PLATO'S BIGGEST SCAM(?)
beebeam
Definition of terms
players = refers to the number of players, some accounts might be played by 1 player
citizen/account = refers to the number of accounts, 1 player might have more than 1 account
[ENGLISH]
Whenever we visit the homepage of this game, a list of Top Countries is displayed, ranking countries based on their respective populations. Currently, Indonesia holds the 1st position with 3766 citizens.
However, I have doubts regarding the accuracy of this claim. When I manually counted the number of accounts, I found less than 200, whereas the displayed data indicated over 4000 citizens. This suggests that only about 1/20 of the population I observed is accounted for.
So, where did the number 3766 come from? And are there 34507 total citizens in this game?
Initially, I made the assumption that all the citizens in the game were either multiple accounts or accounts that had been inactive for less than 30 days. However, a peculiar discovery occurred when I accidentally checked my list of friends whom I had invited to join the game using my referral code.
In December 2021, I invited a friend from another game to try this game, as she expressed interest in playing browser games. Initially, she encountered difficulties during the registration process. She first created an account named "Tri Mahdia," and I received a notification about it. However, she informed me that she couldn't log in (the exact reason remains unknown as she did not provide further details). Subsequently, she attempted to register again and created an account named "Mahdiatri" since she couldn't use the same name during registration. Unfortunately, she encountered login issues once more, possibly due to skipping a step or facing another failure. Eventually, she decided to give up, and I also forgot about this issue without seeking assistance from the admin.
Now, here's the problem with this story: one of the accounts she created is still active to this day. There are no indications of inactivity on the profile badge, and upon checking the profile data, it appears to be an active account.
Then I came up with a theory. what if the data provided by Plato represents the accounts declared as "alive" by the system, rather than the actual number of active players? Could it be possible that an error in a system sub-process has caused certain accounts to bypass the checking process? Furthermore, what if this error has persisted for an extended period of time, potentially spanning several years?
Only the developer can determine whether the theory I presented above is correct. They have the access to verify whether the listed data accurately reflects the declared amount of active account data and identify any overlooked sub-processes that may have caused accounts inactive for more than 30 days to be erroneously labeled as active.
In order to address the theory mentioned earlier, I initially considered examining all Indonesian citizens using a programming approach. However, upon further consideration, I realized that my current knowledge is insufficient and I lack the necessary resources to proceed with this approach. This is primarily due to the limitations imposed by eRepublik, which restricts access to fetch JSON data from local servers.
Then, I remember that some of erepublik external tools regularly conduct data crawling. Curious about this, I decided to use one of these tools, specifically https://erepublik.tools/en. I used its feature called "Citizen Ranking" and navigated to the Indonesian tab: https://erepublik.tools/en/society/citizen-ranking/49/0/general.
Upon accessing the last page in the experience (exp) section, I discovered that there were a total of 561 accounts stored in the dataset.
However, what confused me was the absence of Tri Mahdiah account in this dataset. It appears that these tools have categorized the account as inactive, which aligns with the account's actual status of remaining inactive since its creation.
Now, let's consider the overall population of the eWorld. According to Plato's data, the number of citizens amounts to 34 thousands. However, when we refer to the data from the eRepublik tool, it indicates a lower count of only 15 thousands accounts (though this is still a significant number).
So, who can we trust in this world
Definisi kata
pemain = mengacu pada jumlah pemain, beberapa akun mungkin dimainkan oleh 1 pemain
citizen/account = mengacu pada jumlah akun, 1 pemain bisa memiliki lebih dari 1 akun
[BAHASA INDONESIA]
Setiap kali kita mengakses halaman awal dari permainan ini, kita akan diperlihatkan daftar Top Countries berdasarkan jumlah penduduk tiap negara dengan Indonesia menduduki peringkat 1 (3766 penduduk)
Benarkah Indonesia memiliki penduduk sebanyak itu dipermainan ini? Karena terakhir kali saya menghitung (secara manual) saya hanya mendapatkan kurang dari 200 pemain yang ada di Indonesia sedangkan data pada saat itu ada di atas 4000 penduduk.
Berarti hanya ada sekitar 1/20 penduduk yang saya kenali.
Lantas, darimana angka 3766 pada halaman awal permainan ini didapatkan? Dan apakah benar ada 34507 penduduk di permainan ini?
Awalnya saya hanya menduga bahwa semua penduduk tersebut adalah akun multi dan akun-akun yang tidak aktif kurang dari 30 hari.
Hingga suatu hari saya tidak sengaja melihat list daftar teman yang saya undang ke permainan ini dan menemukan sebuah kejanggalan.
Pada desember 2021, saya mengundang seorang teman dari permainan lain untuk mencoba permainan ini (karena dia sedang suka bermain permainan browser). Awalnya ia mengalami kegagalan pada saat mendaftar dan memutuskan untuk mencoba kembali proses pendaftaran. Saya ingat akun pertama yang dibuatnya bernama Tri Mahdia. Pemberitahuannya masuk ke notifikasi saya namun ia mengatakan ia tidak bisa melakukan proses login (entah apa yang terjadi pastinya ia tidak mengatakan kepada saya). Kemudian dia mengulangi proses pendaftaran lagi dan membuat akun dengan nama Mahdiatri (karena dia tidak bisa memasukkan nama yang sama pada saat pendaftaran) namun ia kembali tidak bisa login (mungkin ada proses yang dilewatinya atau dia gagal kembali pada proses pendaftaran. Akhirnya ia memutuskan tidak jadi bermain di permainan ini dan saya pun telah melupakan permasalahan ini serta tidak menanyakan kepada admin.
Lalu, apa permasalahan dari cerita tersebut? Permasalahannya adalah salah satu akun yang dibuatnya masih aktif. Tidak ada tanda dead citizen pada badge profilnya dan apabila dicek data profilenya masih dikatakan hidup
Kemudian saya membuat sebuah teori. Bagaimana jika data yang disajikan oleh Plato adalah data jumlah akun yang dinyatakan hidup oleh sistem dan bukan data jumlah pemain aktif? Bagaimana jika ada sebuah eror pada sub-proses sistem yang mengakibatkan akun-akun tersebut lolos dari pengecekan? Dan eror ini telah berlangsung selama bertahun-tahun.
Hanya developer yang dapat menjawab apakah teori saya di atas benar atau tidak. Mereka dapat memeriksa apakah jumlah data yang tertera memang benar merupakan jumlah data akun yang dinyatakan masih hidup dan apakah ada sub-proses yang terlewat yang mengakibatkan beberapa akun yang sudah tidak aktif lebih dari 30 hari tetap dinyatakan masih hidup.
Untuk sedikit menjawab teori di atas, saya hendak memeriksa seluruh penduduk berkewarganegaraan Indonesia dengan menggunakan pendekatan pemrograman. Namun setelah saya pikirkan kembali, ilmu saya tidak memadai dan saya juga tidak memiliki sumber daya untuk melakukannya (karena ternyata erepublik membatasi akses fetch data JSON dari local server)
Kemudian saya teringat bahwa beberapa tools eksternal erepublik melakukan Crawling Data secara rutin. Saya kemudian membuka salah satu tools eksternal yaitu https://erepublik.tools/en dan menggunakan salah satu fiturnya yaitu Citizen Ranking dan membuka tab Indonesia https://erepublik.tools/en/society/citizen-ranking/49/0/general.
Dan jika kita buka page terakhir pada bagian exp, maka akan kita dapatkan jumlah data yang disimpan adalah sebanyak 561 akun.
Anehnya setelah mengambil seluruh data yang ada, saya tidak dapat menemukan akun Tri Mahdiah.
Artinya, tools tersebut telah menganggap bahwa akun tersebut tidak aktif dan kenyataannya memang sudah tidak aktif sejak pertama dibuat.
Lalu bagaimana dengan seluruh populasi eworld? Data Plato mengatakan bahwa ada 34 ribu penduduk. Sedangkan data tools erepublik mengatakan hanya ada 15 ribu akun (walaupun itu tetap terlihat banyak)
Jadi, siapa yang bisa kita percayai di dunia ini
Please fix this too
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Hmmmm
You should send this article to the Stillfront group. Their management would love to know what's the real value of their acquisition.
This is actually quite big.
I did sent an email to their group. I got no answer, they dont care. LOCAL ADMINS!!! from romania, do whatever they want with this game as they contrl everything. Check their linkedin profiles. I am waiting to be banned because I posted and said those things. so 🙂 stay safe and dont show anything as they will cry and than will ban you.
Stillfront Group management every year has to decide their budget. These budgets in large companies are formulated in great detail with really expensive consultants.
Because they have to give the maximum profit to the shareholders, they have to ensure proper utilisation of their budget and cut off something that's not making money.
Sometimes, companies will also put in money if they see growth and write off the loses. This is determined with hard data and strict conditions.
IF the user data is fake. And IF this data is being presented to the management before every budget meetings. Stillfront Group won't be happy and no amount of local Admins can interfere with this.
Alexis Bonte is Chief Operating Officer at Stillfront.
Quite big? Did you notice the "growth" in the number of players during the Zebedee event? Consider at the same time that Mr Bonte is advisor at Zebedee and COO at Stillfront, and think of how great those reports about organic user number growth look.
You can check Singapore, its "owned" by one player, named Morphine, he is in control of all players from singapore, in all divisions. Also from what I saw, he has romanian and indonesian accounts as well. I have logs I gave to the local admins, they dont care, they know him in person. So my theory is, if you know any admin from romania in person you can play with whatever you want and do whatever you want, you wont be punished. 🙂 Sad...an big account as him 1500+ lvl to act like a shit one, playing with so many clones in wars, just because he dont want to pay for MP to go against others in all divisions 🙂
i realized when every single election, he's always win. idk why, now i know.
me also clone
also, money politic. https://www.erepublik.com/en/party/udelmoe-5743/1
Stillfront Group management every year has to decide their budget. These budgets in large companies are formulated in great detail with really expensive consultants.
Because they have to give the maximum profit to the shareholders, they have to ensure proper utilisation of their budget and cut off something that's not making money.
Sometimes, companies will also put in money if they see growth and write off the loses. This is determined with hard data and strict conditions.
IF the user data is fake. And IF this data is being presented to the management before every budget meetings. Stillfront Group won't be happy and no amount of local Admins can interfere with this.
if you are interested, we can talk about it and show all the proves i have regarding entire country of singapore and the only one person that is in control of everything ( probably I am wrong, it might be 2 players, that control everything ) with one look of erep box you will understand that morphine and shich are the ones that do everything
I was in Singapore before (check my TP progress)
I can say that there are 4-5 active romanians player and 3 Indonesian (4 if include me) player at that time
I don't know and don't wanna comment about the past old day or the day after I back to Indonesia
4 5 players on entire country, now is in control of one or two players ( ONE - Morphine ) or two with Schich ... but they are only two in control of entire country and nobody will dare to attack them. I saw indonesian accounts that they own as well
Singapore is much more make sense
Did you know that Murthu literally control India
I even become Murthu#66
My only problem is with one person, Morphine from Singapore, in rest I really dont mind if others are playing with clones ( at least rarely they put it in wars, they use them for jobs and stuff lke that ) but this one is using all the clones on wars and you cant compete with that
e Indonesia Was control by Me, LOL
I saw somethig similar in spain with some lvl1 no exp accs created for a concrete mu xD
MU commanders can do a quick check to see if any of their members are dead on the members page. there is a small icon that indicates a dead citizen. and if the commander's account accesses the MU JSON page, the commander can fetch data whether the member is alive or not
https://postimg.cc/JGXc5Jnr
Good article.
But there is a problem with the logic:
The number of accounts that are active, inactive, deleted, etc, doesn't matter to anyone (they or us).
There's only 2 numbers that matter:
1- the number of players that play for free. This number is important because they use resources (CPU time,network bandwidth, support staff), act to impact the game state (by wining battles and producing/selling items) and they take part in creating the community.
2- the number of people who pay.
Nope. Read my comment.
I expect there are at least 300 Indonesian flag in a single real war, yeah that's matter to me
I was Indonesian CP for a couple of month and been in every political title in this game
I know how many Indo player that active in battle, active in economy and active in politic
I expect more because that numbers 🙂
So there are only app. 5k real players (real people) left playing this game, lol.
Even some players are only active when there is an event. And go back to hibernate in ordinary days 😅
Only bots play this game, good luck
Bots play this game is better than a dead account that labeled as alive
Nice article!
I'm here to confirm that admins roam freely in Romania.
Take a look at my secret recipe:
USE erepublik_stable_5251
GO
UPDATE player_stats
SET gold = 9999
WHERE player_id = 8504818
bagus sih.. cuman.. admin gt sih ya
clonenya narkoba, hayoo ngaku
14588 citizens with >0 XP on erepublik tools.
And 2XP during your entire eRep career doesn't mean you're active.
I picked one at random and am surprised that https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/9690594 is alive.
I have my doubts... As eRepublik tools so helpfully tells us: there was no visible activity in the past 2 weeks.
because this game declare you as dead citizen after inactive for more than 30 days
Who quits after gaining 2 XP? I find most of these new accounts really weird. If you think it's enough of an interesting game to create an account, why quit after working or training once?
just like me in 2015
I register and quit after doing 1 work because I don't understand how to play it in that year
Citizens number XXXXXX are mobile app registrations
Regarding your status as eIndonesian governor: ask the Indonesian CP to set somebody else...
I think it's great that eRepublik doesn't make a big fuss if government members emigrate, especially since there are no associated in-game powers, and there might be good reasons to temporarily be abroad while still acting as a government member.
They give the same solution
The problem is, you can't change your citizenship while having any political title "govt, dictator, or congress"
and I did the same thing before
https://postimg.cc/wRYLm6Z2
Still not fixed until now even after I reported it a year ago
https://postimg.cc/5Ysz9Y9P
if we check my personal profile, we can found that I still have my country title but I don't have any political title in my hovercard data
https://postimg.cc/XGs2MYRW
and of course I can't access Indo country feed from my account, so it's useless
The only way it would be useful would be if you were actually still in function. I check country pages to see who to contact if I want to contact a specific government member, be it the CP, MoFA, governor, etc. And others like me might therefore contact *former* government members if the CP doesn't update this list.
It's really sloppy from the Indonesian CP to effectively leave former government members to remain in a position of power, even if they (potentially) have emigrated to another country.
A governor might receive questions about payments, a MoFA might get diplomatic offers, etc. There are definitely ways to abuse these political titles if you have one while you shouldn't. In cases of diplomacy even by simply passing these messages along to the wrong people.
Where does it say you cannot change citizenship while having political titles? It's not on the https://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Applying_for_citizenship wiki page.
but I still active as a governor
I still issuing money from Indo org, but all receiving will be direct to the CP
I also help CP with all other thing like watching batle while MOD busy or help with foreign affair when MoFA busy. there is no limit to me currently from Indo govt for doing anything I can help 🙂
about changing citizenship while having political title, I get an error when I tried it a year ago, but somehow I discover a trick to 'pass' it. and I did it again a few month ago
I don't have personal experience with organizations but from what I read, they are set by the administrators of the game.
https://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Applying_for_citizenship#Requisites
* The citizen must not be a member of congress
* The citizen must not be in a political party
When I changed citizenship, I got the error "you are in a political party"; after I quit the party I got the error "you are a member of congress"; after I resigned congress I could apply for citizenship.
After my citizenship was accepted I couldn't join a political party but I created a party.
The fix for me was to use the "logout" button (which for many of us did nothing for a long time) and then login again. While doing that I used Control+F5 to really refresh each and every page.
Keren om beebeam tulisannya, mencerahkan!!
No news. Sweden has about 60-70 active players but is listed at 180
They wake up accounts
https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/5349457
https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/5195497
https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/5130141
https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/5129727
https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/5075560
From the last page of my invited players.
I really suggest each of us look trough our invited players, collect these kind of accounts in an article and send it to Stillfront.