A New Army System envisaged
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by Releasethe Krakken
In this article I do again mention Seanan and Bhane do not consider it personal attacks its more that I differed with your opinions in the past and still do!
When the warmachine of Ireland rolls into action the brunt of damage are no longer dealt by the Irish Army. When this same warmachine won first 2000 GOLD and then 5000 Gold for the government of Ireland of the top 10 fighters only about 60% where members of the Irish Army.
Yet Bhane announced that all of this money 100% will be used for the purposes of supplying the Irish Army. Why? This exclusiveness started with Seanan. When he/she/it (sorry for me a complete effin mystery. one that hesheit never bother to clarify) took over the reigns of the Irish Army under the rule then of MUFC we were bombarded with this motto everyone should join the Irish Army so that we pool our damage together so that we look more respectful in the eyes of other nations. Which was total bollocks. None of our MU will ever run with the big boys as we simply dont have the numbers.
In fact this pic shows that the Irish Army is now second.
Yes I know why that is but ok.
These Military Units usually fund themselves and supply themselves and in many cases these units do not supply their players. Meaning they simply cannot grow any further. Yet their players do spend a lot to make Ireland look better.
Wait : make Ireland look better did not Seanan promise to lead half of Ireland into the promised land where they would be Gods. Yes. Is this the truth ? NO!
Simply put although we do good 8 players is able to beat 114 players 😛
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LULZ
Is rank 170 enough to claim world respect. Yes if your 8 players but if your 114 players and can claim rank 198 there is not much respect.
So these claims was all done for 1 purpose . Get all the supplies. Socialist agendas like a National Army was pushed in front of the Countries interest and military well being. Face it we will never be 1 MU. Just look at the bottom our true percentages.
Anyways we have 5000 Gold available which is going to the Irish Army exclusively. I dont care what Cry of the Banshee says or any other MU commander . This ain't right!!
So how do we change it. Easy very easy. You see Plato gave us all the tools. Its very simple. Look at the weekly leaderboard and then wait for it divide the 5000 gold between the MU on a pro rata basis using this simple calculation :-
MU Damage(available) / Country Damage (available) * (5000 * 200)
Done your calcs you would see 5000 Gold is 1 million IEP.
This is the one method the other would be:
Number of Fighters/ Country Fighters * 10000000
The one says we are investing in damage the other we are investing in players whom maybe inactive or dead. Anyway this will give each MU much needed cash to wait for it improve its infrastructure. I would go with Damage as this will eliminate inactives that fill the numbers only.
This system of government dependence forever makes our MU's weaklings.
Arguing it from a different perspective gives you this:
Military Unit Spend Epic / Total Country spend = 7000 Gold.
Meaning very easily all MU's contributed to getting the 7000 Gold why should it now be siphoned to the one with the best infrastructure? The Irish Army is 97% self sufficient. Other Mu's aint. Why are this not addressed by the government whilst we have the money available.
Other way to look at it:
Total damage per MU/ Nation Strike Total Damage = Total Available MU WEPS + Food / Total NATIONAL AVAILABLE WEPS + Food
However you argue it an exclusive National Based army limits our damage in the long run. Another country no longer search for us on page 4 of the damage rankings they simply look at the national damage in the weekly leaderboards.
Is Krakken a crazy loon that just want to discredit the government? Nope all I'm trying to say is we should rethink our global military strategy. The more Mu's supply their own players the more players have available to buy extra WEPS and stuff using their gold + IEP. Increase any soldiers ability not considering what MU he is from increase the Total National Damage.
Last few graphs for the graphlovers:
I also can mention that using my own money I accomplished this.
That is 75 + 150 + 225 kills a lot of Q7 WEPS bought a lot of my energy bars that I got in the first bonus spend a lot of my build up food spend. My own MU have supplies but I rather let the other players have it and pay 2 members good salaries as well.
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I'll let Seanan explain.
Lord knows, he's taken me to task more than a few times about the IA. 🙂
And I respect him all the more for doing so.
But I will share a thought...
"If you are ready to accept gov't money for fighting, are you ready to follow state orders to the letter about where to (and where not to) fight?"
why should I. Should government supply equal government control?. I'm sorry that is again one of those retarded bollocksy nonsense that seanan dish out daily to not make people think. This is a very slippery slope you are standing on: If you say government supply equal government control when we are wiped it will mean I (and I suppose the other 47% of players that is not supplied)wont help out the government in donations. so chose carefully as this is again a very slippery slope you are standing on.
also vote the damn article you obviously read it!
btw... "Yet Bhane announced that all of this money 100% will be used for the purposes of supplying the Irish Army. "
No I didn't.
I replied in a comment, that the money is sent to the bank savings. THAT is where the money stays.
The gold has been added to the capital investment that fuels the MM returns which pay for IA subsidies. You specifically twisted the language to make it appear as though IA members are getting fistfuls of gold as handouts. You know that's not what is happening, and that's not what I said.
I'll vote if you take some of the "spin" out of this article. This could be an opportunity for the community to have a calm, rational discourse and debate about IA funding, if that's what you want. I look forward to reading the comments if you can keep the discussion on track.
also i also said infrastructure not supply there is a huge difference fish/rod analogy which I am certain you are aware of.
no the money must be distributed. 700 gold is more than 10 Q7 WEPS factories. else what can you really claim you are doing for the rest of Ireland that is not part of the IA? Why should we donate a cent if that cent goes to the Irish Army?
Allah knows I could give, but no point really, this is a mistruth.
1) Army and Bootcamp funding hasn't increased with the addition of the competition gold
2) Unfortunately with Irish Botty Booter returning to the UK, his exceptional 2 billion influence output, means the Army returning to 50% mark of Irish influence instead of ~40%
3) I have never aggressively promoted the Army, its rise in prominence was because of the members moving away from politico-military movements - this is not because of funding, for the vast majority of the Army's life, there has always been another body which could offer more per solider like the ICA when it was in operation - people get fed up with politics putting a stain on military team work.
4) Government funds those who follow Government orders.. which makes sense, if the Government gave funds to someone who fights against Government orders someone might accuse of them of wasting money. That not to say other MUs don't deserve funding, but most other MUs often there as a social group - might not require funding, might not want that obligation to follow government orders, some might just want to be separate for the sake of it . You may come across a politico-military movement, who'll get funding and follow the CP orders one election, but not the other if uncooperative with a government - poor system, tested before when the Army wasn't the only State MU.
5) The Army's apolitical code and purpose to drive collaboration was prior the introduction of MUs - you were a member of the Irish Army if you followed Government orders, that was really it. But due to the MUs, thats not a given because the choice to follow government orders falls on the MU Commander and Captain setting the order. For the Army, Gov has control over that. For private MUs, it doesnt. If there was a system which individuals in private MU could be accountable to government spending, Army Supply System could be opened to them.
Nothing exclusive about it.
since your no longer MOD or even IA commander your comments are as irrelevant as most others. Who you fight for like one can really track who the IA fights for perhaps if you get a Bh otherwise not. Many times we were on a National strike and I would find countless other IA members in other battles. We are not living or even e living in eNazy Germany so there is no need for a government to do more than request a MU to fight in a certain battle. i think you will be pleasantly surprised at how many players can comply if you just ask them nicely. But continue Seanan when Rome burns down your responses will be noted. with an income of 2000 per day or 60000 per month no bonus events for the country that 7000 gold will soon be squandered and when you come to my door i will by then have surpassed the irish government in revenue earned and will show you the door. and so will the other 47 % members. you cannot claim any rights to that money.
also i am glad to see the government see its role as doing nothing for members outSIDE the IA. This is probably THE most useless government for non IA members. really when i spend my 3o or so IEP on you it just help zero. With the FF medals where players will be travelling more your MPPS is mostly worth nothing.
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You're going to compare ME to Hitler ?!
lol... you really are Fox News.
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Sorry, I am not a polyglot.
If you want to insult me, you're going to have to speak 'Murican.
I'm not interested in receiving govt funding for Ordo.
good your sacrifice will be noted. more for us then!
Looks like 8 players who do not need external military funding.
Great work!
infrastructure not hand outs. you anyway abused your government positions to such an extent you would not need further funding but I am certain if this is started you will be first again on the bandwagon.
I'm not interested in receiving govt funding for Irish Tank Brigade.
good your sacrifice will be noted more for the rest then.
Sweet....considering how much did you steal from ireland as MoF it would be too much for you to ask for more...
Can i remind you you still did not give irish community any report od your work as MoF...
What you have to hide Sweet?
Also, Irish Army's funds and resources come almost entirely from privately owned infrastructure.
The government did not purchase that infrastructure, it is volunteered by patriot citizens.
bs and is besides the point. the point is government should upgrade MU infrastructure. This may seem a foreign idea coming from heavy capitalist countries. but there there is here and there such a project that is doing great work. for example government issued out a decree that all taxi onwers should upgrade their existing taxis and replace them with new one they however went further and said when you bring in your old taxi it gets scrapped and we give you 5000 USD which is about 2000 USD more than its worth(used (USD to make it easier for you to understand) So since that day most taxis is post 2000 models and the accidents to taxis that is not roadworthy has seriously declined. I will later recalculate the figures with ORDO and tanks out.
to continue with the debate its irrelevant how IA got its infrastructure . Establishing infrastructure can only help the government in the long run as it will allow smaller MU's to have 1 or now more than 1 Q7 WEPS factory for example or allow them to produce 500 more food. How else do you change the government from a centralized funding to a distributed funding . I say lets create infrastructure. Do you have a problem with this as I recall earlier you said i wish I could give each citizen 100 Gold so that they can build factories or something along those line.
Again read and comments but do not vote. If you comment vote!
* grammar mistakes i made cant see this too well.
Taxis?Wt*??
Anyway, Dublin cab-drivers are too busy for this sh~*t : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAjXVWonRw
gay as shit and staged also the only one getting lucky in that video is the audience if that awful music is turned off. as always you dont understand africa tut tut.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILUpDj0msr4 taxis is normal taxis on crack more mini buses. they used to have all 80to 90 model mini buses that was usually not completely roadworthy that they drive around at breakneck speeds to make more money.
I'm not interested in receiving gov't funding for Rollta Bais.
your alone in rollta bais and sweet drinker is alone in irish tanks. whatsmore you are one of the best supplied MU's and can literally fight for the whole of the day. But tis good if you exclude your MU but not if you do so just tro score some political points like grianne did. im certain in her MU there would be a member who would say I would say like to get an opportunity to improve my MU's supply basis. as always and I am ashamed to say this now about you Bhane its about the pursuit of an exclusionary orc agenda. you want to kill this plan and now want to create the impression there is no need for it well 10 players out of 100 is only 10% get your majority and we will talk again. still then you need to consider whether those that are pro it shouldn't receive the 5000 Gold in equal shares. Thats of course if you havent diffied it up already. You know those that are so quick to say I dont want government funding
Hey buddy, what's the deal with this "score political points" crap? I'm not interested in any of the current eIrish politics. When a govt emerges that will take on the eBrits, I might be.
In the meantime, the unit is for people who hold a variety of views and CS's and is not a militarised gang of scroungers.
It seems to me that Soldiers have a number of choices:
a) If they want to be part of the national army - they can join IA and get whatever benefits attach.
b) If they want to join in National Strikes they will get supplied according to the rules of the strike.
c) If they want some other form of camaraderie, help & encouragement they will join with friends, with whatever benefits attach.
or
D) If they want a real stake in government military spending, they should get a candidate member elected as CP and negotiate with whomever takes care of it now and Congress.
It's not really rocket-science.
You have a different view.
That's fine by me.
and your point is what. so if the totality of MU ins for the government 7000 Gold it must all go for the Irish Army? for what reason. Please motivate then.
Maybe MU funding should be based on the Canadian system?, where MU's are expected to be self sufficient and a certain % of Funding must be spent to achieve this,
To get funding MU's must show that they have a plan to achieve this inside a certain time frame and congress must approve the funding request, likewise congress can remove funding if it feels its being sent foolishly, of course there are requirements as to members activity its not a case of filling a MU with 200 dead members and getting funding based on 200 members.
MU's are also expected to account for MU funding that they receive and 3 independent auditors are appointed to examine the MU's supply/books ( doing different MU's each month to avoid any bias) and report monthly to congress that the funds are being spent wisely or unwisely.
Sounds good.
yes certainly anything but all the money just going to 1 MU?
Well, the main ones are already self-sufficient, not sure what we're meant to fund exactly.
Clerics as Multidimensioonal Monastery Military unit and as MMMU will never ask for anything from any government.
That would compromised our purity.
But Clerics also are independent souls and each of them have right to walk the way The Word had set for them.
What i find important in this article is WHO WILL benefit from golds earned by irish people.
To say IA deserve it all is retarded.....IA did not earn those golds but irish people.
Second....saying IA is privately funded is also retarded since we all know those ''private citizens'' upgraded and developed most of their companies with government's money...many times....
They say they are giving their companies for free to benefit Ireland....they get government funds....upgrade....buy more companies...etc...
But they never actually gave up the actuall ownership of those companies......and some time later everzbody forgets how those companies were upgraded and orcs can say it is private owned and not owned by government so they can abuse loyal irish citizens they dont like bz denying them suplies during national strikes....for example....
And those golds.....i expect full financial report for every gold and for what it will be used....
The goverment only pays for the wrm used in the communes, the companys used are 100% owned and paid for by the players involved without any goverment funding or subsidy, the goverment has never invested money into any of the players company's being used as Communes.
You perhaps are getting mixed up with the Q5 weapons company that the goverment used to have/run along with wrm companys?, that one was destroyed/melted along with others by a CP that went rogue and subsequently was impeached many moons ago.
but you have unlimited workers that work for your factory and you say the wrm is paid so basically your cost in producing 1 wep is 0 whilst bhan say pay 10 gold. that allows you to expand faster. also like kurgan said too many players in this country have much to much factories etc. even if you bought i still strange but ok the point is our competition gold must be divided and used to build more infrastructure. I simply cant see how this cant help our total damage and help MU's. Also i cant see any problems with this why should money lie there in government banks unused forever and you guys say total you get is say 114 * 2400 * 10 * 0.04 per day or 109440 per day at most. even half would be 55000 IEP per day.
10000 multiplied by 10 for some strange reason daily deficit of - 3000 to -7000 depending on your financials which is not provided to the public.
i don't current run any IA commune production and have not done so for several months.
The way it used to work and i assume it still does:
workers were paid the country minimum wage approx 6cc,
they made 20 weapons a day each so 4000 wrm was needed each
currently the market price of wrm is 0.04, so wrm would cost 160cc per employee and wages 6cc thus making 20 weapons would cost 8.30 per weapon.
To reduce costs, some IA workers were used to make only WRM, and the MoF would sell some of the excess Q7 weapons on the marketplace thus reducing the net cost of the weapons they were handing out for free.
Each day i would transfer the complete production of Q7 weapons to the MoF and pm him with the cost of the wrm used and wages paid and he would re-reimburse me.
At no time did i ever make a cent out of IA commune production, i did it solely to help the country and resent your false accusations that i or any other commune provider was making money out of it, i actually donated free wrm to the program every few days and was producing weapons at a cost 3cc or less most days.
Weapons cost money, they are not free everything has to be paid for somehow by the MoF
Taxes pay for MPP's
The gold is used in the Money Market to generate additional revenue, its this revenue which is used to cover the cost of the weapons for boot camp/IA and if needed in time of war/strategic battles Mercs, it isn't sitting idle not doing anything as you suggest.
Can gold be used to help MU's provide infrastructure "NO", but a share of the money we make from it every month on the money market "COULD BE", provided MU's submitted a plan and submit accounts to be audited, that way we protect our nest egg and still help all Irish citizens and MU's.
then they lied to you nogin as seanan did explain to me the system for every 10 weps made the owner gets 1. 20 would be 2. its not even my facts so if you still claim this ask seanan why you needed to work for nothing. yet again why is this turning into a discussion of the IA didn I say IA is well stocked. Donat some money for infrastructure. But alas I only met shortsighted people oh I dont want any, oh Ia cost nothing oh this oh that. well carry one I anyway do not donate to the government and whether you will win this game I seriously doubt. in truht your numbers will drop and drop as players gets tired of this one fanatic communist channel.
This is news to me!! and i want clarification by Seanan, I know one weapons factory owner wanted a cut of the weapons before he would let the IA use his factory, but i assumed this never took place as it wasn't listed on the commune list ever.
Perhaps seanan could just clarify if any commune is currently or ever has been letting the owners keep weapons for using the factory's.
that was the system i once placed an article about streamlining the IA and seanan said those exact words. Also I said improve everyone's infrastructure that would mean IA would get bigger slice because of more members more damage. to improve supply anyway require more infrastructure so one can just short circuit that and go for more infrastructure from the start.
Clarification away: I never said IA commune providers get a Q7 tank for every 10 made. RTK that is an outright lie. And you wonder why you're taken to task for trolling.
I've been arguing IA providers do not make a cent on IA production. That by volunteering their communes, they voluntarily reduce their income potential. The net outcome is either neutral or negative, there is no opportunity for the provider to gain an income from the weapon production.
yes 1 from 12 but was not certain about the distribution in 20? but you did say this. guess i will have to track another of your comments down. oh well....:F
Well the figures were a bit skewed with IBB not a member of the IA. Now that he has returned to the UK. (Sad for Ireland) the figures will be a little more accurate.
We will miss him. He was truly a sight to behold on the battlefield.
He was at that. Wow.
he returned to the banshees well anyway last week he was fighting for them.
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I'm not interested in gov funds (my personal opinion, not MU opinion).
Tbh, i'm not interested in anyhting outside our MU.
And I'm not saying that RtK is not correct. I agree with him. Such supplies are incorrect.
But who cares. Those 100 IA's won't vote for those who want to change this. And they'll support those who'll defend their free eLife.
This why from now I really don't care what happens in Ireland. It's a swamp for almost all time I'm here (since Feb?). And everybody are happy with this and don't want any changes. Let it be.
I'm not happy, (well, I'm happier now that Louth is back) but it certainly doesn't mean I agree with RtK/VK. There is only one way to change eIrish policy, and that's to get elected. When enough people vote for change it will happen, and not before 🙁
I'm happier with Louth back, too. = )
The new dynamics introduced with these new game mechanics, have finally made it possible. The cost/benefit ratios have been shifted drastically. We no longer must accept the loss of Louth to secure our other regions. There is no longer the realistic threat of a wipe from the eUK. A country their size will have great difficulty sustaining an occupation, with all the medal seekers who see them as an easy target.