[Talon] Time to Cut the Crap
Talon Karrde
My Friends,
The recent takeover of the UKPP was a huge shame for UK politics. Over the course of its life to date the UKPP has done much good for the UK, and while I may not have always agreed with their methods, their intent has always been for the good of the UK and that is commendable.
There has been much furore in the last few days about the manner of this takeover, with various sides attempting to pin the blame on their political enemies and others trying to take the credit for themselves. The purpose of this article is to cut through the crap and give the perspective of someone at the very top of UK politics.
Here is the sequence of events to the best of my knowledge. Few, if any others, know and talk to as many people as me and I can assure you that my information is both accurate and extensive. I’ll present it as a series of bullet points for ease of understanding.
-The story begins with Bigant. He was Party President of the UKPP last month and resigned from the party after a disagreement with Mick Cain and Wayne Kerr. This was an internal disagreement over the status of the Royal Navy.
-BA’s resignation gave the position of PP to the member of the UKPP with the highest experience level: Mwcerberus.
-MWC’s ascention to the position sparked an idea in Wayne- namely to get MWC elected to the position again on the 15th for dastardly purposes
-Wayne and MWC ensured the election would be successful using a few different techniques:
-MWC PM’d the UKPP membership asking for votes, while no other candidate did
-Wayne asked for votes in the Dental Corps MU feed
-MWC acted professionally as PP to build up a reputation
-The rest of the vote was split between several other UKPPers
-And so MWC was elected to the position of PP.
Now, it’s worth me stating that as this point, the only external influence was from the Dental Corps MU. I sit in their channel and saw several conversations about the election, mostly between wayne and other UKPP members, though I and other chan-sitters did join in. At this point the true purpose of MWC’s election wasn’t at all clear and it just looked like any other PP leadership election within a party.
-After the election, it wasn’t at all clear there had been any takeover
-The first sign was the congress list on the 24th, with spamican and ESO members on the list
-Things got worse days after this, with MWC changing the name of the party several times
Blame has come frequently and erroneously from many different sources, but here’s the right of it:
This whole mess was started by the gross incompetence of Bigant. Wayne then saw an opportunity for a laugh and took hold of it with both hands. He used his personal network of friends in the Dental Corps, the lack of a true opposition within UKPP, and hard work from MWC to secure the election.
Let me make this perfectly clear:
At no point has any New Era member done anything untoward with UKPP
At no point has any TUP member done anything untoward with UKPP
This absolutely was a political takeover, but it wasn’t an external one. Wayne’s faction within the UKPP came up with the idea, and enacted it all on their own, with essentially no opposition within the party. I condemn the accusations of foul play on both sides, and also condemn the fake logs made last night to troll.
We’re better than this.
My final thought, then, is this: The UKPP was taken over by a faction within the party, that has systematically destroyed a once-giant of UK politics. Only UKPP members can rescue their party. The inactivity and lack of opposition on your part allowed this to happen, and only by uniting and fighting for your party can it rise from the ashes!
Strength Through Unity!
Talon Karrde
TUP Party President
Comments
Cut the crap Talon, we all know you and your multiude of multi's were a key factor behind this disgusting episode in eUK politics.
DOWN WITH TUP!
Brick Talon's windows!
lol
v!
Kept it short and sweet. Keep 'em coming!
Imo Tallon has always been a man of integrity.Sure he has lost his rag a few times on IRC and such,but then have'nt we all.....Voted
Here is a TUP member who was part of this:
http://i50.tinypic.com/smfsdh.jpg
I actually think there is a good chance you are telling the truth, but then again this guy is your friend and party member - you didn't mention his actions (Trolling, Lying, Faking Logs) once in this article.
What are you going to do about him? Silence?
Valid point there Goku
and you never trolled,lied etc.. you are right and we and all idiots.. phahahaha... should i laugh or cry on this? o.O
Not for over a year.
would that not show he knows what to look for?
One member from TUP does not equal a PTO from them. The vast majority of the PTOers were from UKPP or from the Spamicans
In the other article you admit this is faked due to anti-aliasing (?) between "logout" and "Goku Jones"
Wat I haven't faked a thing, the one I just poosted can be confirmed as real by Talon Karrde - as he removed him from the usergroup today.
If you actually read the article you can find the bit where he condemns me. Very convenient of you to ignore that, still up to your lying old tricks you villain.
Popcorn, anyone?
I'll take some
Voted, I have stayed out of it all but nice to see a clear and simple run through of what happened. Mucho appreciatedo Talono Karrdo
Voted
You're such a moralfag, let Wayne and the Spamicans have their fun...
There was actually no asking in the feed for votes.
very close just slightly off on a few small details
Invalidation is TUP
He can join when he likes, with this action Talon is trying to make it very clear himself or TUP isn't a part of it, and openly condemns it. Are you blind or something?
I'm not surprised he says that - the fallout from this episode does not but his party or its affliates in a good light. But invalid is TUP, so when Talon says "At no point has any TUP member done anything untoward with UKPP" it simply isn't true.
He *was* TUP, he himself will tell you he's moved on. It's a childish attempt to smear a party on the actions of one member. It's completely unaffiliated from TUP, I can't see why you're so transfixed that it's TUPs fault : /
Because it fits nicely for there agenda...
he's not the only ex TUP member iirc...invalidation in UKPP is no more a sign of a TUP PTO than you in New Era imho...Just a thought
Invalidation was still listed as a TUP on the forums until a few days ago. I left TUP nearly 2 years ago because I called them out for lying to the public over eIreland and destroying the military community. Just saying.
But he was in TUP until yesterday: http://i50.tinypic.com/smfsdh.jpg
You was in TUP, does that make you still TUP?
I don''t think that I was in TUP 2 days ago no.
I don't know who's at fault for the debacle of UKPP, But i really do hope it concludes soon, i know in the end EREP is a game, but a game can be spoiled and not become fun. At the moment it is funny but not a laughing matter for those who enjoy the game.
Not a laughing matter? why not?
At the rate we have elections and the speed of a parties rise or fall who will be bothered or even remember in a couple of months' time?
But some people have long memories and i do think in a few months this will be brought up by those involved.
well, at least you aren't blaming us, that is progress
too true!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/mwcerberus-and-the-battle-against-elitist-tyranny-2225715/1/20
If people paid more attention to this article, people would realise that this was planned and prophesised weeks ago. There are so many hints in the artwork. Two clues for starters... first of all BigAnt was holding the NE flag while he was still in UKPP. Secondly.... Wayne is riding MWCerberus when he takes down BA.
Nobody saw it coming except those who did!
I am basically Nostrodamus.
I think that's pretty spot on
Maybe next time people will take more notice...
stfu
come at me bro
So i assume Invalidation is still going to be a mod on the forums
Until there is a problem with his modding, then probably.
He is TUP so this is ok
and I assume you will ignore all of Goku's sins.
if forum members can't be banned for actions in game I think mods should be treated the same. Immunity goes both ways. I can't remember the case, but a while ago it was important.
Good article.