Relationships between Ukraine and Indonesia
Mike Dreams
Hello, I will try to explain Ukrainian point of view on all of this 🙂
I will start with a bit of history.
Ukraine and Indonesia were long time friends in the past. We shared tw for multiple years both in Ukr and Indo cores. Around 1.5 years ago we renewed our tw agreement: Ukraine was to host Indonesia for tw in our cores, then we move our tw to Indonesian cores when determination raises: https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mofa-beberapa-update-tentang-luar-negeri-2726364
Many Asteria and Hydra accs were banned some time after that and Code became extremely overpowered. When Ukrainian cores were about to be wiped, we didnt use Indonesia to block Code, I talked to our friends in Belarus and we moved Indonesia there, where Indonesia stayed for long and had tws there.
Meanwhile we asked Indonesia to host us for tw, which would be very helpful at the time, because we were about to be fully wiped by Code and stay without any regs or tws.
While Indonesia didnt say 'no' directly, instead saying 'maybe later' for months(when agreement clearly stated that we can move in after 6 months), Indonesia effectively broke the agreement and didnt let us to move in.
Now about the recent events...
Ukraine occupies Russia together with our friends. Russia is our enemy both in game and rl.
We raised tax to 25% for a week to enchourage people to move away their factories. At the same time, we had no intention to keep it for long, because it damages our own workers 🙂
If Indonesia ever asked, we would share this info with you. But nobody ever contacted us.
So, on the day 5349 we lower our tax back to 1% and then the next day Indonesia ASes us without any reason or anything said.
Few days before it Indonesia ASed Spain(which we(Asteria) didnt react to) and NEd Serbia(which we decided can be a tw), all without saying a word.
Its cleary not a business of Ukraine what tax Indonesia has. Ukraine has no right to tell you what to do with your tax or what regions to take. But you have no right to tell us what to do with our tax.
Russia is a Code member, if someone places factories there, he accepts the risk that they have enemies and those enemies can take their regs.
Indonesia clearly intended to vote 'yes' and just attack us without a serious reason or saying a word to us.
The conversation between your and our presidents happened AFTER that. So our president could not threaten your president or provoke your president first, its Indonesian president who threatened and provoked us first.
This is full conversation:
Our president never threatened to attack Indonesia first. He told you that if you punch us first, we will punch back. He did not tell it randomly, he told it AFTER he learned of Indonesia's plan to attack us first.
Saying that we threatened or provoked you is simply a lie.
In fact, we tried to avoid confrontation even after your law.
For example, I tried to contact Indonesians in our old tw chat to this result:
Obviously, this is simply a lie to my face. Gajah.Mada actively plays the game and even was your president few weeks ago.
Now he says that Indonesia just wants to have fun being wiped. However, why does your government have to lie like this about everything?
Neither Ukraine nor Asteria has done anything bad to Indonesia.
And about the future...
Idk what Indonesia's plans are, it looked like your president just wants to go yolo and he hates Asteria. It would be stupid for us to fight you 1 on 1. If some of you want to go to 200k pp and waste your EBs, we certainly dont. We will trade your expensive damage for our cheap damage. We dont care if its Ukraine or someone else who takes regs from you.
There is no chance you can stay in Russia without our approval and its not worth to spend EBs to kick you a day earlier.
I do not fully understand your motivation. From the shouts it seems like Indonesian government wants us to wipe Indonesia far more than we care to do it. And your president cares far more about his ability to work in Russia than about Indonesia.
There was an article not that long ago with a poll about alliances, however I cannot find the results. Did the governemt publish the results? Can any Indonesian share where they were published and what the results are?
Thank you.
Comments
So you are a victim of somelse else whom you had never bother, sounds funny just review your own acts.
Ukraine is the cancer of Asteria. It must be removed.
Serbia should join Code.
Ukraine has brought a troubled Asteria, it should be removed.
Only Code is agreeing with you.
Hoaaaam 🥱
Hmmmmmm
I woke up and seeing this LMAO
First of all, THOSE POOR MINISTERS(HAHAHAHHHA) those people were on my term and the current CP NEVER bother to replace them or find a new one. Thus, NO GOVT REPRESENTATIVE on telegram group!
Personally, I left eUkraine chat room long time back AFTER one of your player showered us with "kind" words
Secondly and the most important, I'M DEADLY SERIOUS ON MY GOAL, WIPE INDONESIA 2022 as written in here https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-gov-juni-2022-2756232/1/20
MANY people supports me on that goal!! Unfortunately it failed on my term!! (BOOOOO!!!)
And for the poll result is Indo to "support" assteria and it doesn't mean we are going to join assteria. It's ONLY a starting point to mess around AND to achieve MY GOAL... AND with the current conflict IT'S COMING!! LET THE PARTY BEGIN!!
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> AFTER
You mean that incident when Indonesia was asked by Belarussian government to give a Belarussian reg to Romania, but decided to fight for no reason? Despite a promise that Indonesia can return and it not breaking any of your tws?
Do you mean WHEN it was Belarussian PRO CODE Govt and not Belarussian NONE GOVT PRO ASSTERIA? AND THEN BELARUSSIAN NONE GOVT PRO ASSTERIA TALKING SHITS on INDO TELE GROUP? WHO made that promise? Do you mean the PREVIOUS GOVT that NEVER informed or update ME about the international affair? ALSO, I guess it's FINE for you both side of Belarussian talking SHITS to us? We are a SMALL country, RIGHT? So, IT'S FINE to talk shit to us and THREATENING. SUCH A GREAT FRIENDSHIP THERE! WOOHOOOOOOO!!!
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U said : "Russia is our enemy both in game and rl"
Real life?
Its just a game broh..
They are sick Nazis.
First, Asteriya asked for peace for Ukraine because of the events in RL, so after a month, the entire Asteria attacked Russia. Ukraine seized Russian resources.
Hyenas and hypocrites
If you promote the boring "keep RL out of the game" and "Asteria vs Code" discourse, Serbia will be an ally of Ukraine and enemy of Russia forever. The game needs RL feelings otherwise it's just a playground of a few Asterian-Codean elites. In Asteria most countries are hostile to Russia by RL feelings this is why they attack Russia. Since Serbia is unsatisfied with the situation it's up to you to shake it up and change it.
Yeah anime boy, but the only real feelings you deem acceptable in the game are yours and those akin to yours. When it's something outside your pink-leftist-fairytale-anticolonial-globalist bs, it's always unacceptable.
Said the person who's CP ejaculated over Quran during the Serbia-Turkey war.
«In Asteria most countries are hostile to Russia by RL feelings this is why» ... they invited Russia to join Asteria.
Seems you are pretty much ignorant not only about RL but also about erep events 😋
nimnul : that was before the war.
Syrin : I don't know why you think this or how it is related to my thought.
You Codean people agree with PRC very much, but how does it change anything? I am dissatisfied with the gameplay and I think so is he this is why I am suggesting things, maybe something happens. Ukraine won't be kicked out of Asteria, and Russia won't be invited again.
aimei support UKR san and you are? what ?
a leftist russophobe, that is.
I am supporting the Free World. Nothing to do with Russopobia, leftism, or what I have written above. You used to come with arguments not insults.
You are supporting an anti-human terrorist regime.
Ordinary Ukrainians.
Apparently somebody doesnt read the news. They invaded us in real life.
let's joint natto
xDDDD
Don't be so serious. It's just a game. Let's having fun 😎
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Ukrainians in the game are full of hatred because they are frustrated in RL.
They asked for peace because of the war in RL, so they attacked Russia.
Miserable
Can you show me any proof of Ukraine asking for peace with Russia/Code?
It was Serbia who asked for peace, we didnt do such thing.
[eSrb MoFA] Call to stop all wars against eUkraine
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-esrb-mofa-call-to-stop-all-wars-against-eukraine-2749293/1/20
Miserable
Yes, Serbia asking for peace. Ukraine has never asked for it.
Thanks for proving me right and making yourself look like a total idiot😅
Kmeeeeew, we need weapons and peace to kill innocent civilians in Donbass.
Poor people who keep begging for help.
Europe will wise up, there is no more help, goodbye Ukraine forever.
Mike, we are playing this for a long time.
Flood in Serbia - peace
Earthquake in Croatia - peace
When something happens in RL - peace
I assume it's unwritten rule, as this is a game. We all should understand that RL issue is on first place.
Yes, as I know, it was Serbian Gov which proposed that, I agree with you, but that action was made by the unwritten rule which we have. RL on first place.
@kowalski_afc it's very interesting how you remember something that never happened, like peace for cro earthquakes. For neither of them
Kovalski is called a liar in Serbia.
He had several nervous breakdowns because of the game...
Mike Dreams you are just hypocrytes i know ukr gov where in the talks with Code hq so stfu and stop acting like victims cause in games you arent ...you are what u fight in rl .end of story
> Mike Dreams you are just hypocrytes i know ukr gov where in the talks with Code hq so stfu and stop acting like victims cause in games you arent ...you are what u fight in rl .end of story
Please make those talks public. With big screenshots.
Code HQ is public or didn't happen... it isn't happening for us anyway.
@TheEugen101
I don't count CRO servers xD
@kowalski, please,be graceful enough to accept you're making stories up.... it's disgusting
@TheEugen101 of course he doesnt count cro servers he is busy countind serbian ones ....tough job
aimei support UKR san, Ukraine isnt a code member, if someone asked for peace in code hq, that certainly wasnt Ukraine.
What Vaggelisker can possibly refer to is that Zeus Christou contacted Ukr president in the game FIRST, gave us words of support about RL and told that Code is willing to nap Ukraine.
We responded that we are grateful for support and enchourage Code players to support Ukraine in RL, but we are not interested to ask for peace with eRussia or their allies in the game.
Vaggelisker is either just lying or simpy too unimportent to Code hq to be well-informed.
Yeah Mike never wanted the peace with Code, THAT'S WHY JOINED THE TG GROUP AT THAT TIME 😃 TO TELL US HE DON'T WANT PEACE. What a hypocrite 🙂
Please dont be emptyworded. Show screens of me joining whatever group you are talking about and asking Code for a peace.
It is what it is...
It's funny when your President said that Indo has no friends while your alliance member keep sending message claim to be Indo's friend and dictate us what to do.
We never ask for TW with Serbia, we might really want to have war at that time but they think it's better to have TW. We also didn't want to have TW with Romania, why they send DoW to Indonesia without ask our opinion first about that? We always reject Bulgaria TW proposal many times because they asked us to block your enemy many times without telling the truth. We have TW with USA because we have border in our core and we think USA is a good TW Partner (compare with other asteria member)
even I dislike some of CODE member, they treat us better than your alliance.
Last thing, you might think that our goal is for resources? No, we just want to kick you but you hide behind your ally and once again Serbia dictate us what to do. They always try ask to our govt what happened without try to resolve it from your side (by asking your CP what's happened)
even your alliance leader literally said that "I have contacted him and he unsure of the issue"
Its Indonesia who started sending laws towards Asteria first without saying a word.
If you didnt send NE to Serbia, there would be no tw with Serbia.
If you didnt send laws to Spain, Serbia and Ukraine without saying a word, Romania wouldnt send laws to you without saying a word.
>Last thing, you might think that our goal is for resources? No
I dont think your goal is for resources. But thats what your president claims when he is asked by other people, that he cant work in Siberia.
>without try to resolve it from your side (by asking your CP what's happened)
Its interesting to say that after you said "we just want to kick you". Maybe you should have tried to resolve it from your side.
Yeah, we are unsure why Indonesia attacked us without a reason and there is no way for us to resolve it on our side.
"If you didnt send laws to Spain, Serbia and Ukraine without saying a word, Romania wouldnt send laws to you without saying a word."
Romania DoW is not related to Spain, Serbia, or Ukraine
I didn't said that Romania send law without saying a word, I just said that they never asked our opinion
Their CP send a message but he said
"I Will propose DoW on you and I want to temporary take one region from you in China in order to have a border with Argentina and try to attack them there."
They didn't ask whether we agree or not and just sent the law
Kody once asked to xbuzter in Indo-USA Channel
he ask "would Indonesia be willing to give passage to romania to attack Argentina"
my question, did Kody also ask about it to the current CP?
Kody know that xbuzter are already fixed to handle the money from previous month government and not really related to the current government
Its very related. Romania is a friend of Spain, Serbia and Ukraine.
Did Indonesia ask Spain's opinion about your law? Did Indonesia ask Serbia's opinion about your law? Did Indonesia ask Ukraine's opinion about your law?
It seems Romania treated you better than you treat others, they at least informed you what they are about to do.