No more police brutality!
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by manicni poet
My Turkish friend keeps me posted about stuff going on in Istanbul and other Turkish cities. This is what he wrote at 2 AM this morning …
Today, following Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s extremely sectarian, separatist, and fictious speech in Ankara, around 9 PM, the Turkish police began to attack thousands of people who were at the Gezi Park and Taksim square, having dinner. There were kids under 4-5 years old, mothers, and old people among those who were under gas and pressurised water attack. According to reports, police doesn’t allow journalists to report or to take pictures from Gezi Park. They are also attacking with pressurised water business such as famous Divan Hotel that opened its doors to protestors running away from brutality. People are saying there are thousands of wounded inside the hotel. People formed a human chain in front of the hotel to prevent police to attack. Another report says that people cannot leave the hotel because police is arresting whoever leaves.
There are also unconfirmed reports that police shut down the metro and boats between Asia and Europe to stop people coming and joining the rest. Another report says that there is a jammer in the area to prevent TV stations’ broadcast. There are hundreds of wounded. There are a lot of missing kids, or kids who are separated from their families. Protestors are fighting with police in Sıraselviler, Cihangir, Harbiye, and most likely around Dolmabahçe and Maçka. People call it a total brutality, a real savagery that is going on tonight. What we are seeing an ugly war where only one side have weapons. THIS IS STATE TERROR!!
As I have seen many uprisings in the last 20 years or so, I also know that people tend to exaggerate. But that doesn’t mean police brutality doesn’t exist. I’ve seen it on pictures, on television and I’ve seen it live, on the streets. I’ve seen police storming down on innocent people numerous times, just because they wanted to express their opinion.
The one thing that bothers me the most is why use such brutal force against mostly unarmed or poorly armed civilians? Why does it take five or more cops in full riot gear, with sticks and tear gas to tackle down one student, or even a girl, or an elder? Why use all your combat skills on opponents that can’t match you even in an open fight one on one? Why call your buddies? Are you some kind of animal pack? You think you’re tough with all your buddies covering your back? Well, think again homey!
There may be more protestors than police. But protestors don’t have guns. They don’t have tasers or tear gas. They don’t have water canons or horses. Most of them just want to stand there or walk around expressing their opinion that is their constitutional and human right. So why unleash all your rage upon them? Who the fuck do you think you are? The uniform doesn’t give you the right to be a complete asshole! You should be protecting people not fight them!
For as long as I breath I will condemn police or military brutality. I will condemn state terror. I will protest against stomping on human rights. Blood thirsty warlords. Crazy politicians. Your time is over clowns, the sooner you get used to the idea the better.
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Potrebno se je zavedati, da brez policijskega nasilja tudi protestov ne bi bilo.
No, protesti se začnejo iz drugih razlogov, je pa res, da jih nasilje podžge in pritegne več ljudi.
Ja itak, začetek je drugi, v Turčiji tistih par 10 treehuggerjev, ki so protestirali na začetku v Geziju. Policijsko nasiljej je pač masovni katalizator, na žalost.
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Pertañax
Obsojam policijsko in vojaško brutalnost.
Vendar tudi obsojam nasilne protestnike. Ne vem zakaj skoraj vedno protestiki razbijajo in zažigajo. Popolnoma podpiram mirne proteste.
Samo vedno se potem protesti sprevržejo v uničevanje. Nazadnje sem bil v Berlinu. Mojemu kolegu so zažgali avto. Samo zato, ker je bil tam, kjer je rulja šla?
Protestniško nasilje je nujno potrebno. Da nastrada lastnina navadnih ljudi je pač obstranska posledica, v Španiji naprimer razbijajo banke in Zare, ko je bila v Seattlu štala so uničevali Starbuckse etc.
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Tole težko kupim. Ker, če tako gledava to vodi v anarhijo. Npr.: če bi kolega drugemu zažgal avto, ta pa naslednjemu.... Kam bi pripeljalo.
Osebno se mi zdi to popolnoma zgrešeno. Takrat so v Berlinu požigali vse kar je multikorporacijsko npr McD, super nastradal pa je Pakistanec, ki je delal kot čistilec, ker je spal v shrambi.
Ali torej podpiraš, da je pač ubujanje in uničevanje koletaralna škoda????
V čem pa si potem drugačen od tstih, proti katerim protestiraš?
Po kategoričnem imperativu (torej vsak avto naslednjemu) imaš štalo, se strinjam, vendar v lokalni omejitvi, torej točno določen protest etc. stvar postane vzdržna. Ako se gremo neke mirne proteste poglej, kam je to pripeljalo Sloevnijo. Naglji policistom, potem pa propad udeležbe in isti ukrepi s strani druge vlade. Na žalost se je že milijontič pokazalo, da je potrebno tako nasilje s strani policije kot tudi nasilje s strani ljudi, da se aktivira večja množica ljudi in razšiti neko uporniško vrenje. Še hujše, da se aktivira tudi medije.
Zagovarjam, da je ubijanje in uničevanje kolateralna škoda, definitivno. Velike spremembe nikoli ne pridejo brez škode.
V čem sem drugačen? V tem, da z nasiljem ne sprožam represije temveč se borim proti njej. V čem je bila antanta drugačna od sile osi? Zavezniki od Hitlerja? Saj so usi pobijali, samo eni so izvajali represijo, drugi pa so se borili proti njej.
Spet drugi primer so Grki, kjer so mirni protesti točno toliko dosegli kot nasilni. Izvoljena pa je bila še vedno konzervativna vlada, ki trenutno jebe njihovo državo v vsako možno luknjo. Zgodovina nas na veliko žalost uči, da se mirni del družbe ni sposoben tako poenotit, da bi preko demokratičnih vzvodov privedel do korenitih sprememb, za to je potrebno nasilje. Totalna revolucija.
Še bolj pa nas zgodovina uči, da z nasiljem ni še nikoli nihče uspel (gledano na daljši rok).
Sam sem pristaš, da če je potrebno zamenjati vlado, potem jo je potrebno na demokratičen način - z volitvami. Če ljudje niso zato, da bi to izvedlo demokratično - od kod pravica potem peščici ljudem, da to storijo s silo?
na žalost se moram strinjat z novljanom sploh kar se slo tiče
Ja itak, z nasiljem ni še nikoli nihče uspel, razen Rimljani, Napoleon, ZDA, Kitajska, Rusija etc. Zgodovina nas uči sledeče, da je nasilje večinokrat katalizator sprememb, ki pa so konstantne, torej, da je nasilje tisto, skozi katerega se spremembe vršijo, niso pa statične, kajti tendenca človeštva je razvoj.
Jaz sicer nisem pristaš demokracije, ampak če bi lahko izbiral bi definitivno izbral demokratični vzvod, vendar ponavljam, za časa mojega življenja (borih 18 let) in mojega poznavanja zgodovine ne pomnim spremembe, ki se ne bi zgodila preko nasilja, na eni, drugi, ali obeh straneh. Še najbližje temu sta anti-vietnamska in gandhi revolucija. Glede Gandhija ne vem, koliko represije je ustvarjala Indija, ampak za hipije vsi vemo, da so jih tepli.
Kdo pa je rekel, da ljudje niso za to, da se spremembe vršijo demokratično? Podpora Janševi vladi je bila pod 20%, demokratično je še vedno vladal. Kako to? Ljudje so proti dokapitalizaciji bank, prepovedali so nam referendumsko odločanje. Nihče ne daje previce peščici ljudem, da delajo proti volji večine. Nihče. Ako pa se večina ne mobilizira ali pa ji je vseeno ima peščica absolutno pravico vršenja v njenem imenu. In to praktično protesti so. Manjšina, ki razglaša mnenje večine.
Pertañax
another islamic dictatorship is borning...
at least now they will never join EEUU
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Que pollas es esto?
Parece el inicio de una canción de Alborosie: No mor polizie brutality from da babylon aganst da Selassie's faid!
Primero devolver el Ararat a los armenios, reconoced el genocidio, y devolved la parte de Chipre ocupada por los turcos, entonces tendréis mi afecto, aunque os la sude.
son unoh capitalihtaa!!!
tira pa tu patria julaii!!!!