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The root cause of the failure of the economy is zero production cost caused by unlimited manager work. Because currency and Gold are interchangable it affects the value of everything.

This is further complicated by Gold not consistently being used to "alter" game mechanics. Currency should be used for all basic game mechanics like moving, company and factory purchases, wages and buying items. Use Gold only for training, boosters, special items and other things that alter game rules.

the root failure of the economy is it is a true capitalist economy. without being able to make production buildings using labor as opposed to money.

see in a capitlism. when labor goes down a person can build more factories cheaply and operate then cheaply. giving the builders money to buy goods with while the factory is not producing while it is being built. so gold income is the limiting factor in this game. which is how the creators wanted it. in order for the economy to grow people must buy gold! thus putting lots of money into the pockets of the game creaters any change will result in the game creators not making as much and the game going bankrupt. unless they allow people to sell the game creators gold for real life money! then the y could take a 5% transaction fee. and it would bring tons more players. get paid to play or pay to play you can choose. play for fun or play for money. more new players better economy. new player start with 20 gold assets and an income of 5 gold a month so they get a 25% monthly return. onld players 8 q7 factories. 8000 gold and 5 gold a month is only .1% return

Since when does capitalism have a zero input cost?

you can go out. and build a building for free in capitalism. if you cut the wood and mine the iron for the nails. it is a lot more work in real life to make a factory than it is in erepublik. i have not actually heard of anyone doing it. well the Amish.

raising input costs would just raise prices accordingly. and still no one would make a profit. more likely they would lose money. if they made a person pay 10 cc's to wam. then if the rubber plantation owners could keep up with demand. prices would be 10/200 or .05 per raw. but if they could not keep up with demand then they might be able to make a profit for a short while until everyone converts their raw production buildings to rubber plantations. and the because raw prices would be .05 some one who had the lowest wep raw building would only make 75 raws. and only make 4 ccc but have to pay 10cc to wam. so they would lose 6 cc a day running that building.

capitlism the law of diminishing returns. if no major changes happen. prices will reach margin cost if there are more than one competitor. bertrand economics is one system as to how it happens. so i guess your right. making a system wide change will result in some people making more money. and others making less money but have the hope they one day will make more money. but making a system wide change will just shift who makes money for a bit until no one is really pulling much of a profit again.

governments think like you do. and raise taxes to increase the cost of production. but then the factories leave the country to a country with lower taxes. which did happen in erepublik.

You are assuming unlimited resources, infinite space and endless time. If you do not have these you pay an input cos to compensare. If you do have a system of dynamic equilibrium, then you never reach zero because things like taxes and war keep the system off kilter. The issue ws face us that production outstrips any shortage... again unlimited free manager work being the culprit. Would we have the same excess if it cista manager 100 energy to work, or they were limited to 20 quality levels of work?

I hear what you say about the importance of Gold and the fascinating concept of allowing people to cash in Gold, but it won't fix the fundamental flaw and thus need for gross interventiin via missions and specials to right the imbalance

margin costs =input costs.

maybe to increase fluctuation in the markets. require energy to build production buildings instead of cc or gold. people can hold an infinite amt of gold and cc and hold it forever. so it help stabilize the market.
demand for cc goes up people sell cc. demnad for gold goes up people sell gold. demand for energy goes up energy prices rise because not many people have a lot extra to sell aka work at a job.

if everyone who plays this game tries to make a profit, that is produce more goods than they use, people will always true to produce and sell more goods than they use. if there is always more goods being produced than demanded prices will drop to the input costs. where by the business owners make no profit. and get upset.

but then again gold from medals and leveling will always allow some people to operate at a loss and still get a good return.

new player 2 q1 factories about 10 gold assets. gets about 10 gold a month in medals. 100% return monthly.

old player 1000 gold assets 1% return monthly.

so really to improve the profits people get aka making them happy. this game must no longer be a true capitlism 🙁 or have the assets of people wear out. a q7 factory only lasting 1 year before it has to be rebuilt. a q1 factory only lasting a month. however that just increases the margin costs and so people will not operate at a profit. but their income will be high and daily expenses low 🙂 so they might be deceived into thinking they are making a lot!

unlimited space people can build as many factories as they want!
unlimited time. people can build as many factories as they want each day. unlimited resources. people can buy as much gold as they want with irl money! so yes i am making an assumption! and it is a correct assumption. the only limiting factor is the rate of return people get irl. which look at the doubling money every 8 years. i can do that in game or in real life. so this game is accurately following my assumptions.

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I love your articles but your last one? 8I

The other part of the problem from what I can see is newer players can't run a company and earn income because higher ranked/older players have price set to sell mass products and lowered prices. If the people selling the items sold at higher prices instead of trying to undercut each other, then you would see prices and wages rise again. But when a new player starts a Q1 factory that his item sells for almost the same price as the raw material because of higher players undervaluing items, the new players can't hire or gain income to increase their factory quality. The players can run the economy up if they stop selling under each other. The past few weeks I've seen the low price of Q2 weapons at the 1.41 range with one person selling stock at a 1.20ish range. Meaning as a young start up you have to price them between that range in hopes of selling anything.

We can bring the economy back if we start slowly raising prices on items and then being able to pay workers more money and still profit.

socialism, a set price government controlled markets. however i like capitlism. rate of return is equal to the current assets over income. the only income is people buying gold and gold made through achievements. there are no bots on the markets. so a player makes 5 gold a month from hard worker. start of the game. a person has 2 q1 factories. 20 gold so the player is gettting 5 gold and has 20 aka 25% monthly return.

a year into the game. the player still getting 5 gold a month but now has 70 gold. so a 8% return a month.

a player buys 5000 gold. gets 5 gold a month he only gets a return of 0.1%

but because everyone is competeing with eacother the return balances out. it becomes a weighted average. total gold income into the game divided total sum of current gold assets. assets never dissappear well selling or leaving the game. however most players with a high number of assets will stay.

but that average return is what people get. i will do a bad math.

those paying to train cancels out those who get the ss medals.
those who buy gold cancels out those who use gold to buy energy bars and various other thigns gold is good for. like printing money and such.

so i will estimate the average income is 5 gold a month net.
10,000 active usa players.
most buildings are about a 2 year return.
120 gold gained in two years.
120 is 3% of 4000, so the average player has 4000 gold of assets. hmm that seems a little high i probably bet most people are not growing their assets by 5 gold a month. or maybe many more people are buying gold with real life money.

but you see as people get more assets the rate of return will go down unless everyone always buy 10% of their assets of new gold a month.

"socialism, a set price government controlled markets" - except this isn't "scary socialism", it's the "FREE market".
Individuals are motivated by PROFIT alone, not by some big bad scary socialist government. I get the feeling you just want to push your libertarian propaganda here.

ha it was poorly worded, I meant slate06 wanted the markets to be controlled. and when the markets are controlled it is socialism. and your right I am trying to spread my libertarianism!

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ok upset with erepublik. destory my long comments.

two things.

capitlism - law of diminishing returns. in time the return on investment goes to zero. selling price is equal to production cost.
raw cost energy. so raw prices will drop to the price of 10 energy. and food will go down accordling. so prices will all tend towards zero. and people do not like that.

socialism- only produce what is needed and no more. so no extra production no profit. zero return prices can be what ever but no one actualy makes money.

so we are dealing with capitlism. a new product every month that was required. aka. you need food plus this new product to recover 10 energy. you need food plus the last product plus this new product to recover 10 energy. like salt on food. and water with food and apple juice with food. i do not know if it is a required product but it has to have some use.

anyways any economic system. that is a true economy. aka anything produced by a player must be consumed by a player. will reach a rate of return that is zero. maybe lets have one week a month were no player can do any work! that would really help. hen for that week every player is a consumer using all the goods that were produced. and if prices fall again. then force players only to work 2 weeks a month. but that is too controlled. i love the capitlism race to the bottom! and will be upset if it ever changes! this race to the bottom is what is predicted and i want to see where people go once they are at the bottom. do people kill themselves leave the game. and so production drops so prices rise? or do people take vacations? travel around world for fun. retire and stop using their factories but still play the game? i do not know what happens. or just a bunch of complaining ?

"i love the capitlism race to the bottom!"

Me too. You just nailed it.

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