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Good thing you moved those debates to the public section. Personally I don't think it is a really bad thing we're not in Asgard now. We still got our friends there and they will remain friends.

you mean Norway and Canada? Yup, they will stay are friends. Perhaps they are willing to leave Asgard now, and set up a new alliance with us?

I did my my best, to help them see reason, but sadly it was not sufficient. 🙁 I can't see any reason in there decision, so it makes me reconsider our Alliance. ATM. I prefer to be allied to you, Canada, Ireland and Portugal. 🙂

Maybe this is the start of a new habit. I hope more future presidents will take this example.
Yes indeed, but we have to be realistic. We cannot be sure to be against an Asgard country in the future when we are e.g. part of another alliance. The time will tell....

The Praetorian Guard will stop fighting for Finland, sorry we've already dropped 50million for them today. 😛

very mature.....

I agree with Van Spijck, if they don't want us, we have other allies who also could use our damage

then fight for them 😉 but don't make public statements like these. they only damage relations further.

They have already damaged relations Odan, in a relationship you get and give not just give.

exactly Joshua, you understand. 😉

you are doing your best, they don't understand what they are losing. You are a great nation.

Thank you Elynea!

IMO you've done well to avoid asgard anyway. They'll never be anything other than a small-time regional alliance bereft of international significance; at the mercy of the tide of geopolitics beyond their ability to influence.

We weren't trying to join them in the hope to to make big chances, we wanted to join them cause we are on friendly terms with them, at least so we thought seems a few players with in Asgard thought differently. If we want to join a alliance that makes impact we would join TWO aside from the fact that TWO really totally sucks, no problem with big strong alliances, but chocking the life out of smaller nations simply cause one can cause off overwhelming power is just sad way of playing a game.

why not join CoT???

perhaps in the future.

the future is tomorrow 🙂 ........... leave asgard for what it is ......apply another time and it looks like begging for it ....... and we'll never be equal to any member of asgard.

So why put in the effort.......

we're strengthening our ties with belgium for a while now and maybe they will/can help us getting into CoT.

Another option is to turn eNL into a merc country ,and fight for anyone that pays us .
Atleast the country will get some income that way and the world gets to know us in a different way 🙂

before we could join any other alliance we would need to hold a referendum.

does the merc option need a vote also??

if nation wide yes. but imo that only applies to official eNL state mu's so you do what you want in your MU 😉

why do you devide eNL in to two sides every chance you get......thats where our f***** problem is.
With attitudes like this we can never fight as one united country.
Plse stop the my side ur side thinking and attitude & start thinking as a TEAM plse

I don't think that's what he meant. If you want to be a merc it's your choice, if our countryt wants to become mercs, we should discuss about it

sure discuss it , vote on it ........ that was my question anyways .
What kind of answer do i get ....it only applies to state MU's , so do what you want in your MU......
Clearly a greeved opinion and one that shows that there are some that have a my side , your side attitude & way of thinking......
Politics is politics ........on a battlefield we should leave politics aside and fight for the same cause.....and as 1 TEAM....

And in TEAM there's no I .......

But to me that point seems to be soooooo far away........ and almost a mission impossibl atm

i'm sorry to read that all the work and effort we put in this failed.. 🙁

but sometimes things don't work for everyone, and this is a good eksempel🙁

must our relationship still be there and we hopefully meet again!

Thanks for your effort!

Hail Nederlandse Katten Fokkers Vereniging!!!

Let's start talks with Lithuania, maybe they want our damage?!

Waarom vechten we nog altijd voor Finland?! Heel jammer dit.

It is very disappointing to see Finland Congress reject :/ The past few days our Military has been fighting hard for Finland and with return Finnish congress has voted no. This we have lost great amount of bombs and damage.

It is great that Alfons Haschberg and several Norwegian and Swedish ministers helped gaining a Yes in the Swedish votes which they have worked hard and the Netherlands thanks them for their great effort.

We cannot co-operate with Lithuania, they are an enemy of Sweden and we remain an ally with Sweden.

Also thanks to the CP of Finland for his support for Netherlands of joining Asgard.

Don't forget that the Swedish Yes was because they don't have a Congress at the moment. Only the vote of the CP was enough.

But they have a choice of a National vote where all citizens can vote or CP vote but they chose to National Vote I believe :3

ElGorro, you impress me, well done. All I can ask Netherlands to do is to make a national MU and I'll be in touch

Thank you!

You should try again.

That's up to the community, but I don't see that happen.

It seems like the will is there among Finnish people, and you shouldn't throw that away. 🙂

This is sad. 🙁

You can blame the small and corrupt Finnish "elite" for this. Majority of Finnish people actually wanted Netherlands to join Asgard. The congress vote result was something like 16 yes votes and 5 no votes but somehow the elite managed to sabotage the final results. They make their own rules at the forum. They count votes from people who aren't even sitting in the congress (Fettis). They didn't even have any good reasons to vote against Netherlands... I guess they voted no just because our president (Attak) was in favor of Netherlands joining Asgard. "The elite" doesn't like Attak

And btw, I voted "Yes"

Very generous of you to vote 'yes'. However, I dont see how we can overcome this slap in the face for the second time. If the majority of Asgard actually wants us in, they have funny ways of showing it. Perhaps its time we will be somewhat more distant friends for a while. Honestly, we are not going to ge begging on our knees for a third time to be allowed in whats actually by far the weakest alliance on the planet. We wanted frienship, we got turned down based on influence. I guess thats that then.

Totally understand you guys! :/ That's probably how I'd feel too...

Damn Finnish elite. They only care about themselves

Saying that you were turned down when the vast majority of Asgard (over 80😵 voted in your favor is silly. What can you expect? Are you friends with every single member of the alliance? Or more like 80% of the alliance?

No one can be friends with everyone, and this showed that. Asgard policy might need tweaking, and freely admitting that is a step in the right direction.

recognizable... forums .....siiiiigh...

It's sad indeed, but it's reality. We can't change that. Well, let's move on.

This is a real shame.

Thank you to those that did vote for us.

We had more YES than NO votes but becuz of Finlands shitty forum rules they didnt count all votes.. and finnish congress is always sleeping so only few ppl keeps voting.

But anyways good luck to you guys!
(i voted for YES 🙂 )

According to the Asgard treaty, the Finish Defacto Congress,
don't got any more power or say in this matter, than WP Attak grants them, I can't see why he did not overrun there decision?

Bedankt voor je grote inzet! Dat sommige dingen niet zijn gelukt is jammer, maar de internationale politiek is helaas weerbarstig. Die Finnen snap ik echt niet.

Wat mij betreft proberen we het overigens binnenkort nog een keer. En daarnaast...
Ik denk dat we ook best over COT mogen nadenken.