Presidential Debate Conclusion

Day 1,903, 09:59 • Published in Ireland Ireland • by Elite C

Well here it is the Presidential Debate February 2013
/with most of the crap cut out/

Candidates: Brian Boru and Marinko Margarinn
Moderater: Elite C
Judges: Elite C, MrConway, Kurgan, Domagojvu II


Rules and Regulations/T+C
I will ask each question submitted
Each candidate will in turn give a response, then hey can b1tch with each other for 3 mins
Then we will move on to next question
Gach Duine, tá áthas orm cun diospoireacht sin a thosaigh!

Question 1: Many have said that the Irish economy is in a bad state. Ireland until recently could only afford 4 MPP's and thanks to asecondchance we got a 5th. What will you as PResident do to ensure there is an adequte amount in the treaury to provide weapons for the Government MU, to afford MPP's. And what will you do to stabilise growth?
Wow, that's a broad question.
Who's first?
😁
Marinko Margarinn has been drawn first
k,
as I said in my plans, all I want to is improving our finances, with many ways... like renting orgs to those who really are trustworthy and got Irish Cs, trying to get some invest with interest of 1-2% and with that money we could improve our earnings from MM, if MM still continues to be bad as now is we'd get on 1.000,000 30,000 of pure profit thats not bad at all

Brian Boru please
The main financial plan I've been following is quite long term, as devised as necessary by Appleman. It is effectively to reduce costs that would sink the country, call on the patriotism of our fellow citizens to fund particular strikes, increase Army efficiency and look for revenue pretty much anywhere we can find it.
Renting orgs we ruled out because of the risk of them being misused
Thanks lads. Do the judges have any questions first please?
you're over so I can stand my opinion about renting?

A loan would be good, but my Minister for Finance has said that it would require an interest free loan to be worth it
I'm not finished lol
Let the judgs go first
Can I finish first please? >.>
Would be nice.
Alright

Anyone else with questions PM me
If Appleman and Nogin agree that a loan at 1-2% is worth it, then I will seek out a loan.
I do not operate as a dictator, I use the capabilities of our best financial minds as much as my own judgment
My government is of right now, still seeking an interest free loan
We are not sitting idly, in other words
Finished.
marinkomargarin: You spoke before about getting a loan. Do you have one prepared?
Conway: no, but I'm sure I could find it in day or two

Interest free or at a price?
1-2% at most

Question from Viewer: Would a loan with Interest not bankrupt us in the longrun?
now it wouldn't for sure, as I said if I could get us 2% loan on 1m we'd have 10k of free money, on 1% 20k free money etc. etc.

ok
Anyone have questions for BrianBoru
and I'd like to say one thing about orgs if possible?

It wouldn't bankrupt us, but at the same time, if the profit from the MM is only 1 or 2 percent, then we'd make nothing and we'd be wasting our time. A Croatian group rescinded their loan with Ireland on that basis before
It can happen again
BrianBoru : Question from Viewer: Will you not do the same thing financially next term as this?

BrianBoru:you have previous month to improve our economy, and you didn't improve it how we supose to trust that you are capable to improve things in long term run 😮
There are several options this coming term that we didn't have last term.
The MM is changing again, slowly.
As is the financial situation of our allies
And our financial situation?
Can I answer one question at a time thanks 😛
Take your time
I will act on the situation as it develops, and that will inevitably mean a different course from last month
Because things are changing
Last month was effectively a bottoming out of the world economy
But that may not continue to be the case, even if admin reforms aren't coming yet
As for Domu's question

I did improve our economy: I insured that the government didn't go bankrupt from MUFC's previous military spending, something that I assume Marinko would like to continue with funding from sources in Croatia
That is all I could do given the robbery
Not to mention the state of the world economy
Thanks
Question from Viewer: A countrys national orgs were recently perm banned for misuse, how can MM ensure the Irish ones are not misused?
for both^
If we rent out orgs, we can't.
End of.
marinko?
How can I be sure, thats easy orgs wouldn't be handed to everyone, for orgs you'll have to deposit 50g and the daily pay for it is 1.1g so we'll need to find trustworthy guys from Ireland to rent orgs to them

Thank You
But an org is worth WAY more than 50g in the long term
That's a very poor defence
BrianBoru: we have more than 5 orgs that we don't use

So you're saying we should sell them for 50G?
We may need them in future
no its not selling them

We should keep them for when things are better

its renting, and we could get from them 84gold per month

with which we could get more money on other orgs...

According to who's calculations?
Yours?
yes.

The Finance Department is far less optimistic about their profitability, and I suspect they're in a better position to see than you are.
Already had talks with our MoF, and had talks with one of the best guys about economics in this game, Croatian CP dSoKre.

Marinko is Appleman your MoF?
Conway: yes he is

Your reliance on the Croatians to fish Ireland out of the economic mess your party mate left us with is quite obvious
Croatian orgs made 25G tops in the good times
Appleman is running on his current system with BrianBoru, if he felt org renting was good I'm sure he would have had this passed and done.
And when orgs are banned, we lose ALL income forever
And they can't be replaced
Ok lad, we could stay on about this all night, but we must move on...
Conway: had talks with him, and we'll have many more talks about that to find out whats best for us


BrianBoru ; we can make a lot of profit from renting orgs and it's safe if you rent them to trustworthy citizens like for example Bhane who wanted them, that only gives us profit and we'd use those orgs we aren't using at this moment, not just that would pay for most of our MPP's but there would be enough money left to start new projects and make more money.


Qestion 2: last term Ireland voted to leave EDEN, this term they voted not to join CoT and ASGARD won't have us. Which Alliance do you in your opinion believe is best for Ireland and why? And, with 3 Alliances notsatisfactory/not wanting us have we run out of options?
Marinko is drawn first
I might consider Bhane, but he's been having profitability issues himself. If it isn't profitable enough, it won't be worth it regardless
well we left EDEN, we rejected CoT, and ASGARD doesn't want us (Sweden- and we all know why) I'll try to re-open talks with Sweden and ASGARD firstly and maybe will wait to see more new options as EDEN is falling apart, so there could be new alliance that we could be one of founders. Which one is best for us? the one who'll let us have our vote and that will help us no matter what is going...

...on (same for us).

Thank You.
Brian Boru please.

I believe that EDEN will collapse, and a new alliance will rise from the ashes. I've seen the same happen to many alliances over the years, it's practically guaranteed. We got the CoT debate out of the way this month, which was important, because we needed to have a set path for the country. As for Asgard, they're too weak and reliant on EDEN damage, but
But then again, so are we
I wouldn't object to joining EDEN
Sorry, Asgard lol
I wouldn't object to joining Asgard
@ Marinkomargarin BrianBoru : Question from Viewer: has asgard said it won't have us, as there are reports that some of its CP's actually would welcome us into it
Those reports are correct, but the Swedes don't want us because we invaded them and some of them have personal problems with Carolus here 😛
We can overcome them, but we needed to get CoT's question answered first
I think CoT story is finished with this referendum.

I pledge to start brisk negotiations if re-elected towards bringing a referendum on the issue to a head
Yeah, CoT is finished
Anyone with questions PM them to me. Judges if you have questions go ahead..
Only one swedish party would reject us in Asgard, Swedish president, all Finnish parties,Canadians and everyone else would accept us

True, but the problem is that we couldn't enter without the CoT referendum result that we found out
Essentially, this term has cleared a large obstacle towards re-alignment with Asgard and our old allies
As opposed to some of our new friends
yes thats true, but we have to close that CoT story. Referendum said Ireland does not want to join CoT, and we should move on

Marinko, I have just said it: The CoT story is over, I closed it with the holding of the referendum.
We have chosen our old friends over new possibilities
Ok, no more questions so we have to move on.....



Question 3: What are the plans for bringing in new people and keeping them here, projects for a possible baby boom? and what can we offer to them to make them stay here?

BrianBoru😒o your term haven't actually solved anything, it was just a big waste of time, are we going to have another refferendum next month if you win
^ Good to see we have neutral judges haha
someone must to ask that question
Domagoju Brian Boru did the right thing

A big waste of time: I stopped the government going bankrupt, I solved a major Foreign Affairs question about CoT, I insured that a PTO didn't disrupt politics
Conway, you being neutral is also laughable
I'm sure Marinko agrees lol
we've had months of no progress on Foreign Affairs. Brian Boru pressed ahead and made a choice
Question 3: What are the plans for bringing in new people and keeping them here, projects for a possible baby boom? and what can we offer to them to make them stay here?
Brian was drawn first this time
😉 we can move on 3rd pls 😛

Well, I have bounced several ideas off the Senate this month. We're going to recruit from existing players in various countries with known RL Irish populations
America, Australia, Canada etc
We haven't done so this month because I wanted to see how Ian's project went
As for the new player coming in, I think we just have to involve them early. Not just hand them guns and say "shoot here", but bring them into the community properly
That's how we all got involved really
This game would be very shit indeed without the community element
Done
Thanks. Marinko please.
plans for bringing in new guys is p much same as always, I appointed Ian on that position coz he shown that he's capable of doing awesome job as Minister of Education, all I can do is recruit guys from Facebook, (spamming mode on pages etc.) and could try with some RL Irish guys to get few articles in RL newspapers, and that will get us many new players for sure.

May I rebutt that position EliteC?
Anyone have quesions on this issue. Yes you may
there is no much things we could do with that question, only we can do is get over PTO stuff, and try to be united to show them we can function like this. New community games would keep them here aswell

Over.

Marinko, that strategy has been tried for years. FB links get you banned on FB, RL newspapers in Ireland are too traditional and so don't care, most of the time.
Colleges have been hit with recruitment campaigns, they've also resulted in bans from pages
We have to concentrate on getting people who do join to stay, and getting players who already play elsewhere to come to Ireland
Not all RL countries care about eRep like the Balkans
Unfortunately
Just try ti PM them, and wait for their response if one outta 20 post our text with link we could get few very active citizens here

to*

Ive tried myself Marinko. Done a lot of Babyboom work in Ireland. No luck
Question from Viewer: Brian Boru Did you not in this term tighten our boarders and setup a Committe on Imigration? Why is it you now say "getting players who already play elsewhere to come to Ireland"
They would be under no less scrutiny than players currently wishing to come to Ireland, and we'd also look into their backgrounds in terms of contributions to their original countries
There are many Argentinians who would like to come here for instance
But at the same time
A number of noobs being scammed by some irish citizens surely didn't help too...

We have to be wary of PTOs
Marinko, very true
That sort of shit needs to stop
Rebuttle from Viewer: How do check the background?
We ask contacts we have in their host countries as well as people who know them in Ireland, we look at their media contributions, former positions in government etc
MUs
The Committee on Immigration doesn't exist to stop immigration entirely
It exists to protect Ireland from dangerous immigrants
Rebuttle from Viewer: Is it not possible they delete their paper, leave MU and Party and delete friends? What do you do then?
Otherwise, I suspect many of our finest citizens would not be here
EliteC, then they don't get in
😁
If they have a suspicious lack of activity, they don't get in
Like I said
ok
but there will be always someone who can tell us who that guy really is...
Many of our best aren't from eIreland originally
Marinko is right as well
We will move on.
Now this question is a combined of several from viewers
way to go Conway
...
finger slipped
:/
Get on with it, Kurgan has behaved himself
don't get it become personal fight


Both: Will you publicly condemn any further PTOs if elected, and will you provide state support by asking IA to help prevent PTOs? And what is you view on the UK
who's first?
You
k, thanks
Challengers go first
Marinko was drawn first
Yes I'll go public with that for sure. And if there is any real threat that some party could be PTO-ed, I'd provide some ATO actions, will make ATO committee that will be on for any PTO try, and will stop it immediately.
About UK:
Then why do you mock the current PTO of THE PATRIOTS?
give him a chance
Well we all know what situation is with UK, if we attack them we'd prolly be down, they are in TWO, we are independent and I'll try to get our relationship going well as it goes now.
thank you
BrianBoru please
Conway: where did I mocked?
you claimed Jack only wanted the best for the party, clear mockery of the PTO
>.>
An Israeli defending me, the irony
lol
Conway: let BrianBoru finish this.
than we'll talk bout this 🙂
Can you not answer this
Ok I will answer you now,

Anyway, I've already acted to stop a PTO getting out of han😛 The Patriots
Frankly, I don't see that party going anywhere in particular
But at the same time
The government's job is to defend democracy as much as anything else
Screwing that up is not a good thing
Jack told me that he never meant to PTO TP, he said to me he wants to do best for TP etc. etc. he tried ain't he? he published many articles where you just cried didn't even wanted to cooperate aye?
He did not try.
Question from Viewer: BrianBoru marinkomargarin : Would any of you consider actively pursuing membership in TWO. Campaigning to get them to consider opening the door to us. Our budding friendliness with UK could provide an opportunity in the future.
what he did with buying votes, thats bad
And multis
no, I wouldn't even try to contact TWO...
I have talked to TWO people a little bit, the best we could do is join their junior alliance ACT, which would mean we simply take orders from TWO
Plus there is the matter of Serbia
So no
Thank You and as we run the fear of getting racist.. we'll move on
lol
I'll rather say we couldn't get along with being in same alliance as UK and Serbia.
As the person who effectively got the Irish Republican movement in eRepublik going, I am very responsible for hostile relations between Britain and the UK.
Fact of the matter is that this game has RL borders, and we can use that to further our own ideas about how they should be
Britain and UK
😛
lol
ourselves and Britain
Apologies
Northern Ireland is something we can strive for, one way or another
To abandon that pursuit ultimately means no real war
Some have suggested attacking Canada to me, I don't view that as a good idea
We can remain very friendly with the UK
Why?
But tolerating an open statement of imperialism isn't good either
Sorry misinterpritated the thing on canada
Oh, Canada
No, thats not good Idea as well, neither is to attack UK nowdays... We should wait for getting us alliance first, than trying to get us war
we'd be wiped in situation like we're in
Indeed
I don't think we should have left EDEN
We have already run into trouble over doing so this term
The Chinese CP is pretty pissed as well
Either way, relations with the UK are good at the moment
While Northern Ireland remains a sticking point, we have no interest in war
For the coming term at the very least
Further cooperation would have been possible if CoT had been accepted


I would like to thank Brian and Marinko for attending. The other Candidates who were unable to attend sent their apologies.

Also like to thank the judges.

I would like to apologise for not holding debate on a private chat room.
I am working on a Presidential Committee for next month to ensure the voters are accurately informed and a debate can be held with minimum interuption.

Viewer Ratings: The final thoughts of some viewers.
We peaked at about 12:20pm eRep time at 28 viewers. On average we had 22-24.

Brian Boru: 2
Marinko: 1
Deadlocke😛 5

Judges scores will be posted as they come in.

Topic [BB / MM]

Persusiveness [ 3 / 3 ] [5]
Mud-Slinging [ 2 / 1 ] [5]
Persistance [ 4 / 3 ] [5]
Overall Inpression [ 8 / 7 ] [10]
Total [ 17 / 14 ] [25]

@Shield 72: I can accept been branded a 'noob' on eRepublik, but I do not accept being called one regarding my intellect or capability to use the interest and computer systems, as per your comment on previous articles.

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