PP Elections: Lessons to be Learned
SaraDroz
As some who read my articles are no doubt aware I am a keen student of history. One thing that has ALWAYS puzzled me historicly is how you 'defeat' a nation: When Hannibal invaded Italy and defeated Rome time and time again Rome could have made peace at any time. After losing 50,000 -70,000 men at Cannae and having already lost two battles before Romes military strength was severely depleted but their simple refusal to come to terms, or even ransom their prisoners, meant that however many battles Hannibal won the 2nd Punic War would not end until either Rome or Carthage were taken. Instead the Romans merely changed their strategy and in the end they won. I personaly have argued that Hannibal should have marched on Rome after Cannae but a rl Canadian Colonel believes this would have resulted in failure... another story.
"Gerroff mah land Hannibal!"
There are many other instances of this form of stubborn resistance; Britain after the defeat of France in WW2 was actualy offered terms by Germany but Churchill to use his own terms 'kept buggering on'. Indeed there is much to be commended in losing the first battle of a campaign; you learn from your mistakes while the victor rarely sees reason to change their tactics or organisation. The defeated adapt, the victors do not; Germany adapted her military strategy between the world wars, the victors of WW1 only started learning again after the first defeats of WW2... First defeats mean little IF you are stubborn and "keep buggering on"; the only battle that matters then is the LAST one.
The First Battle
It seems to be widely believed that the four people standing for PP of Norsefire Parties (Mia, OLloyd, Killer2001 and ArdikusV2) were the ONLY battles going on during the 15th; they weren't. Sperry, who has spoken out against corruption, and Rylde, after returning from EPC, were both standing to change the directions of 2 of our top 5 Parties. In every way their victories in EPIC and MDP are victories for the ' New Power Generation' (as Mia calls it). It also however drained votes that otherwise might have turned the balance in Norsefire Parties; if I was a member of a MDP or EPIC and wanted change my first duty would be make sure it happened in my Party...
Secondly the refusal of 'our brothers abroad' or EPC to support this movement for change evidently cost us dear; with 14 votes we would have won 2 Parties back and would be well placed for Congressional elections. This MUST change. EPC share our goals - or proclaim to - it is time they came home and reclaimed the eCanadian Constitution. Seriously guys if eCanada got 'wiped' how would achieve our goals? The same system would continue when we were liberated... Otherwise stop calling yourself 'Exiled Patriots' and get on with helping your adopted ecountries.
A failed strategy.
The Next Battles
In my last article 'Serious Article: Reform Without Organisation' I urged that we concentrate on one target; clearly we could have won CanVision at least had we done so. However some were regretably naive and thought that simply appealing to peoples 'better nature' would be sufficient. Nor was there a 'stategic voting' command during the day whereby voters could be directed so that vote counted most. Again the elections in EPIC and MDP also detracted from the possible numbers that could have influenced the vote elsewhere.
Some think that though eCanadians largely disagree with the pardon etc (80% in the last survey) they are just too lazy to do anything about it. I disagree; two of our top 5 Parties have clearly changed direction for the better. More votes will be available next time. More than anything else we need a dedicated Strategic Voting command next time. Someone or people who will sit on IRC and watch how the voting is going and direct voters who wish to help to where thier votes will count most. A friend of mine is a past master of this...
An Alternative Strategy?
It has been suggested to me that an alternative strategy is possible; strengthen an existing 'free' Party and replace a Norsefire Party in the top 5 with a 'free' one. I have never in my 3.5yr elife been a PP so it is not realy my job to urge this. However there are benefits to this idea; it would enable greater planning and organisation and more punch in Congress which, after all, will be the second battleground once the Parties are 'liberated'. In some ways it might even be a 'short cut'. I leave others to consider this. The only problem I see with this is that MDP may fall out of the top 5 and not a corrupt Party.
Congress Elections Strategy
Reclaiming Parties fallen to corruption is only one part of this camapign. The final battle can ONLY be won in Congress. As a Congress that condones corruption and illegaly pardons thiefs has amassesd all power to it's own hand the final battle of the ' New Power Generation' MUST be in Congress: Win this and Parties do not matter. Now we know that some 80% of eCanadians disapprove of the pardon, though they are not sure sure of the way forward. I shall stand for Congress and try to introduce and anti corruption law such that any proved to have bought votes will be banned from Congress debates. Since the Speaker can now do this without reference to the Courts justice will be swift and our prime objective is obtained. I suggest that all those who would support such a law when standing for Congress let them wear a specific avatar.
Conclusions
We have lost 4 battles in a war; we have won 2 lesser battles. The task is NOT impossible; 14 votes would have reclaimed 2 Parties. We need organisation and planning. Also winning the Parties back is NOT our sole, nor even final objective. We must start planning and organising NOW for the final battle that MUST be in Congress.
I am not a quitter and will not conceed defeat.
"We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. They do not exist." Queen Victoria
Comments
"Otherwise stop calling yourself 'Exiled Patriots' and get on with helping your adopted ecountries."
Well, we have stopped calling ourselves that because EPC has suspended operations. Some members have chosen to return to eCan, others are helping their adopted ecountries, others have chosen something else. The 14 votes were never there, I told you that many times, I told Mia that as well.
If those votes were so important, you should have bought them or asked me for the money to buy them because it was available; never show up to a gunfight with a knife.
When is someone gonna try and claim TCOp...we feel left out
I understand the message but I gotta get things cleaned up in my own party first before i can even consider involving myself in other parties politics.
@ crisfire... you prompted congress to hand over the pardon to Rolo, why would he try and fight you now...
true.. we like tco.
@OLloyd
I was Kinda hoping Mia would take a shot at us but she seems to be MIA...though I have seen SWAC resurface after the PP elections, weird.
words from crisfire, msg bought and paid for by Rolo, sorry I was busy PP day voting against PTH while certain Canadians were shouting support for him, not that canadians are corrupt right
It could still be worth a shot seeing what happens when you PTO a couple Norsefire parties. I know the process would be enlivening. The long and slow road of adding something new to the political scene, instead of taking away something zombified, has less immediate appeal.
I suspect the real problem is a lack of active or engaged or far-sighted citizens that can fill a party that is PTOed. If it's meant to just stick it to Rolo et al, then it would work for a bit until they adapt their tactics (as you say) to counter what is being done.
I'm okay with running with a Crusade so long as I don't fool myself into thinking the solution is just over the next hill or even in the direction we're running. A good jaunt can be a bit of fun, though it may only delay/complicate what really needs to be done: generate more active AND competent leaders to direct the Top 5 parties.
Does anyone else find it funny that the "good guys" are saying we should organize and PTO Norsefire party's because they are "bad guys" that PTO'd some party's
Can we just do away with the stigma attached to an eCanadian that successfully wins a PP position in any party and stick with the dreaded PTO word for attempts made by foreigners.
@Aeriala just once I would like to see some evidence of me being "bought and paid for" by Rolo to accompany your numerous accusations
If Rolo likes TCO I think I need to quit TCO o_o
Aeriala doesn't deal in truths. He deals in falsehoods and dogmatic exclamations that reinforce the foundations of the bubble in which he lives.
He's the good guy, we're the idiots. He's always right, we're always wrong. He knows what's best, all we do is ruin things.
Some day people will realize yes Muglack you are useless, completely, and a troll that fosters Rolo. Crisfire is also a useless pos the enables. Truth is truth. Get it straight.
Thanks for proving my point.
pos the enables?
truth is truth
Get it straight
got it straight thanks
The issue is not that EPC did not return to bring 14 votes. The issue is that eCanada cannot organize itself to gather 14 votes.
Aeriala is right, eCan spent its day shouting to vote for PTH - and the USA still came to bail you out with the UK in spite of that.
Its a little bit of a stretch to say "eCan" spent its day shouting to vote for PTH
1 or 2 people do not make "eCan"
Thtas if we are being real about things
Ethel Rosenberg and Aeriala are not in the business of being "Real"
Not to rain on your parade, but this is going to fail miserably. Pass 10 anti-corruption laws if you wish, it will NOT stop people from buying votes. In reality, people who do are rareley the ones that go in chats and debates.
Also, don't make up statistics on the spot. Unless you've asked every single canadian about his opinion on the matter (which I know not to be the case, as I was not asked), making statistics regarding "the whole population" isn't going to work.
As I am seeing, a lot of people being declared "terrorists", "enemies of the state" and "criminals" are still winning elections.
The way to minimize corruption (it can never be fully uprooted) is to provide people with alternatives to selling their vote and positive, on top of the negative incentives not to do so.
The way to minimize corruption (it can never be fully uprooted) is to provide people with alternatives to selling their vote and positive, on top of the negative incentives not to do so.
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Yet another round of infighting, and finger pointing. Its sad. Elections were won or lost, we lost our war with eUK, we needed to eUSA. This is not the best of days for eCanada, but they aren't out last.
We have bigger fish in the pan that need to be dealt with, and the amount of fighting we do to one another, whether EPC, Norsefire, Rolo, or anyone else, is one of the many big fish. We spend more time fighting about these things then fighting on the battlefield I think.
"Rolo's a Terrorist and Thief" "EPC are Terrorists!" "Norsefire is Rolo's Empire." Who honestly cares? How does any of this truely help eCanada's cause? Whether you are Rolo, Norsefire, EPC or anyone else, we are all united by providence, by our love for eCanada, and that banner that flies over our heads whether we like it or not.
So buckle up, because we're all in the same car, and until we can get to the end of the line, we're all part of the journey through the future.
crisfire Day 1,610, 17:15
1d 5h 35m ago
Does anyone else find it funny that the "good guys" are saying we should organize and PTO Norsefire party's because they are "bad guys" that PTO'd some party's
Actually, is not funny that you are wrong? They (the "good guys") don't PTO'd the parties, they just tried to take back the parties that were PTO'ed before. Can be simple then this? And it is funny how you accuse everyone else for being or using multies, but not Rolo. Funny things in eCanada nowadays.
Ive only accused one person who was obviously a multi
A PTO is a PTO and I personally dont see a problem with any PTO as long as they are not done by foriegners
Saradroz is not a real person, but a figment of our nightmares.