[HoL] These Lords, Spiritual and Temporal
Arthur Wellesley
The great debate over the House of Lords continues to rage, and there is still no clear cut victor. At the time of my writing this, I am grieved to report that the bill to abolish the House of Lords has a majority, with 17 MPs left to vote.
I have been one of the most vocal supporters of the House of Lords, and as a Lord myself it is easy to see me as an entirely interested party. Some would say you should mistrust my opinion, that I am of the old guard, an elitist who doesn't care for democracy.
To these charges, I say to you, when you board an airliner to fly from City A to City B, who do you want in the Captain's seat of your 747? Do you want a 23 year old with 500 hours who has been flying since he got out of high school, or do you want the grizzled Captain with thousands of hours who has been flying since that 23 year old was in diapers? There's the old phrase "Old age and cunning will always beat youth and skill". I would say that being a member of the old guard is not a bad thing, but a good thing for all of us. This 'old guard' used to be a group that was trusted and respected, players that have been around, that know the game, that have seen the good, the bad -- and the ugly. Why is it such a bad thing to give that group the chance to let their experience go to good practice? Instead of doing that, there are bills on the floor to dissolve their traditional House, the House of Lords, or to emasculate it through removing it's voting ability and imposing term limits.
What of democracy? When the United States of America was founded, a little known fact about the American government is that the founders of the country had their upper house, the Senate, chosen by state legislators. They were not directly elected. Surely, you would not wager that the United States is a non-democratic government? Sure, it has warts, but so do all democratic governments. No system is perfect. The House of Lords is a body that elevates members to it's ranks, if they choose to accept, and those nominations (as we have recently seen) are subject to the oversight of the popularly elected House of Commons. Instead of destroying the institution, why not examine other options of appointment. For example, could not the Government appoint members to the House of Lords? The Government is just as accountable to the people as the House of Lords are: indirectly, through the House of Commons.
Furthermore, how democratic is the House of Commons? Have any of these MPs screaming for the dissolution of the upper house gone back to their Constituencies and asked their voters what their wishes are towards the House of Lords? Have they presented an unbiased account of the arguments for and against repeal, or the options for reform? Have they, they that love to speak of democracy, actually participated in the two-way street that we call democratic representation? I say nay, I would be shocked to find even ONE MP in the House of Commons that has practiced what he preached! They say the House of Lords is undemocratic! I say, if the Lords are undemocratic, so too are the Commons! Let us dissolve both before we dissolve one or the other, for neither are perfect, but with work the two can work together to better the UK!
Yes, I am an interested party. I have been in the House of Lords for a while now, but I was also an MP. I've seen the best -- and the worst -- of our little eDemocracy. Nothing is perfect, but I ask you to preserve this institution and help the Lords make it better, rather than destroying it and offering us no hope of improving the situation. Do not give up on the House of Lords, rather, and let us have government!
I am, etc.
Arthur Wellesley
Comments
Cool story, brah.
You cite the founding of America as undemocratic like it's not true.. Lol.
You suggest dissolving the HoC? What? The HoC is nothing more than an extension of the in-game Congress, with an ability to discuss externally. You can dissolve the Forum entity but Congress will still exist. Ridiculous argument.
HoL makes guarantees for stability of our politicial life.
Have they presented an unbiased account of the arguments for and against repeal?
*cough* aye 😃
*more coughing?
'Do you want a 23 year old with 500 hours who has been flying since he got out of high school, or do you want the grizzled Captain with thousands of hours who has been flying since that 23 year old was in diapers?'
Then get the experienced people running for congress.
lol, Inday.
The experienced guy is flying the biplane along side the jet trying to blart instructions out >.
I would hardly describe myself, a six times congressman and four times minister, twice leader of the most powerful party in the UK, as inexperienced.
I would hardly describe Malta_1990, (at least) nine times congressmen, ex-President, numerous times a minister, as inexperienced.
I wouldn't describe Mr Woldy, 5 times congressman and 3 times a minister as inexperienced.
There are more experienced congressmen then experienced & active Lords. In fact, the Lords aren't all that experienced, except in specific roles.
Also, typing in a faux Queen's English British accent when you aren't British makes you look like you take your emulation of your namesake a little too seriously.
And as for taking things back to our constituency, you obviously don't understand what 'representative democracy' is. Well we perfected it here over in blighty, you might want to read about it sometime
First time Ive read a pro-HoL article that ive enjoyed. Arthur elegantly tells us just why it should be abolished!
Experianced players chipping in is indeed a very good thing, their opinions can and will be listend too. Its called public discussion.
Voting rights? Its undemocratic and elitist.
No term limit? Nepotism
I would like to present this from the online dictionary to run a parallel against the current HoL.
dictator
1.
a. a ruler who is not effectively restricted by a constitution, laws, recognized opposition, etc.
b. an absolute, esp tyrannical, ruler
I'm 4 times a minister xD
I prefer skill to cunning, cunning sounds sneaky and up to no good.
Go Arthur. The HoL presents a chance for people to become more experienced in the game. If the HoL didn't exist, congress would be full of these people, with a much smaller chance for newer players.
Iain, I was not aware I could type in an accent. Please excuse me for my silly command of the language. I'll try and emulate you and be less eloquent next time.
Iain, you're only describing your own true intent. You want to remove the current Lords because you want their title. You're not trying to "abolish" anything. You're trying to create your own. Why not at least admit it instead of pretending to care about the people you abuse?