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I said it when the whole aircraft rewards/bounties/sniping thingies were first mooted ages ago and stand by it. The 100m/20k parameters are too low and increasingly so. Tbh I disagreed with the whole initiative in the first place.

The buyback policy is interesting though and would, in theory, be an excellent idea. Anyone who voids contributes to the eUK coffers, over compensates the person whose medals they have 'stolen' (in terms of cash) and saves face. However, as we all know, the medal is more important to many rather the cash and this brings to mind a rich person badly parking in a disabled parking space. Even if they subscribed and adhered to the rules...they'd just tear up the ticket, pay the fine, not give a **** and do it again.

Apologies. I was vehemently against this whole thing when it was first proposed a couple of years ago and still am irrespective of who proposes it.

With that said, if I oppose it I have no doubt it will become reality o/

Yeah non-compliance can never be truly removed from the equation I agree. But in the context of rewarding all sorts of activities that we think make for 'good society' I think bounties fit in nicely.

As for the parameters I actually don't think they need to be cast in stone, certainly when there events and the like they should be flexed.

And don't apologise 😛

...have to agree with chaz here. In theory sounds good but I can't help but see this ending up causing even more arguments/paperwork

Particularly dangerous to tell someone they've past the 'point of no return' if you've no direct mechanism otherwise than the sympathy of a bigger tank to actually stop them, they'll just carry on and laugh

The mechanism is that they are considered the same as a foreign fighter when it comes to bounties (so eUK players will now get a bonus for going past them). Still not ideal but better than just goodwill.

The aim of sharing this now is to get feedback to make it better - so your points about more paperwork rings true and is probably one of the more difficult parts. If the paperwork lies with the individual it will stop them from using it.

The other thing that I'm not a fan of is the perm nature of the blacklist - think there should always be a way back.

Thoughts?

Well one the one hand as it's 6 points there's a fair bit of warning but if permanent is considered too extreme then I'd think a compromise could easily be found in just having a larger lump sum to pay to get off the list

Yeah I understand shoving them in the third party camp if they refuse to play ball. Tbh I was tempted to do the same when I initially proposed bounties but rejected it as potentially being a bigger headache than the problem.

It’s one thing for gov to say: you’ve been a very naughty boy, no subsidies until you behave. That’s fair enough and totally within gov’s power to do.

It’s quite another to potentially throw unaware eUKers in the deep end to ‘help reclaim a medal’ and get targeted themselves. Unless you intend to hire a merc to deal with it, then there’s not much you can do other than rely on the good will of someone stronger.

And yeah, the logic of telling someone ‘well that’s it then’ is a carte blanche to up the ante and escalate even further because… well… that’s it?

I can see where the tiered responses come from but I can’t help but suspect a points/drivers license sort’ve approach just complicates things beyond practicality. Where you did sort’ve hit the nail on the head was we need to expand our approach to getting people playing ‘fairly’ on the battlefields. The system itself imho is fine, just needs some tlc and fancy graphics

Common sense will always prevail though

meh

It's hardly overly complicated, what's outlined is what essentially happens anyway, someone steals a medal from another player, and that player hunts them down, it's just crowdsourcing the hunting bit. People put bounties on people all the time as well, ask TRE. We're just extending it to an MoD scheme.

Well not really; again we kept things to subsidies as the limit of practicality gov can realistically do.

The proposals here are tiered escalations that I’m concerned with as again, potentially causing more headaches than the original problem.

For want of repetition the ‘6 points and you’re out’ part is certainly not part of what happens anyway and strikes me as an inadvertent carte blanche to up the ante and escalate until you’re forced to either repeatedly hire a merc or back down if you can’t

Better to keep it linked to subsidy unless you're prepared to really throw the sink at enforcement, which I wouldn't recommend as again, more of a headache than worth

Why would you need to hire mercs or back down? The only way you'd have a player on 6+ points (seeing as you lose points for having medals taken off you) is if someone was sniping medals in the last mins of battles and not going for legit medals themselves, so no way of getting medals from them. If this menace to UK farming did exist, and they currently don't, why wouldn't you want to reward someone for occasionally interrupting their stealing?

Well it’s more the natural objection to the line ‘what's outlined is what essentially happens anyway’ given I wrote it and disagree (without swearing, I might add) with the bells and whistles proposed here

Doesn’t really have to be sniping. Look at Capitan BaLuuu (bul) again in Wales in the first few mins. Free bounty there if anyone feels they can take it back, no problem.

How we can extend that to eUK players internally under a ‘drivers licenses’ point scheme I can only really grin and give fair warning it’ll probably end in tears. If the harder hitters even notice the declaration of a new system

For reference - https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-raf-companion-to-medal-runs-2762741

Well firstly this is linked to subsidies it just suggests better ways of regulating expectations, and it will take very little work to communicate these changes to a greater degree than the current approach has been communicated. This also creates a tangible consequence to snipes which people reading comments and convos will know is something missing presently. 6+ points would be very difficult to achieve yet alone accidentally, and as mentioned above we can use common sense to navigate subjectivity. An active and capable cabinet could run schemes for more complex than this if it chose to.

It’s proposing >escalating beyond subsidies

I’d be *extremely* cautious exercising your individual ‘common sense’ on this as your target villains here may find it hilarious if push comes to shove on you trying to enforce anything beyond subsidy

I doubt the Spamican Guard are going to come to the rescue, let alone the RAF.

Given even Mada paused at the paperwork, gdocs, target lists etc beyond the obvious as is currently the case, I think we need a bit more than your version of common sense to make something like this practical that the target audience would bother with (as chaz said, even in the remarkable circumstances they did comply, 20k and you’re out for a free medal)

Would be better just to give a bit of graphics to the current system and publish it better than I did. And I still haven’t heard how telling someone “they’re past the point of no return” is going to stop them without hiring a merc

As you well know people who don't want to follow any guidelines won't, there's not much point trying to write guidelines that pre empt what such players will or won't do. Placing someone on open season is a very small escalation but one which at least signals to other fighters what the expectations around battle etiquette are and at best makes them feel like they've been responded to if they have been subject to a snipe. That is something we should stop overlooking, people deserve a reply and an outcome to their complaints.

Placing a eUK player as a third party is a major escalation. Potentially throwing unaware eUK cits 'doing their civic duty' trying to get medals back into the deep end confronting something gov you're tacticly cannot, other than good will of someone stronger

Again, save yourself the headaches of this drivers license idea. You were right that the current scheme needs a bit of tlc, focus on that is my advice before 'improving' the system in potentially self-defeating ways

No one doing their civic duty is getting thrown into any deep ends. That should go without saying - again common sense will stop anyone being arbitrarily penalised. Notwithstanding the large amount of flex in the points themselves.

Well then it's just empty threats on gov's behalf isn't it?

Unless you have a guarenteed mechanism of enforcement then you're entirely at the mercy of anyone who'll listen - which given the target audience I'm not sure particularly works

'Someone will eventually go for your medal if you don't pay us £20k' will be met with ridicule

That may slightly miss the point but as always the proof will be in the pudding ☺️

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Yawn, yet another layer of meta

From the guy who wants to reduce taxes below the limit the game actually allows.

Not all taxes are at the minimum

All the WT and VAT are

Unless you are suggesting having a 1% tax on import of weapons - which last time massively damaged the economy and we had to put it back up.

I will say, I think you’d be a fab congress member - what we need is someone grumpy and miserable but honest about it xD

In fairness KIM, I did indicate that was >years ago when I think Emergy was MoF?

It may be quite valid now so hear him out perhaps

Septuagenarian if you want to join TRS he can join our in depth policy planning and have your say. I still think it would have a small positive benefit at best if not a strongly negative one.

But if you have a more fleshed out proposal or thinking behind this Sept I would be interested.

@SHA you speak as if you wern't in government for 24 months straight in a position to actually explore these types of things if they were viable yourself.

If lowering the weapons import tax was sensible why had your govt not trialed it in the two years you've been in power? Why did you not raise it as a Congressman?

No-one cared tbh

So what happens if you need to overhit to stop the other side from winning?

Good question!

What would you suggest? Are you talking about stopping a single round or the whole battle?

Good point, we could add in something excluding overhitting penalties from TW's in need of fixing.

even more red tape incoming

You know this is already a thing right

red tape holds the nation together!

You sure its not scotch tape?

What a bizarre comment

Nifty

I like the idea in theory, The main issue I have is the people we are going to be aiming towards are not going to care, they will just pay the "Debt" off and carry on

What he said

I stopped reading at the following "and co-ordinated by the Real Spamicans Military Policy Group"

Also, we need more rules on top of the current rules to be able to create additional rules for the following guidelines. The game is simple, hit more than the other player = win medal.

The reward was introduced a few months ago just to protect the TW medals and to make sure the eUK players have priority into battles, not sure what happened but there are players complaining about the delay in getting the reward. For me, all this information in the article is just a skip button..

Still cares enough to comment

I stopped reading the article, some of the comments were ok to read.

Any thoughts on the debate between Rory, Mada, Woldy and I AMD given it's your run?

I think you’re debating just for the sake of debating.

Bro I introduced bounties and you're trying to 'improve' it xD

At least give a serious answer

I give serious people serious answers.

Vote Huey lads

@AMD Is that why you've not given one serious answer