Elitism - our only option
T Cherub
While the term "Elitism" might sound a bit negative, I am afraid we need to consider our options seeing how eRepublik is being govern by the game owners.
We now know that we can not trust the game admins helping us if some selfish president decides to back-stab us like Bob Turkee/Damien or the Croatian player Back from Valhalla. We were naive and thought our savings would be safe and something we could trust would help us in the months to come. Now we are dead broke.
The fact that 1 single player can do this type of damage to en entire eNation and our gaming community tells me one thing. We need to embrace elitism. This means we will not let just "anyone" become president. Even for a small and barely active nation like eNorway, getting the wrong president spells disaster. We will simply have to limit our options to just the few players we trust 100%. Can we trust Norwegians? Left-Wing-Socialist Bob showed us we can't, so even if a candidate is Norwegian and veteran doesn't necessarily prove allegiance to the community. It hurts to admit it, but sometimes we can't even trust our own countrymen.
We can always try to keep the valuables inside the country treasure, but money was stolen from country treasure before, without any help from admins. The way the game is designed right now, we can only trust a small set of elite players, and while that is devastating for new and aspiring players, it is the hard facts.
Another thing we could opt for is setting aside valuables to certain players we trust. Players we trust will not abuse the assets for their personal gain - essentially volunteer bankers. Obviously, only elite players.
Will this damage our community and our gameplay? Will this discourage new players knowing we will never let them become president without spending years building trust and loyalty? Probably.
Maybe some day, the game designers will understand how potentially bad it is when 1 player can break a nations economy, and how pathetic it is to blame the players who vouched and supported this player, not having the faintest idea he or she would turn out to be a bad seed. I would rather see us bringing up new players to the political scene, and I would love to support new and young presidents taking reign and aspire to become great players in politics, but the way the game is designed now, we simply can't support it. We risk everything!
A well know and respected player, Romper, told me to stay CP forever, but who wants that? I simply can't and wouldn't be a good CP month after month. The only thing you could be sure of, I would never steal from the community or go power-monger. I know a handful of players like that, several of them in Norway. Having said that, in order to keep a long-term plan for eNorway, we simply have to live with only allowing trustworthy players become presidents. I recent the idea, but unless we can think of something better, we will get ripped off over and over again. I know a lot of players have invested time and real money on building a viable eNorway, so I can imagine the frustration of seeing our savings lost. Sure, we were lazy and let these bad players get in power - it's our fault by design.
Let's just acknowledge - we only have elitism left as our final weapon against the current game design. It sucks, but history proves it. Needless to say, I will be available for CP elections only to preserve your trust in long-term sustainable community.
A loyal citizen of eNorway,
T Cherub
PS! Ignore any trolling by the last thief from Croatia; his profile says it all.
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Desperate times require desperate measures. At least treasury will be safe with you.
Good luck, Norway!
Thank you for your support and for allowing me to quote you, old friend. 🙂
We have had cases like that too, kinda trusted person becomes CP and robs the bank. But we actually got the money back after sending a few million tickets. :I
Good luck!
@ilphen: The fact that some nations get the money back says it all.
i agree 100% with this, it is the only option left, unless we always can be sure we get trusted presidents, wich there is no way to be sure, as even tho i did not like bob, i never thought he would od such a thing.
and elite players have spendt alot of time and money to help build a good economy, and the feeling when all that hard work and dedication is simply going away like that, all to 1 or 2 players, it hurts.
so it may be harsh to hear for new players, but i agree with skaue on elitism, we just cant be sure of anyone *new* , i myself never add players younger than 3-4 months on to my friends list, as multies and scammers and PTO'ers dont usualy live that long without getting caught or get the cover blown, but ofc there are always a few that find a way to stay alive and under the radar until one day they do what they planned, for example stealing millions of CC while being president.
also i wonder about that screenshot, did BfV steal like 3 million CC ? because he has well over 3 million there o.0
Yea, maybe he got a mill from Bob? who knows - oh thats right, admins do ;p
True. Arguably, we were stupid to allow for Back from Valhalla to become president. So many wise words can be said in hindsight. Unfortunately, his actions remain unpunished. His promise to return the investment seems void to me, but maybe this croat still have some shred of pride and honor.
only time will tell......alot of time
You should leave most of it in your country accounts, you probably didn't need to have that much available.
We've been PTOed before and had all our assets in CT moved away to Serbian orgs. Nothing was ever returned. Do we trust CT? NO!
Small countries' congresses are easy to PTO
Exactly, and you might argue that a group of players PTOing a nation and stealing all the funding is an isolated scenario. However, allowing 1 single player to empty out all the orgs for himself - it simply shouldn't be allowed by design.
My comments from the identical forum post:
I agree with you concerning the presidential seat. However, we -need- to take in more newbs in our ministries if we want to survive, something I recently went more in-depth on in the "Civic and domestic" board.
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Maybe we should start keeping only emergency reseserves in our bank and let the rest of the money stay in our national treassury.
Putting millions in our NT will only attract PTOers.
Agreed. There are plenty of pTOers out there that would multi TO you in no time for that money.
People can still see our national orgs. As far as I know the orgs links are being posted across the eWorld like crazy.
100% approved.
Agreed.
Voted
Länge leve elitismen!
V+S
Det er jo et beklagelig tiltak som uten tvil vil ha en negativ effekt på befolkningsveksten. Hvis vi i det hele tatt har noen befolkningsvekst. Men slik det er nå, virker det som det riktige å gjøre frem til vi har kommet oss på bena igjen og kan fungere som enasjon.
Yea, as I wrote - I hate to have it like this, but we simply can't trust the orgs, nor the Country Treasure, as a safe location for our assets - long term. CT is safe when the Congress is safe - orgs are safe if the CP is ok.
Elitism is awesome when you are the elite. Go for it it Norway!
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Unfortunately, I also have to agree with you Tommy! You- Norwegians should rule the country. And not just any of you, but rather a few loyal and trustworthy ones! The only way to fight the crisis is by creating stability. And conservatism creates the basis of stability. It might not be progressive, but this is arguably the only way for eNorway to regain (even if partially) what has been stolen in the last two months. Like it or not, this is the truth! 100% supported!
Voted. It's sad it had to come to this but I say do what you need to do in order to prevent anything like this to happen again.
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just a tought. im sure most enorwegian has some amount of gold in account. how about people donate a small contribute to the country so can sell it and get some money back in bank?
how much money do we get for 10 gold?
sadly enought my limited of time in here is not enought to help as a active player, but i would be more than happy to donate 10 gold
Agreed. I'm sure that between the elite the CP seat can be rotated, so there is not too much on one person for a long period. I would be willing to come back to eNorway, unretired, and take the CP position when needed.
As for assets, orgs would be the safest, in need - those reserves can be transferred and spread to the group of elites for safekeeping until order again is restored. (Assuming we're able to regenerate our money)
Agreed with you on this Cherub aka. Tommy 😃
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I understand your point, but I have a different opinion.
I am a young player, I have not proven myself as loyal, because I simply did not have the chance for it. Although I have spent my whole eLife in eNorway, I am not a RL Norwegian and I could never become one. I enjoy your community and since it is only a game, I would do anything to help it. I believe I am not less trustworthy than any one else. I do not think I should be considered less competent, clever or kind than RL Norwegians, who have played eRepublik for years.
However, the idea of elitism would make my existence in eNorway useless. I would not have the opportunity to develop myself and I would know, that my presence here has a limit, set by this system. Why should I keep playing then? Of course, I could still fight, write of live for eNorway, but if I do all of this with whole my heart, then why should I be discriminated due to my game-age or RL nationality?
These are hard times and desperate measures are needed, indeed. But elitism would make the game pointless for many eNorwegians, what a small nation like ours cannot afford itself. I personally know about 10 foreigners and at least 15 players, aged less than 12 months. This is the half of Norway's active population. Could it exist without them? What is a country with 30-men army?
I could be sure, that you are perhaps the greatest player that eNorway had. You deserve more than any one else to become its permanent ruler. But introducing elitism to society would simply make it meltdown. Give me a clue how would I be able to be a true part of the community, whilst having no right to join the politics with all the rights allowed? Do not do it! It will save our money, but it would bury us as well. Youngsters or foreigners are not worse, it is all up to the person, no matter if it is Bob Turkee, an old and experienced RL Norwegian, or Baqck from Valhalla, a Croatian speculator, who has played for a few months only...
Thank you for a honest and valuable point, Jochen. I agree on your concerns and we share them with you and all new, young and foreign eNorwegians. The challenge is actually both in our hands and the hands of the admins. We need to find a sustainable solution for not risking 1 player steal it all, and the admins need to rethink the current game design.
Perhaps the admins would fix this soon, but what would happen with players like me under elitism? This would be a step to the grave for our small nation and when/if the admins fix it, it would be too late...
@Jochen: We will try to work out a new schema, so that we don't run completely bankrupt each time an idi*t player decides to be a community wrecker.
We could simply keep the money in the loyal's accounts so that every CP would have to start a vote within the congress each time they wish to use a part of it. No need to limit others...
100% Agreed! This may be necessary for now, but not forever.
i think this will be idd need so we dont get anymore backstabs from ppl we think we can trust
Heading over to conquer Norway!
Trust me - it's been done before. Multiple times over. Be creative and try something new for a change. 😉
Cherub o/
Ooooor you just assign a bank man, that Will borrow an ORG to hide all money in and norwegian CPs wont have info where it is nor have access to it. It Will be your dirty little good secret. This should of course been implemented before Any robbery but its easy to be smart after you already know The consequences
I wouldn't be surprised if the CP could get a complete list of national orgs from the admins, especially if that CP had the right "friends" and "contacts".
If The org doesnt belong to Norway, (borrowed from another nation) then I dont see a reason he could get control of it.
Yea, I guess. It would have to be through a nation we trust. Preferably non-Serbian... 😉
Agreed and voted!
I've spent lots of money on this game, and have always been loyal to eNorway (although I had a 1 year break from the game) Always give 100% in wars. Now congress member. In these dark times it's hard to say what could be done to avoid this and what to do in the future. We need trustworthy elite eNorwegians to be CP!
Hail Norway! Hail Asgard!