you wanna call it.
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Bullshit detected
How could I not drag him into this. His ignorance led us to here. I know he is hard-working but that does not absolve him of the fact, does it?
Tell me, we've known each other for a while. How would you react if someone says that Mahatma Gandhi is Pakistani? And be honest about it. Could you have an amicable discussion about it?
There is absolutely no misunderstanding. This has another term in English and I believe the correct one is either insult or affront. I'd settle for provocation as well.
Defusing the situation - he is the organizer as you stated - simply demand that Macedonians remove it. And we could forget it existed at some point in the future.
You mean fyromianinas right? 😁)
Read the article closely. At no point have I called you or your people fyromians. Do you wish to be called like that? 🙂
Because I can call you martian if you wish as well 😛
because Imoenbg1, you either don't want to, or can't understand my words in the other article.
Not only Eraclev. Stop dragging everyone into your pointless RL drama, and let us enjoy his, our event.
Reported for whatever reason needed to delete this article, and thus ruin Eraclev's efforts, as Pizzarayne said already.
Take your RL lessons somewhere else.
Северъс, кво има за разбиране? Вие си преписвате нашата история за ваша, а после се чудите защо се сърдим и реагираме така? Колко трябва да си прост, за да не вдяваш защо по ангелите реагираме така? Без значение поради каква причина сте изсрали онази статия тя е обидна за нас (или поне онези 3 въпроса). И за всяка една такава глупава статия във вашата преса ще следва съответният отговор в нашата!
You pride yourself in being a top diplomat and say it whenever possible yet you fail to see what a stupid decision it was to publish your article.
From your Ministry of Information no less.
Now you want US to stop ruining Eraclev's efforts? You killed his efforts the moment that article went live. There is no coming back from this.
Lets see what you will report my article for 🙂 I have at least 2 reasons for yours btw.
Pathetic.
what makes you think the ancient worlds wasn't one massive gang bang anyway. its well known that kings used their sons and daughters to gain territory. how do we now this didnt happen in macedonia/bulgaria?meanwhile your fighting fyromians for your history but their history is totally intermingled with yours.
your ancient forefathers didnt have the internet to write articles such as "why that little bastard stole our history" some regions of bulgaria might have been through marriage regions of fyrom and vice versa. your whole nation may have as core some fyromian king making you all part fyromian. anyway its good to life in a country where one distingiush people simply on normal colours black white etc etc.
"His" ignorance is the ignorance of around 2 million Bulgarians brainwahsed by the communists into thinking they are another nation! Самуил е бил цар на България, включваща областта Македония, тъй че не е до крадене на история, след като сме един народ с обща история, разделен за кратко от тъп комунистически експеримент.
Rayne, you should know how sensitive macedonians are when the topic is history, but the problem is that we are that much sensitive too. Thay have a country from 25 years, but in same time they are talking for more than 1000 years of history.... Can you explain that? And what is most important they are stealing OUR history...
So please tell to Eraclev that every article about history that includes Bulgaria and Macedonia or Macedonia and Greece is like a time bomb.
След като сме един народ, няма "наша" и "тяхна" история, и няма за какво да обвиняваме автора на някаква си поредна статия, засягаща изкуствен въпрос, породен от комунистически експеримент, разделил народа ни. Търсете вината у авторите и поддръжниците на македонизма, а това са и българските управници от 1944-а до днес.
To be honest, I'm responsible for it because I was organizing this event. So no problem if you put me on the list of the guilty or even drag me. As i said before i can take all responsibility for this.
As I've mentioned earlier, education minister of Macedonia who chose the theme and I have no stake in the question and answer.
I'm asian citizen (Indonesia)) who do not fully understand the history associated with the balkan (macedonia, bulgaria and Greece) So I did not alert to the case, and which should I explain what I mean by the controversy is a problem in the activities of "the amazing race".
However, because this activity has been underway for the last part, then I will not stop, I'm going to stop is the second season of the amazing race.
I hope hostility and this problem can be finished.
And for people who want to know about the amazing race you can see here :
tinyurl.com/TAR-Tools
Noone is acussing you. Obviously you dont know our both nations, and our RL issues about history topics. Just keep on your mind that every article about history between Bg, MKD and Greece is huge troublemaker. If anyone want to create a conflict between those countries... easiest way is to say something about history and then just sit down, eat popcorn and watch the show.
Macedonians are ultra proud nation, which is not bad, but they are fanatics. In their minds they are successors of Alexander the Great only because of his family name, and they dont care about Alexander was a greek who lived in the region called Macedonia with regional center Tessaloniki. And they dont make a difference between a country with some name (purposefully selected by macedonians) and a region with same name. Even more they picked their country name only because of Alexander the Great, but that doesnt mean they are his successors. So because of all of that macedonians are thinkig that they are very old and ancient nation which is not correct. But they need to undarstand one simple thing - you may pick the name of some epic historical person but thats not enough to make you his successor. With same "success" they could pick Ceser for example and now to claim that they are true romans...
Open any historical map from 5, 10, 15, even 20 centuries ago and try to find a country named Macedonia. You wont find such country, because it never existed! Macedonia was created in 1991 and like i said they selected the family name of Alexander Macedon (The Great) just to have any reason to be proud and to burst some complexes...
Мизерии сте исти како нас. Срамота.
Един народ - две държави 🙂
Две држави, едни леваци.
25.2%, of the fyrom population is albanian
Никога в миналото не е имало Македония това е държава създадена през 1991 година. Нямате право да присвоявате история на държава създадена през 681 година или на Гърция която е създадена още преди Христа. Жалко е бе хора за какво го правите ?
България не е създадена 681г. тогава е подписан мирния договор между Византия и България
не само е подписан договор а Византия признава България за държава за това това е датата 😉
Now, my beloved Fyromians, stop trying to steal something that never belonged to you in the first place.
And also Vasilleios the 2nd was part of the so called Mekedonian dynasty of the Byzantine empire, total ignorance
Комитот Никола бил средновековен македонски владетел. Како кнез на моќната склавинија Берзитија, плаќал данок на Бугарското царство. Неговите синови(Самуил,Арон,Мојсеј,Давид) креваат востание во 969 година против бугарската врховна власт.Берзитија на свое чело имала кнез и секогаш била независна до 10 век, иако како вазал плаќала данок прво на Византија, а од 9 век данокот го плаќала на Бугарија. Сепак, никогаш Берзитија не била управувана од Византија или Бугаријаитот на Аспарух.
Komitadji Nicholas was medieval Macedonian ruler. As a prince of the powerful Sclavinia Berzitija, paid tax on Bulgarian Empire. His sons (Samuel, Aaron, Moses, David) lift uprising in 969 against the Bulgarian supremacy .Sclavinia Berzitija at its lead head Prince had always been independent until the 10th century, although as a vassal paid a tribute first to Byzantium, and from the 9th century paid tax Bulgaria. However, Berzitija has never been ruled by Byzantium or "vulgarin" Asparuh.
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Най-интересното е че си вярвате АХАХАХАХААХАХАХАХАХАХААХАХ
Моја должност е да ја кажам вистината ти верувај во што сакаш. Факт е дека династијата на Крум Аспарух и Комитот Самуил се разликуваат но сепак се слични.
човек вашата държава е създадена през 1991 година нашата през 681. Преди 1991 година никъде не е имало Македония а ти ми говориш за 10ти век. По онова време никой не е знаел че ще се пръкант такива като вас. Вие нямате история приемете го и спрете да крадете от нас и от Гърция. Кирил и Методи не са македонци както и Самуил не е и Александър Македонски също не е македонец макар и фамилията да му е такава даже започвам да се съмнявам дали не сте откраднали и името на държавата си :Д сигурно заради това Гърция ви вика FYROM.
Мојот народ живеел во една античка империја бил под Римјаните и Турците. Владеен под разни средновековни богати феудалци. Поделена е од нивните браќа по род Срби,Бугари и Грци. По првата светска војна 1944 извојувавме на сегашното парче земја слободна Социјалистичка Република Македонија.
аз не споря че народът ви не е бил тук просто казвам че крадете история на други държави хора за които е писано че са били българи или гърци или каквито и да е и вие казвате че са македонци без никакви доказателства това е кражба на история
Другар , историјата не е предмет на сопственост, таа припаѓа на целото човештво.Мое право е да се чуствувам како се чуствувам а ти брат биди си тоа што си не ти се мешам.
не бих се мешал ако вашата проклета държава не се мешаше в историята на народа ми и не крадеше исторически личности твърдейки че са македонци след като е доказано че са били българи
Ништо не е докажано, проклети да се преавниците!
доказано е има го написано в книги ръкописи и стенописи всички страни в Европа са го потвърдили с доказателства от техни владетели, творци и другия личности само малката македония не го признава
Ти мене не ми веруваш, тогаш зошто јас тебе да ти верувам?
Кой ви вярва на вас? Вие още малко ще кажете че Иисус е македонец. Цяла Европа признава историята ни само вие не. И само вие се опитвате да крадете от нея. Жалко че си нямате своя собствена за да не ни се налага да водим безсмислени спорове даже и език нямате ползвате селски български ...
Твојата искривена вистина , ги премина сите граници. Верувај во пропаганда и биди си Блгарче, ама грко вика дека тие биле македонци а не Бугари Count Miden And also Vasilleios the 2nd was part of the so called Mekedonian dynasty of the Byzantine empire.
Одново треба да се биете за света земја Македонија.
Сега јас да те учам за светите Словенски браќа, и како настанала Бугарија под византија во Висантиската цивилна војна. Епа не иде брат не сум ти даскал. А и да не сум почитувај го секој мој збор, зошто немам причина да не зборувам вистина. И ако мојот јазик не ти се бедиса значи дека говориме на различен јазик.