Future of Ireland: Maxed Taxes
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by Lexone
inb4 tl;dr
This last month nothing new happened, nothing changed, so what now? Something that might work quite well for our small, but active nation is this.
The tax system would be something like this.
Maxed out taxes. Now keep in mind I'm no economic expert, but the repercussions of this tax system don't really matter.
First off the income tax takes away profits from the worker. The manager could compensate if their kind by raising the salary, but that's unlikely. Now the worker is not in a commune that's why they have a salary job. Who works in a salary job? New players, two clickers,and inactives.(might be on leave)
Taxing these individuals does no harm to them since why would they care. Noobs will quit not because of taxes, but because this is an unattractive game. Two clickers wont give a damn and the latter is self explanatory. Right now at around $200 wages, a 25% tax would take away $50. So instead 37 days for a 7500 iep farm it will take 50.
Maxed out VAT taxes. VAT contributes to most of the country's revenue. When an item is bought off the market usually by the bot the country receives income. Raising the food vat by 15% would most likely cause players to sell for a higher price to compensate for the higher tax. But who cares? The tax actually would take more money if prices are raised. Will noobs care? Don't they buy food since there not self sufficient? Sure if they are not in Boot Camp receiving free food or in any other MU for that matter. People who sell food which is generally most players who been around for several months may be upset. But why do they sell food? They don't use or it or don't need it. So lets say instead of 100 days to pay back for the company it's 115 days. Big deal when you see the potential rewards.
New revenue. What do we do after we payed off our mpps? Well we can fund numerous programs, in fact we have already been doing that, but not to our full potential. A couple of months ago the donation cap was increased to 400,000, yet our taxes have remained unchanged.
Homesteading. We give you free land/farms/factories for you to work on. So 7500 iep in one day rather than waiting 50-100 days to pay back your company and maybe buy a new one. Who benefits? Well you do and we do as long as your active. You get richer and the only way to spend money is on improving yourself which in return improves the country.
Sweet Drinker has made a pass the salt program which is the same as the above, but I'm not sure of the status of it today. He also made a goldfish program to get everyone richer. Also, he gives graduates of boot camp free 10k iep!
Only the dedicated, loyal, and active benefit. With new revenue we can expand on all these great programs. We can help fund town centers or work on aiding strength training, or even a loan program during sales. We want long term self sufficient players.
Free tanks. The MOD has been giving out free tanks on #irisharmy. There really hasn't been to much transparency of its financial status, but that's ok since new revenue would fund it forever. Only the active players who defend us and our allies get tanks. The government controls our money supply to direct damage efficiently and reward the active. We drain money from everyone, but only give it to the people who care.
We can Supplement food if necessary.
Short version of maxed out taxes
We hurt the greedy and selfish.
We encourage and reward activity while breeding dedicated players.
To maxing out taxes and to the last day of congress in this cycle
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Communist swine!
I know Sweet will argue that a high VAT rate is the bulwark behind the success of the government's programs, and it's hard to counteract this seeing as I can see the benefits in Boot Camp amongst other things.
However.
A lot of players have spent a very long time and money in building up their companies in an effort to make them market viable. A 25% VAT rate is about 10% higher than the European average. What it does is to drive companies out of Ireland. You can't have a situation where
Damn you Plato!
....the government has control of the marketplace. The only suggestion I would make is that a group of businessmen get together and offer an alternative view. It would be nice to hear both sides of the story.
Good article Lexone, as usual...
At the end of they, you profit a lot more from those high taxes then u would be if they are minimised, eIreland profits with stronger citizens, you profit with 40 tanks per days ( 1200 IEP ); EDEN profit from stronger member, community profit from creating united and equal society ;😉)
high taxes? yes!
I'm only a noob here - can the companies move out to another country?
Hi Frank. Yes, but it costs money. I'm not against high taxes, I'm just saying we're not hearing both sides of the story
I know they will be taxed and upset, but what we should do with the revenue is keep it then filter out the people who don't care and return it back. Say we take 100 iep each in taxes from 10 people, but we might only end up giving 333 iep each back to 3 active loyal players.
"We hurt the greedy and selfish." Who are you referring to? Any businessman that doesn't make a profit isn't a good businessman.
Good luck passing anything without Sweet's approval. He's got the tax situation locked up tight. Not that I'm complaining - Ireland is doing quite well.
Wow, tbh I'm impressed Lex.
You've got uncommon ballz regarding the realities of game mechanics.
I'll explain our settings as best as a comment section will allow
#1 rule of Community Finance:
It's the MoF's job to get money FOR the ppl, not FROM the ppl
That's why we leave income at 1%, it's a direct tax from the ppl
Foo😛
Food is a dynamic mkt (5 Q1 food == 1 Q5 food)
Ireland's food bonus potential is > weapon bonus
Food is 'logistically heavy' [storage space]
For these reasons and more we encourage trade and development in the Irish food sector.
Weapons:
Weapons are not dynamic. 5 Q1 guns will never be as good as 1 Q5 gun. Tbh 10 Q1 guns aren't as good as a Q5 gun. Ppl only have so many fights possible daily and we want to maximize their dmg so we want the entire country running solely on Q6 weapons.
Our tax rates + our Q6 distribution discourages ppl from wasting their fights on poor quality weapons.
For these reasons and more the government is heavily involved in weapons.
This is a wargame after all
Land Grants:
Cash only converts to land as RM companies. RM rates have decreased to the point that RM companies take well over a year to cover their cost.
Raw-for-Profit simply isn't viable in the current climate.
Grants for production efficiency/town centre upgrades are still viable
Manufacturing Co's require gold. A much higher capital outlay.
Much of the MoF's efforts currently are in improving the viability of that sort of thing ; )
GoldFish:
This program directly benefits citizens' gold revenue.
It's one of the programs I'm most proud of tbh
#irisharmy
Providing free tanks to Irish citizens to fight where benefits Ireland most.
Relieves financial pressure on our citizens
Increases our national dmg output
Focuses our national output
Increases citizens' ranking
Increases demand on the food mkt
Increases our profile in the alliance
nullifies impact of poor wpn resource bonuses
This thing wins so hard. Lot's of outsiders have come fishing for information about how we pull this off lol
Transparency (lack there of):
There are often calls for the publication of our numbres.
I think when ppl picture the operations of the MoF they envision a nice simple model:
Treasury ==> Bank ==> government programs
Understandable, most countries run that model infact. But you don't get several million cash/month from 200odd ppl using that model.
Take the cover off the side of your PC and have a look at it's guts. Our operation looks alot like that!
Besides being an absolute nightmare to explain, it's the unfinished product of a year's work, and an asset to Ireland no other country has the like of (that I can tell, and I'm always looking).
I see a strange methodology in erep all the time:
a)player has good idea
b)player creates a successful model of the idea
c)player publishes an article detailing precisely how to replicate the idea
d)enemies read article and adopt idea, the player's idea becomes a weapon against his own community
We are a small community with limtied resources, and the MoF team works constantly to eleviate these disadvantages. What is done here can be reproduced elsewhere. I've no interest in providing a schematic of machinery to our rivals.
Right income tax takes directly from the people there's no denying that, but we have the option to return it back to the active or the ones who need it. This might discourage working a salary job, but where would they go to a commune that supplies much more than any salary can offer?
Like you said food takes up storage so wont it be sold no matter the tax rate? Food is sold for profits while weapons are kept for damage. So higher taxes would be taxing profits and could be returned in tanks.
I'm not too concerned about how everything works I know your doing a good job. The concern is are we at our full potential with maximum efficiency which is what hiking taxes could bring.
Ireland is small because of the high taxes everyone has to beg others or by gold or leave
Sounds very sensible.
Agree with Mal.
Lol Seanan, tbh I just go on what Sweet says.
If VAT is too high, I sell to people with low import. Then eIre loses both taxes and products. Things are mostly okay as they are now, but it's been skirting a line where it's more profitable to sell elsewhere than here. I would be against tax increases at this time. (and most other times for that matter >_> )
"If VAT is too high, I sell to people with low import. Then eIre loses both taxes and products" x2
Anyone who argues against Sweet is an idiot. Ireland is a small community and Sweet has created a fair equal ground for EVERY CITIZEN. New players can avail of all benefits, whereas the whole profiteering businessman only benefits from his way.
HAIL SWEET!
If VAT is too high, I sell to people with low import. Then eIre loses both taxes and products" x3
i have been selling in ireland mostly but im getting sick of the vat and i will very soon be adjusting and selling to low import other countries....
if you want to rape the business man to give to whoever you please to make yourselves look better so be it
but ive invested a lot of gold in building my business and constantly watch guys associated with the gov come in and lowball the market deliberately to drive the prices down while the gov raises the taxes....
so all your theories of how taxing the heck outta us is better for ireland.. but if we stop selling in ireland then hows that work out for you?
work for FRITZHILL smart one
Like I said many times in the article to reward loyalty, those who decide to work for themselves don't deserve the benefits. Is Ireland a small country you bet and if you don't want to help the country then don't.
The only way this works is if everyone agrees to the plan and this is why it's on an article for debate but threats don' work
If we had a lower tax rate than other countries and advertised that fact, we might be able to attract companies and end up with a higher overall income. That is what RL Ireland does. The communes allow people to work for efficient production companies and share in the produced goods, so achieving some redistribution of goods. Maybe we need more communes too. Maybe the way to go would be to have a low tax rate for food companies who might also be attracted by our resources, and develop weapons
communes to produce weapons efficiently and distribute them to members.
why is it a threat?
its call smart business?
why would i throw away my profits when i can make more profit elsewhere....
as for helping my country... i full donate and support my MU constantly taking a big cut out of my profits to help them out... so why should i get mandatorily raped by a government constantly lining their pockets with my profits when at least i can choose to decide where i use or donate my profits....
k make more money elsewhere then it's not like we have mpps to pay for and free tanks to handout
We do not mind ppl exporting weapons to other countries or selling 'off the mkt' entirely.
Infact, we actively encourage these practices.
In the last Congress term Ireland's apparent revenue = 13,000cc per active citizen
That's equivalent to every active citizen purchasing:
65,000iep of weapons EACH
or
143,000iep of food EACH
(or some combination thereof)
You can cling to RL econ principles despite the overwhelming evidence of it's absence in erep if you like. But don't expect the rest of us to quit winning the game to indulge ideologies that have no practical place within our Game's environment.
"Anyone who argues against Sweet is an idiot. Ireland is a small community and Sweet has created a fair equal ground for EVERY CITIZEN. New players can avail of all benefits, whereas the whole profiteering businessman only benefits from his way.
HAIL SWEET!"
x2
it's already near impossible to make a profit by hiring employees in eIreland at the moment unless you have a high quality company, placing high taxes would make it Impossible and would force the business to export depriving the Irish economy of there profits. this will mean you won't be able to pay the 'loyal' members of eIreland.
i also think it's quiet naive to say that all 'loyal' members are in a MU or sponge tanks of the state, i do neither and still put in over 15million damage for eIreland.