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My offer to publish my logs to show the truth is still valid. But I expect you dont want that...

I hope you did understand what I was trying to say, if not: there is not one truth - there is only people saying things and others interpreting. That goes both ways, you too are being misinterpreted due to things that happened in the past. We need to get past that, and move on to the future.
I suggest we stop logging everything to prove the truth and seek cooperation based on common sense and what is good for the country.

As long as people are accusing me of stuff I didn't do, its needed for me to log everything.

It is a choice. I hate logging, I only do it when I really distrust people like meetings with hostile countries. Imo, when it concerns internal affairs, it only gives you ammunition for more debate. I can tell you upfront that the same log can be interpreted very differently depending the reader.

Again, it has been proved needed in the past. Like the time you guys accused of holding back information about the state company on my account.

I hate to see that once again this is turning into a "you make me do this" Anyway, if you are not ready to get over things that happened in the past. I am. And I urge you to try to do the same. For the good and the future of our country.

Hate to do it Zeeuwsmeisje, but based on things from the past, I do not trust everyone. If I dont do it, I cannot prove I'm innocent if the government decides to accuse me of things again...

Sometimes proving you were innocent is less important than doing what is right and let it be. I have seen many times now how good people got into fights over misunderstandings en because others fed their anger. I hear so many accusations about so many people that are so very unjust, I myself have been accused of things that were so besides the truth that I couldn't even believe it (not to mention the many times my sense of humor/irony was taken the wrong way). But at some point you need to let go, because comment on comment on comment is leading nowhere. I doubt that any player started this game to hate others, it is really a matter of misinterpretations and people being prejudiced after that.

So stop accusing me of things I did not do and we all be fine!

This is not just about you, I am afraid. This concerns us all and I hope we all can see it that way.

Yup, so you understand why I log.

To be honest I'm starting to get really sick and tired of the "thread" of publishing logs. Why? Not because its something someone would be afraid of or because there might be published things people don't want.
No there's another reason for that. Two actually;
- First of all it is forbidden to record anything unless you ask people permission on beforehand.
- Second; Logs can be changed so they proof nothing. Especially not if it can't be controlled.
So in stead of this try to be more clear in you're wording or intentions so you are better understood. That goes for anybody. Not just saying it to you ElGorro.
And if there are discussions the fact remains, as I stated several times also when we were in gov together; If you really want to discuss something; do it on (private) forums so its all logged and traceable without easy changes in it that can't be controlled. Every IRC conversation is no more or less than lobbytalk. (to be clear; "Wandelgangenpraat")

Yup I understand that. In a better world it would be possible I guess, but I was glad to have logs when the government (included you) accused me from holding back information. Im sick and tired of being wrongfully accused of things and this is my only defense if that happens again.

Refering to that Statecomp discussion I suppose?

Just an example

Really? Hmm, funny. It's the only one I recall. And in that case still the same but you fail to see that; You were accused of not telling us you had a state comp when specifically discussed who had one within gov and you being present as member. That you did say so on another occasion doesn't change that. And as said before; You were not accused of false intentions, just of the fact stated before. And yes I look at that as withholding information since you can't expect people to recall anything you once said or posted somewhere on forum.

There is a reason he never got elected 😛 haha

Yo, eNL... shouldn't you be fighting ePL instead of each other?

Where's the fun in that? 😛 Nothing like a good bar brawl to stir things up I guess >_>

It is not only WHAT is said but also THE WAY things are said.
We need more respect!

Can someone tell me why we should read this or in what way this is useful for the citizens of eNL?
Just pls have a catfight outside😉

After all those false accusations keeping the dialog open, respect ElGorro!!!

Thanks for the support Prutser!