Fao: Lucy28 and Select28
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by Mr Knee
This is actually a serious question asked in good faith. Obviously I think both of you are guilty of times of BH sniping and both of you think I too am guilty of this. As far as that debate goes, I don't think we'll agree so putting a line under that for this article. As I say, I ask this intended in good faith.
As part of the discussion I made this point:
Tonight I went into battle around 30 minutes and dropped damage of to bring it up to 263,685,259
The other 36m of damage was done by Allan Saltwater.
Approaching 50 minutes, Oliver Q turned up and did 249m damage to bring it up to 539,372,304 and to take the lead by circa 23m.
In light of the prior accusations and the baseline where we all make these judgements, would you
a) Consider Oliver Q's damage to just over mine to be an attempted BH snipe?
b ) And if either of you were in my place, would you feel justified in turning up with a few minutes to go and do just enough late damage to take back the BH win?
c) And following from b ) if either of you happened to be in Oliver's position and I chose to do a last minute grab, would you see it as evidence of me as BH sniping?
d) Considering I can usually do around 200m plus damage per hit with full energy (ie, no use of energy bars) and I know Lucy28 is capable of hitting harder, do you consider Allan's initial early damage of 36m damage to be the marker for being the rightful claiment to the BH?***
^ Not intended as a trick question. As I say, I ask in good faith and am wondering where you draw the line in terms as to how much effort a person has to put in to be able to claim the BH is morally theirs to take back.
And throwing the question out to the casual reader of this article...
As per the original screenshot I put up, do people agree with me that the older community spirit where people were more careful has long since departed and that in the recent times people are generally more dick-ish towards each other when it comes to fighting for BH medals? And does anyone else think the general dickery has been a little bit worse since the daily challenge offered points for winning a medal?
Just looking now in a battle just about to end I see:
source: https://www.erepublik.com/en/military/battlefield/447694/0/battleZoneStatistics (round 7)
^ Is this a BH snipe attempted at around 60 minutes ? Hmmmmmm....
And in another battle about to en
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^ That is an interesting last minute burst of damage doing from about minute 1:25:00... Hmmmmmm....
Meanwhile slightly earlier in Division 2:
This too looks a little bit sus, although I think I have seen Glen Bank typically do about 6 million in division two so with the amout of damage done, maybe it is low enough to be considered fair game to conveniently overtake.
There are quite a few other battles tonight where the winning damage is close but the damage graph suggests both the main players were adding last minute damage so it is unclear who was technically winning at any given point in time.
These were just a handful flicking through the UK battles in the last couple of hours. I see this happen daily.
a) Does anyone know the actual rules of when it is ok to challenge for a BH medal?
b) Does the wider player case care and only get annoyed if they think someone has done it to them?
And lastly
While I suspect any investigation you might carry out is probably going end up with you just signing off Keithunder's report of "Anyone who is a member of the Pirate Cat party is guilty and everyone else is innocent" because it has always been that way, if you do actually look into this, the issue is very much a community issue and not simply a "who do you like most" between two groups.
*** while ignoring that Alexander J. Burrell would have overtaken Allan by a few million to win the BH if neither myself or Oliver had turned up
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I just think that if you see someone else on the board if you think you are going to over hit them don't do it and try somewhere else
There are plenty of medals available, plenty of battle thanks to govt. policy, let's give everyone a chance to win one!
The concept of TW is an agreement between gov of two countries to win/lose.
On your top graphic Oliver won the BH which was legit as it looks to be a lose battle.
If you had put down ~400k then he would have had to upset the wall/domination pts and the count would then start from the other side again.
We all have RL as well as this daft game and if one calculates the time in order to fit in with this, winning on a lose battle royally screws it up!
Our CP normally puts win/lose oder up as soon as possible but if there are more than 1 or 2 contests it should be plainly obvious which it is?
e.g. I put down ~70k and later 10mins before battle close Butter put down 211k; this on a win battle. I did not challenge this taking into account resources/economic viability and so Butter got the SH.
Maybe someone can explain in a more succinct fashion?
The Oliver Q example isn't legit, it's a perfect example of what not to do. He's overhitting someone from his own country for a BH on the losing side of a TW. It annoys the person you overtake and the people who have to waste damage to correct the wall. If it happens regularly, you end up with countries deciding it not worth having TW's with you.
"On your top graphic Oliver won the BH which was legit as it looks to be a lose battle."
By that logic, people are free to do late damage to overtake a fellow eUKer by a small margin providing we don't win a "to be lost battle". Do I understand this correctly?
Could I politely ask you to address this question:
"c) And following from b ) if either of you happened to be in Oliver's position and I chose to do a last minute grab, would you see it as evidence of me as BH sniping?"
If I understand your post correctly, then you would be perfectly fine with me late on dropping in and doing that extra 10% of damage to win the medal? And You'd wouldn't consider it a case of me stealing your medal?
@ Rory was it Oliver who caused the domination tip? This is only a snap shot so I did not commit to blaming anyone.
Only what you have said is very real in that certain people overhit on losing side just for an SH. I have had to warn others they are getting very close to tipping point!
Yeah, you can see on the graph, someone tipped it over slightly which the NZ player corrected, then again after Oliver Q.
Look at it this way, if you want to annoy a whole country and mess with their TW's, you'd do this exact thing. Try it on Ireland and see how many angry messages you get 🙂