A continued divide: a divided eUS continues - UPDATED
Day 1,472, 22:07
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by Morrigan Alexandros
A few months ago there was a great and hurtful divide. As part of the Joint Chief of Staff of the eUSMilitary, I voted to stop receiving government funding. The intended result was that we would no longer be under Congress’ domain. The reason for my vote was that the relationship between the then Congress (and past Congress) was so acrimonious that it actually interfered with my job as a Training Corps leader. I had to spend more time justifying myself than helping my own troops.
Fast forward a few months, a new gdoc was created to make a list of the military units (official military and militias).
I was part of Congress last month and this one as well. Alexander_Auctoritas, and GoalieBCSC (this month), both proposed a new New Citizen Message (NCM). I voted for both NCM blindly. I admit I barely read it. I skimmed it. I failed as a Congress person. I feel horrible.
A troop member of the Training Corps messaged me a concern. That a message was right on top of the entire gdoc in the NCM.
"If you receive a message from a “Training Corps” or group calling themselves the “eUS Military”, be advised this group is a ROGUE unit with no official ties to the eUSA. New citizens are strongly advised to ignore solicitations from this rogue force, and instead apply to join one of the approved patriotic groups below!"
After reading that, I was a bit mad that it was still around. This message was implemented when things were rather acrimonious between the then-eUS executive/Congress and the eUS Military. I admit I was confrontational and I did not handle things as well as I should have. I went in full force. If there is a thing that means anything to me in this game, it is the Training Corps. I wholeheartedly believe in the Training Corps, in its mission, in its officers and members. Hell, half of the military elite in the eUS has been through the Training Corps at some point.
So, as I said, I did not handle it well. But, Goalie did remained patient...
I admit, I am very partial to Goalie. I served in the JCS for a long time, and so did he. We served together for a while and we forged quite the amicable relationship. I believed, or wanted to, that he did not have it against the eUS Mil, as he claimed, or that he did not want to promote this divide.
I did beleive that. I do like him. I do beleive in him.
Like I mentioned, I did not handle it well. I went in guns blazing...”How could you?”Still? “How is this helpful for the country?”
He listened. He said he was going to change it. Then, he questioned...”aren’t you rogue?”
I should have known.
I was right. Fallacies and conspiracies are stronger than the betterment of a country.
I had hoped for the removal of the message. It’s what I would have done in his place (even if it was Pfeiffer’s group. Not if it was PtH).
Instead, now I see this:
“If you receive a message from a “Training Corps” or group calling themselves the “eUS Military”, be advised this group is no longer considered official. They are now a militia after disbanding as the official military, be advised they are considered a militia and do not recieve funding from the eUS.”
WTF?
Will this ever happen?
Are we still circa last year, 1 month post divide? Are we still so butthurt about the issue that we feel the need to war about the oh so ominous and dangerous Training Corps and eUSMil? Hell, do we even do that for Pizza’s party? No we do not!
Are you kidding me?
We live in a country that hold the eUS mIlitary in a lower regard that the MU started by #1 Public Enemy Pizza the Hut. A military unit that holds the eUS as a #1 Priority.
I ask you eUS...is this the way to move forward? Is this the way to heal?
(Insert Pfeiffer "you are rogue"comment)
Update: 12/2/2011, Day 1,473, 08:57 erep.
I want to thank President GoalieBCSC for the removal of the warning. It truly was unnecessary and, imho, malicious. As I mentioned in posts, I am not asking for promotion and equal rights (that would be in a better world). I am simply asking to not be targeted and not have the TC and the eusmil targeted.
So, thank you for this constructive action.
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I'm Jack Mensley and I approve of this message. Even if you don't know me
The sad thing is if you didn't go in guns blazing I wouldn't of gotten defensive. 🙂
wow. thats all i can say. wow
[21:45:11] let me id
[21:45:12] hold on
[21:45:29] Morrigan_Alexandros [Guest58103@Rizon-731C359B.dyn.optonline.net] is now known as Guest41172
[21:45:34] good n u
[21:46:34] so...
[21:46:40] this will get confrontational
Not the best words when you are trying to get me to change something is it?
I talked about divide once, I got trolled, and it’s pretty sad that since then nothing has changed to fix the issue, and Goalie just because you don't like how something is said doesn't mean you don't try and fix it, as you are the president thus it is your responsibility to do so, and if you can't handle all methods of communication, you shouldn't have ran for the job.
son of a biscuit morri I was about to write this...you took the words out my hands
New Citizen Message should have warnings about every single militia in the entire eUS.
Why is the eUS Military singled out? Don't other non-official militias that don't receive funding also PM new citizens?
It's funny because nothing Goalie wrote on that message is false.
Actually, I was talking with Morri about fixes about it until she wrote this article. I PM'ed CyberWitch, Nuriessa, Morri, Autumnsdawn. To get their reactions and statements on it. I was actually thinking of deleting it, as Morri was pretty effective at arguing it. I've been going back and forth on it for the last two hours since it was changed. I still haven't made up my mind what to do yet.There are many in the cabinet that want it to go back to it's original form. I don't like that. I asked the comment "aren't you yes" we ended with me going to change it, and consult her about the changes later on.
Later on, a day to be exact she pm's me and we discuss a bit about it. I admit I got defensive about it, but I'm still in talks with people about it.
What I ever did to you I don't even.....
GLOVE IS LOVE!
@Goalie if that response was to what I said, thanks for the response.
Oh, also the title of this is freaking great.
What friggin law school let you graduate while writing like this?
@Cody Caine- Yes. It was an attempt at a respond to your question. I forget that erepublik does not have great spacing throughout it's comments.
Just because certain militias choose not to receive government funding, does that mean we should be treated as second class citizens and not be listed as a militia that is available to the public? The SFP Bear Cavalry chooses not to receive government funding as we feel that would be a conflict of interest -- and also runs counter to our philosophical beliefs. That doesn't mean that we should be be ignored. Each point of damage that we inflict on the battlefield to defend the eUS is just as beneficial as each point of damage that is inflicted by "official" militias.
ugh
@goalie, yeah I know. I started off in the wrong foot. TC and the eusmil is something I get defensive about. And past history talking, I just felt I could be completely over the top blunt with you. Hats why I prefaced with that warning. I've apologized since then.
My goal is to open the issue for PROGRESSIVE COMMUNICATION AND RESOLUTION. Not to circle jerk the issue again.
It is my belief the warning should not be there. There is no reason to single us out. You don't even do it for oth's militia.
@ pfeiffer.. You idiot, uconn law tyvm
Yea, I actually knew that. My point was that your writing isn't what one would expect to see from a person walking around with a JD.
Also, the content is crap. It's like you expected there to be no side effects to your little hissy fit when you guys grabbed our toys and walked away.
This is the form spoken of and linked within the NCM.
I see no need for its wording. Many MU's will PM new citizens and sooner or later it will be evident which ones are official and receive funds from the government. People wondered if MU's would take over government and it looks like from the beginning of a citizens life we are telling them to join these opposing forces.
Except that the Training Corps uses the name eUS Military and when directly asked the response has been that the US has two militaries...which is retarded.
It's just silly. Silly.
/me sighs
I never knew in game writing needed to equal my law writing.
I was tired. It is way past midnight. It is the best I could do this that time.
If it was that bad, I apologize. I did not review it once for syntax.
I will do better next time.
Again, sorry.
Apology accepted. Take a pass at it tomorrow, we'll go over the grammar.
As to context, you'll need to fact check a bit. I've yet to see anything from Goalie that isn't 100% factual. Your response is classic butthurt. Also, the 'divide' happened this year, not last.
You'd think given your admitted failure as a member of Congress, you'd have brought this up there for the body to reflect on. I was aware of the links in the message, because I took the time to read it. This is the pot-stirring that so many people falsely accuse others of doing. The only people (beyond CRoy who isn't really active and I think we all know well enough to ignore at this point) talking about this any more is you.
Move on, please. Why are you keeping us so divided?
@Morri I took immediate action on it to change it to it's current much more neutered state. I agree the last statement was too drastic and untrue. As I said previously, still trying to figure out what I want to do. I could see an article like this if I were attempting to run for president again.
Pretty sure the two of us have been communicating over the issue quite well. We both are stubborn and do not like to cede points to anyone. The wonderful thing about this is I still have a few days to decide how I want to proceed. I've got a long six hour drive to really think this through with a clear mind instead of my current vindictive mood.
Henry Arundel if you wish to troll I suggest you go after someone who is hella good at it and we will battle it out on my article you phaggot.
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Breathe...........
The issue was brought to me. So, I am def. not the only one.
Btw...points and/gold for calling pfeiffers likely response. Send me!
Thanks for the response goalie. I still think this warning is unnecessary. We are not poles luring people away form the eUS jeez.
And yes, communication was ok. I felt it needed some... Public opinion.
I agree that the old message was poor taste.
bdr127Day 1,472, 22:16 Don't other non-official militias that don't receive funding also PM new citizens?
TBH I misread this comment and was posting to say that to the very best of my knowledge ST6 doesn't pm noobs at all.
After re-reading the question, I think that there are only three Militias (or non-official military, whichever floats your boat) that I know of in the eUS, (JCS, Bear Cav and whatever Pizza the 20 star general calls his group), that don't get OMS funding currently.
Of those three I don't believe Bear Cav pm's noobs. Having recruited in a few referrals in the last few months and dealing with their early questions to me about what to do etc, I know the TC sends out a message almost immediately. Based on reputation and prior tactics I'd bet Pizza does as well but cannot confirm that.
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I'm sort of surprised Morri took this public so shortly after the conversation without letting it sit to see how it came out... this is why midnight articles and rants are never good things.
I had felt the eUS had been doing much better about not doing the typical chippy shots at each other over things but fear this will simply restart the shit storm all over again doing exactly the same thing as has happened before... accomplishing nothing but driving the wedge firmly in and deeper.
Damn happy I'm a commune mule atm and my article page is in eChinese...
While the SFP Bear Cavalry doesn't PM newbs, in the past the SFP has. Once the player is a member of the SFP, they'll hear about the SFP Bear Cavalry and what it has to offer. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't appreciate a link on the DoD Orders and the New Citizen Message. Self-sufficient Militias should be encouraged as they don't require government funding and do not impact the eUS Governments limited budget. Just think, each USD that doesn't meed to go to the USAF or OMS can then be used for the purpose of player retention.
"If you receive a message from a “Training Corps” or group calling themselves the “eUS Military”, be advised this group is a ROGUE unit with no official ties to the eUSA. New citizens are strongly advised to ignore solicitations from this rogue force, and instead apply to join one of the approved patriotic groups below!"
JUST WOW ! Apparently question is who is really rogue ?
No, that isn't at all the question.
The more I see of this Arundel fella, the more he reminds me of a little constipated chihuahua
I don't think America is "split" on this issue.
One thing that came out of our discussions in the Domestic Affairs Council that I oversaw was the fact that the majority of people don't actually care too much at all about this particular argument.
Those who care a lot about this issue become vocal about it and pat one another on the back for saying bold things and calling the other party out and so on. Meanwhile the rest of the country just rolls its eyes.
There is clearly still a "split", but it is not "America" which is divided.
Shame on you guys. TC was a fundation to all military men today. I bet 80% of all your offical and non-offical soldiers went thru it once. It was the real pride of eUS. Today you make it sound it's the enemy. Why does it matter they are not the "offical", they still do the same job,don't they - Making genuine soldiers!
You have too much politics in the army, and that trully divides you eUS. In Croatia we also have "offical" armies and non offical ones, but we do not bug new citizens with a internal-politics-dividing bullshit. They choose by themself where to go. They get messages from a lot of units, or politcal parties. Free competition - democracy etc. Not f****n government regime like u did with the message.
One more problem that u have is the congress - army issue, which morri said in the beggining of the article why the division started. Army doesn't need to be in relations with congress. They are in relations with minister of defense. he takes the money from the prez/congress and distributes it to militias, units etc. And he is the one responsible for the thing.
Too much birocracy eUS, too bad. Your dmg could be more effective without it. But that's not the point here.
The point is, your message is discriminating and it eliminates competition in the roots. The only reason, as i see it, is you are afraid TC is better then you, and the guys who go there will never be yours. WORK HARD, GIVE YOUR BEST, and maybe you'll be better then TC. Don't do a monopoly, it's not legal in any sphere of life...
Good luck to all of eUS, especially to the new guys who have to be in between of your bs.
Just an observer and an ally who was once fascinated by the eUS military system.
Going to go with Gnilraps on this one. Argument is played out and people on both sides still yelling about it look damn foolish at this point.
What Gnilraps and Rainy said, plus:
This article should not have been written. It only rehashes tired drama on a topic for which there is no agreement (nor is there likely to be any).
The difference between TC and other militas is the fact that 'Training Corps' sounds pretty official. You can't say that for most other MUs and thus new citizens should be informed about the missleading title.
xD It is all our fault, it is our fault because we exists. xD
ROFL No surprise why I hate politic and politicians the most.
Drop dead.
We should take it as free advertisement as every new citizen gets to know us.
Just another clear example of how the control freaks are trying to suffocate everything not firmly under their control.
Which Presidential Candidate will promise to remove this warning from the NCM? That's where my vote will go on the 5th.
The SFPBC (Bear Cavalry) doesn't pandar to anyone. We're just a bunch of grizzly fighters who enjoy our self-sufficient kodiak moments. We don't seek to be polarizing, although we do present quite a spectacle when charging into battle.
@Speedy, the conversation started a few days ago, not a few hours. There were a couple of days in between my original conversation and today.
@gnilraps, if the argument is played out, why is that warning agaisnt the TC, specifically, and the eusmil still there or necessary?
Which Presidential Candidate will promise to remove this warning from the NCM? That's where my vote will go on the 5th.
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Why not advertise all the eUS MUs in the DoD Orders and the NCM? Let the individual players, after being FULLY informed, decide which to join. As long as some MUs are granted certain privileges over the others, they will look at themselves as being treated unequally. That inequality is the source of this division.
As long asthe eUS Military continues to call itself the eUS Military, then that message should still be there, as your name is incredibly misleading.
You know eRepublik politics makes my ears bleed that is why I gave up but why not comment. ROGUE unit with no official ties to the eUSA... this is 100% false "ROGUE" implies we fight for eSerbia we fight for the eUSA, "no offical ties to the eUSA" again 100% false for reasons stated.
'Rogue' means you do not follow orders. Sure, most of the time we fight in the same battles. But not because the CP or the DoD said so but because you want to. There have been enough incidents in the past proving that the eUS Military ignored orders and fought in other battles. The idea that you should have the same rights as the USAF is ridiculous. You made your choice so please don't get upset when you have to pay the bill.
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