Seven NATO lies over Ukraine
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Lie 1: "NATO does not threaten anyone"
Let us ask about this the people of Yugoslavia, the people of Afghanistan, the people of Iraq, Libya, the people of Cyprus occupied by a 'NATO ally'. But also the people of Ukraine, who have become a boxing bag for at least 10 years between two imperialist camps, NATO – USA – EU on the one hand and Russia on the other, counting thousands of deaths. NATO was, is and will be an aggressive alliance, an alliance of war, it has never been "defensive". NATO, too, not only did not dissolve itself after the overthrow of socialism and the dissolution of the USSR, but expanded to the east, against what the US and NATO had committed to in the 90s. After haggling for a period of time with the Russian capitalists on the possibility of Russia joining NATO, then, when this did not come out, they formed a war doctrine with the barrels directed at Russia as well as China.
Lie 2: "NATO bears no responsibility for the situation in Ukraine"
NATO is an important part of the problem together with the US and the EU on the one hand and Russia on the other. NATO's "non-interference" in Ukraine is a lie. It is now known to all the role they played in the overthrow of the Yanukovych government in 2014 with a leading role of the U.S. Embassy, headed by the current Ambassador to Greece, J. Pyatt. Just a few days ago, the NATO Secretary-General, at a press conference, said that "since 2014 NATO has equipped and trained the Ukrainian army". It should also be noted that an official part of the Ukrainian army is also various Nazi battalions, such as the Azov, etc., which were photographed with pride with NATO and Nazi banners!
As for what NATO's expansion to the east means, some of the remarks of the most chilling gurus of US diplomacy are indicative. For example, we mention the words of H. Kissinger in 2014: "Ukraine should not join NATO", or the words of the current US president in 1997: "The only thing that could provoke a 'violent and hostile' Russian response would be for NATO to expand to the Baltic states." Everyone now knows what happened from 1997 until today...
Lie 3: "In Ukraine there are no Nazi right-wing extremists with a role – NATO and the EU do not support them"
That's a myth. In Ukraine, as was the case in the Baltic states, after the dissolution of the USSR, far-right and fascist groups were resurrected, set out to historically vindicate collaborators of the Nazis and those who fought against the USSR. This became official in Ukraine in 2010. Then they were recognized as heroes of Ukrainian freedom, collaborators of the Nazis in World War II. This gave impetus to the rise of the far right and at the same time to the attack on what was reminiscent of the Soviet past. In the events of 2013-2014, fascist groups acted as a strike force under the flags of the EU and NATO, organizing provocations, assassinations, attacks, terrorist acts that enabled the overthrow of the then legitimately elected government. Communists, trade unionists and Russian speakers were targeted. The Ukrainian Communist Party was outlawed, its offices were destroyed, its cadres were persecuted, etc. Members of these forces and parties (Nazis, right-wing extremists, etc.) played a political role in the following years and during the Poroshenko presidency. They took up high-ranking positions in government and administration. In fact, until 2016 the government was led by parties with extreme nationalist positions. At the same time, on the occasion of the civil war in Donbass, the assault battalions were organically integrated into the country's security forces and army.
Lie 4: "Every country chooses freely whether or not to be in NATO"
How a country chooses to join an interstate imperialist organisation, such as NATO, is anything but a free choice. NATO's history has shown that it does not hesitate in the face of anything to ensure the spread of its influence.
The most recent example is North Macedonia. Its accession was decided by the Prespa agreement (signed by the SYRIZA government and the Zaev government), while its people were asked to give their opinion on the country's accession to NATO in an "advisory" referendum (vote for you, but we have decided that no matter what you vote for!), in which the participation by force reached 37%. The vote in the Skopje Parliament on the Prespa agreement (and therefore the accession to NATO and the EU provided for in the agreement) took place in an unprecedented climate of blackmail and strange news about "votes in return"...
If you consider that a month ago we learned that in Greece they were giving bags of money for one vote in 2007 in the parliamentary elections, anyone can think about what happens when it comes to making a decision with geopolitical impact on a chessboard with many competitors...
Lie 5: "NATO is a guarantee against revisionism"
NATO has revisionism in its DNA and has proven it with the wars it has waged. A NATO member state – and indeed the 2nd most powerful in the army – Turkey publicly admits that it wants to revise its borders with Greece, as shaped by the Treaty of Lausanne. This treaty has also been unilaterally "revised" by Turkey on its eastern border, with its invasion of Syria in 2019. In fact, for the invasion he had secured the strong backs of all, both the Euro-Atlantic factor and Russia!
In one of the most brilliant moments of "revision" of the last 50 years in Europe, the invasion of NATO-led Turkey in Cyprus in 1974, NATO had a decisive influence together with the junta of the colonels, so that not only not to prevent, but to prepare the Turkish invasion!
After the dissolution of a country in the Balkans, Yugoslavia, and the successive wars of NATO and the EU, 6 states emerged in the long term (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, North Macedonia, Kosovo, Montenegro and Croatia)! Everyone can understand how the borders were "revised", as well as the fact that we are talking about some us and NATO protectorate states!
Lie 6: "The NATO territories"
There are no NATO territories. Let's look again at the example of Greece and Turkey, two NATO member states. What does it mean to accept this term if Turkey attempts to change the borders? For example, Eastern Thrace and Western Thrace are NATO-like territories, but among them there are the borders between Greece and Turkey, with Turkey insisting on its unacceptable claims, openly saying that the Greek-Turkish border (from Evros to Strongyli-Round) is "debatable". The mere acceptance of the term "NATO territories" opens up dangerous avenues for the creation of faits accomplis at the expense of our country's sovereign rights.
Lie 7: "NATO is a protection especially when Russia has activated the nukes"
The balance of terror is pure terror. On the one hand, NATO has adopted in its doctrine, since 2016, the "first nuclear strike"! In fact, during the days of the SYRIZA government, rumors had raged that were never disproved by the government, that the Araxos base was preparing for the reception and storage of nuclear weapons (yes, since then and in the past NATO has been preparing in our region for a generalized conflict with Russia)! On the other hand, Russia's assertion that only if Russia's existence is threatened will nuclear weapons be used is no guarantee.
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putin lies all the time... youtube.com/watch?v=kSNo2FPQDQw
... I hope you know PBS is USA state television, like RT is Russian state television.... both very trustworthy these days🙂
PBS is not "state television." It receives funding from the government, but also corporations and individuals. Its board of directors has no government members. It is not beholden to any government bureaucrat for its programming. The rest of the world is not just like your countries. Look around. Learn. Voice of America is, to the extent that such a thing exists, "state television." It's actually radio.
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Ukraine has "biological research facilities," says Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland, when asked by Sen Rubio if Ukraine has biological or chemical weapons, and says she's worried Russia may get them.
President Vladimir Zelensky's statement in Munich that Ukraine intends to join the nuclear power was not accidental - it could happen in the near future. They planned to make nukes in a couple of months.
That is the background of this war.
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Biological research facilities? What do you mean by those, like a zoo and veterinary medicine? I know you're referring to bio weapons, but why would anyone finance such a lab in Ukraine or Georgia or whatever country which is under constant threat of invasion from its neighbor?
Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal under the Budapest Memorandum. The same treaty that guaranteed UAs sovereignty over internal affairs.
I already know you will not read these arguments, so don't bother regurgitating copy-paste narratives.
putin lies all the time... youtube.com/watch?v=kSNo2FPQDQw
The War, come today, because, Ukrania not Respect Moldavia Peaple. Bassabaria is Autentical Region of Moldavia, The Blue of the Flag, is Because, Moldavia have a Port in Black Sea. OR Mediterranean Sea.
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All the chapter titles have nothing to do with the content, classical propaganda.
1)Russia wanted to join NATO, they didn't- seems legit to kill Ukrainians...really?
2) Ukrainian army has training- seems legit to kill them, which army in this world carries exercises? It's unheard of.
3)In half of the countries in this world you can find people posting with nazi flags, let's kill half of the world.Speaking of nazi...a country where there's only one candidate, political opponents and journalists die gunned down, bombed, poissoned or have " window accidents" is by it's very definition nazi.To say this society goes to neighbors to get nazis out is something the original ones didn't think off and probably would be very proud off ..evolutionary nazis.
4)"strange news about "votes in return".." ...too funny to even comment.Martians took over the world was another " strange news".
Could comment 5,6,7 but that doesn't answer the most essential question : Russians murder Ukrainians and there is no made up story that could cover that, so why do you pretend this does not happen and find excuses to legitimate this?
Btw: if you are used as a mechanism to promote it at least know what russian propaganda and this "proofs" are about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism#:~:text=Whataboutism%20or%20whataboutery%20(as%20in,refuting%20or%20disproving%20the%20argument.
Here here!
"Russians murder Ukrainians and there is no made up story that could cover that," perfect.
Well pointed out
Thanks. I was about to write exactly the same thing. Classic propaganda.
And it's pity that the Serbs can not get over their past in the way Germany did for example. Tthis is the reason why the one country will stay poor while the other have long ago moved on and is back among the most prosperous countries.
YO RESPONDO POR MI CULPA, ES INADECUADO MI COMENTARIO ANTERIOR, PERO CIERTAMENTE, BASSABARIA DOS SIGLOS ANTES ERA UNA REGION ORIGINAL DE LA REGION MOLDAVA, NO HABLO DE PROPAGANDA SOBRE PALABRAS MAYORES COMO EXTERMINIO O MASIVIDAD EN LOS ATAQUES; HOY LA CAPITAL DE MOLDAVIA ESTARIA TRASLADADA A NORUEGA DEL NORTE. ENTONCES..??? QUE TAN LEJOS TUVIERON QUE IR QUIENES QUISIERON SOBREVIVIR...??
Why killing people when they can settle their differences through eRepublic.
Slavic blood is spilling on both sides and the others are watching!
STOP THIS MADNESS!
Slavic friendship is a myth created by the Russian to control more easily Eastern European countries. Even Poland do not to want to have anything in common with Russia.
Do you think "the overthrow of socialism" already happened? pls, check your own cold war words one sentence later.
Serbian Ultra-nationalist, hoping for Russia to come to Serbia and bring Mother Russia to Serbian True Believers...
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Nastavite sanjati – što vam je možda prikazano 1995. godine
to što vi mislite da ste vojska jer ste granatirali kolone sa civilima, to je vaša stvar. kako dani budu prolazili videćete koliko ste u krivu i koliko ne poznajete rusiju i njen sistem ratovanja. držite se vi EU i NATO i USA i gladujte. Idete da perete sudove u Irsku, budite moleri nemcima.... ostaju vam penzioneri u domovini. Mi se držimo svojih načela i principa. Protiv vas kao ljudi nemam ništa protiv, dolazim tu na more, dolaze meni hrvati u goste. Ne spominjemo ratove sa ovih prostora i dobro se slažemo. Nas je nato zajebao i mi sa njima nikada nećemo biti prijatelji. znate i sami koliko ste imali pomoći sa zapada tokom ratova 90-ih. nemojte se busati jer sami i nemate neke šanse, to ste mogli da osetite i u prvom i u drugom sv.ratu. gledajte svoja posla i ostavite se Srbije.
evil NATO, but we will not fight against NATO, there is a strong Ukraine they will pay the price for NATO lies
Russian propaganda.
Russian propaganda is always only against propaganda for stupid idiots.
bullshit
Russia is a kind of mind - they dream of a long-lost power and ignore reality
CUANDO HABLAMOS DE RUSIA; PARECE QUE ENCONTRAREMOS A UN BULGARO APURADISIMO POR HACER JARDINERIA O OCASIONAR UNA CATASTROFE. RUSE. ROSA. DONDE NACIERON LAS ROSAS. BULGARIA.
DISCULPE SEÑOR LEON PERO ALGUNAS PREMISAS; TIENEN UN ORIGEN. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruse?msclkid=705a06c0b4ec11ecb8f5826d26480677
You could be 101% right... Im not trying to be ironic or play with words.
Im not on the boat of "crazy Putin" speech. If a block of countries put you an enemy stamp and move their influence and mechanisms of defence next to your borders we should expect counter measures.
But there are no legitimacy of Russia’s actions in Ukraine.
Seven fake news about NATO. Are you sad, because Croatia is a NATO member and Serbia can't attack them?
If you think it is okay for Russia attacked Ukraine, then just give Vojvodina back to Hungary. We have to protect Hungarians there.
Oil and gas in Ukraine : https://www.intelligencefusion.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Figure-3-Ukraines-oil-and-gas-resources-pre-conflict-source-the-energy-consulting-group.png (Ukraine has Europe's third-largest shale gas reserves at 1.2 trillion cubic meters (tcm).)
About nazis : https://media.makeameme.org/created/nazis-nazis-everywhere-gujwus.jpg
Says "seven fake news about NATO" proceeds to give 0 counter arguments
Do you believe, small countries can start a war between with each other?
All this countries (expect G20-7) are good to used as puppets for the interests of the big countries, using religion, the diversity of languages, color, etc. in the mouth of interests (gas, oil, gold).
Yes, they can: Iran–Iraq War, Iraq invasion of Kuwait, Israeli wars, etc.
Didn't get your second point. Can you articulate it a bit better?
In the countries you are referring to, are motivated by the great powers that i mention before.
Which country "motivated" Iraq to start a war with Iran? And how did they motivate them?
Or the attack on Kuwait?
What I believe is what I believe.
putin lies all the time... youtube.com/watch?v=kSNo2FPQDQw
According to you Serbia i mean Yugoslavia deserved Vojvodina 🙂 just like Romania deserve Erdely
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Not going to comment on artilce,
but I want to put some facts so people can understand NATO structure better.
Greece back in 90s-00s had an economy growth close to chinese one (5-7% annualy),even Merkel said in 2007 that they'd like to have growth like GR.
For some reason then,Greece felt more autonomous and started buying Russian weapons such as S-300 (Cyprus),
TorM1,BUK,Zubr etc.
In addition to this,Greece signed a deal with Russia/Bulgaria to link Burgas-Alexandroupoli via a gas pipe line aka South Stream,NATO and the USA had strong objections about this.
The last and more critical issue was the summit in Bucharest when Greece used a Veto on North Macedonia entry.
Those situations mentioned above happened in a period of 5-7 years.
Magically Greece was pointed as a lazy country (despite greeks working most hours according to EU index),
had terrible economy debt (despite having pretty much the same as Italy,Portugal etc)
and strange things started happening.
Anyway we all know how it ended for Greece but what many don't know is that crisis stopped being an issue when SYRIZA goverment agreed on Prespes deal,agreed on morantorium with USA to open more military camps and share Alexandroupoli port with them.
Most interesting part? Greek economy is way worse than it used to be in 2008 (debt is 200% etc) but none talks about Greek economic problem anymore.
Pretty much same thing happened to Turkey after purchasing s400 suddenly lira turned to trash,inflation is ucontrollable and life gets harder and harder.
NATO is not a charity organisation but an alliance of wolves and USA is using each member for her own interest.
Of course this doesn't grant Putin permission to start a war,
both EU and Russia will suffer so much while USA is only gaining (LNG,military industry,etc),I am not even going to mention Ukraine that is going to lose territory and will be a destroyed country after this,ukrainians were used to serve a purpose,did it and sadly none is going to care about them after events end.
Macron said NATO is brain-dead,I disagree,NATO knows exactly what is doing,it is EU being brain-dead.
And also Ukraina war is also going on because USA want to stop North Stream II.
Just look at deliberately increasing tensions ... uk ships in Black See, pressures to Germany....
As it was disabled gas pipelines to Bulgaria...
Great game eRepublic allow us to use real country names to release tensions 🙂
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