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Clearly Vincent Pain asked to do this.

I never has been a fan of Vincent and no he did not ask for this, but I start to understand his point of view

I could ofcourse fake logs to make him say stuff too since many people seem to be so gullible lately...

Either the majority of you did vote in MrWonka instead of making sure a different candidate was presented (or even voting for shadowukcs) and you're all to blame for having another wipe coming or the majority actually agrees with it. That is my point of view, because this expat hasn't forced any decisions in your affairs for more then a year now. Stop pretending that democracy is broken, the simple truth is too many pro unwipe eBelgians are too lazy to make it happen.

Let me say that you're ofcourse free to join Funky Militia along with the other eBelgians that moved into the unit.

the point is that we are discussing on the forum about having congress or not but gov has already asked a wipe without saying they would. indeed you do not interfere, mostly you try to give good advice.
I am not the person who jumps a lot, I am in eBe and stays there, I am in BNA and unless they want me to do something evil I stay there, why joining a MU abroad if I have one in my country?

Boer Jan, the government stance has always been that we should be wiped. We got "accidently" unwiped. Why would government need to start a new discussion about something that was already decided. It is still the same decision than before to stay wiped for congress elections.

If you want to see this policy changed then feel free to start a discussion and come with solid arguments and with a solid plan to make this happen en to keep eBE save. Until you do that you are just complaining to complain if you don't have a alternate plan.

solid arguments, why do I give solid arguments, you do not give us those either, all you do is killing the country, chasing people out of the country so that it slowly dies, everything is a better alternative than that.
who the hell are you to decide what is good, once everything lost you will go again looking for something else while we will be stuck with it

We've given enough argument why we think the wipe is better for eBE. But I see no solid arguments from your side besides "being wiped is bad for belgium"

Also, your previous post was got 8 votes all by PTO'ers, I think that is a clear indicator that you're on the wrong side of the argument.

the biggest argument I heard was:" they will steal the treasury" we do not have one any more so that is not valid today, the other one was: "it is worse living under PTO", proof?
and yes for you I am on the wrong side, like everything is wrong if it does not suite your meaning, I am simply on the other side with a lot of good guys, if my idea pleases bad people like you call them that means they agree with me, not vice versa

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"We showed that our citizens wanted their country back by fighting hard"

Uhm have you look at the stats who were fighting in the RW? 99% of them were non eBE'ers, mostly FF medal hunters so your statement is a lie.

"I am asking you, Who makes those decisions for us?"

The democratically elected government made these decisions.
You clearly fail to understand the consequences of what happens when we have regions en congress elections. You clearly are too stubborn to understand that living under a PTO is worse than living in a country without regions but where you have control of your country.

Maybe instead of making your own party you should have joined Vincent Pain's party it's basically the same points you are making as he is.

"The democratically elected government made these decisions."

It wasn't democratically elected, as we didn't vote for it nor we didn't participate in the creation of it. You should better stop lying; as one big cloud of staunch is coming out your mouth. Ph-ph-ph.

"You clearly fail to understand the consequences of what happens when we have regions en congress elections. You clearly are too stubborn to understand that living under a PTO is worse than living in a country without regions but where you have control of your country.

Maybe instead of making your own party you should have joined Vincent Pain's party it's basically the same points you are making as he is."

You the only one who doesn't understand clearly; we are not going anywhere, Regions or no regions, Congress or no Congress, we are staying here forever and ever after. Your policies and decisions are one big failure. You personally together with some other foreign elements are responsible for destroying the core of this country: financially, demographically and morally.

The only thing you did really succeed is; you created your little Rainbow colored heaven out of eBelgium.
Where you and your Fellas are doing your stuff, as it wasn't possible nowhere else in the new world of eRepublik.
In other countries they would've kicked directly in your bottoms and told you to never come back. And just because RL Belgians are nice, friendly and not aggressive people, you are using their kindness and hospitality to spread your agenda.

"It wasn't democratically elected, as we didn't vote for it nor we didn't participate in the creation of it."

IF you didn't participated or voted for me doesn't mean the elected president isn't democratically elected. If you choose to not participate and vote and don't participate on the democratic process then that is on you.

When did we ever had a chance to vote and to choose the members of the government - never. So, it is not democratic at all. We were always excluded from decision making and left outside. That's why we don't want to cooperate.

3rd political wind is here!
For freedom, for Belgium!

Let's change Belgium together!

Here is nice song; especially chosen for you. Listen and enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpNgah-e6v4

" had confilct only with you, because you're like: "Belgium is mine! You have to do what I say.""

Actually, I am MoD when you were my deputy and commander of the national army that comes with responsibility for instance following orders and not fight at the other side the orders are set for. That has nothing to do with "you have to do what I want" it has to do with doing what is expected of you when you take a position. I can assure you you will get fired for that in any country when you're in ministry of defense and/of commander of the national army and you fight against orders.

You have beautiful voice.

No cika it is your voice, not mine.

I am also glad you came to the conclusion, there are two different groups in eBelgium PTO-ing each other. But what we are doing is calle😛 FTO-ing.

Funny how you changed your stance completely after having a conflict with people in the government. First you where 100% for being wiped and suddenly you are all against it and you're for freedom.

He changes his colors like his socks, that's the way he is.

I had confilct only with you, because you're like: "Belgium is mine! You have to do what I say." I'm still for being wiped, but for FREEDOM of nation. I chosed this party, this idea. Not your idea, and nor PTOers idea.
Joep, I'm still against PTO, but, there are 2 PTOs in Belgium.. Power hungry, and on power PTOers.

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" had confilct only with you, because you're like: "Belgium is mine! You have to do what I say.""

Actually, I am MoD when you are my deputy and commander of the national army that comes with responsibility for instance following orders and not fight at the other side the orders are set for. That has nothing to do with "you have to do what I want" it has to do with doing what is expected of you when you take a position.

It would be nice that you first say: "We will try to get MPP with them." Not like: "I'm not going to say anything. Don't fight anywhere, you might fight against our future ally, and fu** our MPP."
I can follow orders if they are clear, not like: FOG lvl 999999

1. MoD orders were to fight for eUS for 4 days in a row, and still you fought against them.
2. We were trying to get in the Spoland alliance and you agreed and you knew that included USA.
3. You acted like a brat, when I asked you to stop hitting you just started hitting harder and went for a BH

Is that so Funny???... It is not, I never liked Boer Jan and he clearly doesnt like me... The fact is that neider one of us is the problem, the problem is you and your North Korean dictatorship. Boer Jan is not the first and wil not be the last to step out of your ship.

I joined Funky for supplies

TRAITORRRRRR 😃

Well, guys and gals, that was a nice read. You provided, as ever, my weekly dosis of drama. Oh eBelgium you're so good at that. 😃 And when it stays out you just have to make sure the unwipe is mentioned to get a portion again!

Now, if we ever want to get out of this uncomprehensiveness, of ones repeating the same deal over and over again, the others getting frustrated to get the same speech again and start angering, and then those ones back stating they are tired of speaking to no effect and just leave... we must open up a bit.

To the wannabe-free: Understand that those supporting the wipe have an absolute, ABSOLUTE fear of an ongoing PTO and nothing will convince them of unwiping unless a certain selection of people that we all know so well I won't even mention their names, leave. That's not because they want to sell our regions or scavenge our treasury, no. They would all prefer an existing and active country, like we kind of all do.

To the pro-wipe: Understand that those people do not share your fear and will consider other options because we have no PLAN. They see we are wiped, but that nothing improves because of that. Old eBelgian are leaving while those suspected stay, and it was meant to go the other way around. So they question the wipe, because it doesn't seem to be a solution to the PTO at all, and the result is you start to bash them because of that. Some of you even leave and dare to claim the blame is on those people who "dared to even mention an unwipe". No wonder why they are frustrated.

To the PTOers/FTOers whatever you call yourselves: you scary. I mean some people are really, REALLY scared of you. In fact you're so scary that we wiped and those that defend it feel the urge to reply on every single crappy propaganda you publish. They say that if you get to power, eBe will be lost forever in the hands of mongrels. And in fact you CONFIRM that image. We see you insulting, not having any funded argument at all, just copy pasting anything Vincent says, being freaking damn racist and misogynic, always searching for feud in the most absurd circumstances. We have you behaving like urang-utans and intellectual people telling you're dangerous, who do you think we'll believe? You better start telling us why we would vote for you instead of repeating the same monologue about not voting for Res Belgica&co.

Chihiroh for cp \o/

An open and democratic country has no greater danger then fear... fear makes us all blind for the thruth.

First of all, you are insulting us now and taking us for coneheads and wally's which we are certainly not. eBelgum is ruled by RB and its satellites for very long time and the results of their catastrophic rulership and bad management are here: clear, transparent and very obvious. They (R😎 are thinking; they know what is the best; and they are the only ones capable of leading this country, which is not true. Without going into too many details how we would run this country and which things we would improve; generally we have our idea to see eBelgium grow into the country with more active citizens and more political options. As we are seeing it now, it is always same people and same ideas. No improvement visible; only degradation and destruction of the existing resources. They are PTO-ing us under the mask of ATO actons and so called “high national security interests”. And in return we are doing the same and we will continue to do the same as long as they don’t come to their senses and they understand they can not win against us. It will be always one round for them and another round for us, and so on till the eternity. Without the definitive winner on any of sides. And by saying and accusing us of being SCARY (wauw, like in SCARY movies?) is just nonsense, we are just some ordinary personalities behind PC screens, nicknames and avatars. So who would be really scared of the bunch of pixels, just only retarded, dull, unintelligent, foolish, uneducated and unimaginative persons, I presume. Any normal intelligent person wouldn’t take us for a threat or serious danger to eBelgium.

And we are definitely bad evil persons, because we are using our heads and can not be manipulated

It's easy to accuse people of being manipulated, saying that you are the only "free" ones. Also why would you compare eRep to RL? When I'm talking about fear I'm talking about in-game terms. I'm sure Konrad or Valeyard couldn't care less once they closed their computers. It is fact that you accuse people of things without any kind of supporting argument, you're telling people that you can read the mind of everybody. "Evil person does this, for that reason, thinks that, wants to hurt us, ..."

On top of that you could count the amount of racist, misogynic or homophobic comments made by people of your crew. I'm referring for instance to Christijan's attack on MQ, GW's rocket on Konrad, or your attacks on Cika based on nationality. So really, plenty of reasons for people to absolutely NOT want you to be on any political scene.

Everyone is fighting for its place under the Sun and in this political arena; and is using different tools and the resources like in RL. Ours are maybe kind of unusual and unorthodox for you, but we men from the Southern hemispheres have warm blood, lot of passion and endless courage. So who has the bollocks to confront us - is real man to us, all the rest are - mamma's boys and the members of the boys town gang association.

Well, talking about accusing without any reasonable arguments... Konrad does that all the time. I can find the logs from #eBrussels, you where there... When he talks how I had let immigrants into the country, approving their css...and I was never a congressman in eBelgium. The man's delusional. o0

"southern hemispheres", I just hear mere invented excuses. Let people of your crew apologize personally as well as improve their behavior, then we can start talking. And saying that you behave badly because others do the same is just whining, if they jumped of a cliff would you do it too?

C'mon give us some credit, we are orderly villains, ok, but in fact we are not that bad. We are actually not from this world as our origins are from the planet Mars and by being Martians we are kind of different than you ordinary mortals. Concerning your demands for issuing an apology from our side, well it is not the problem, we have done it already several times before in the past. Lately to boer jan, if you still remember.
1. Christijan is Christijan, we are not responsible for his deeds and actions. He got some infringement points for his misuse of his language. What can I say more. I am not his father, I am not his mother not am I related to him in any way.
2, The famous rocket stuff wasn't G.W.Junior's creation, but from someone else. So don't accuse G.W.J for something he didn't do and isn't responsible for. It was actually work of AS.
3. Me and my brother in law JH, we also got some infringement points, for different things.
The attacks on cika weren't nationalistically based, you are wrong about it, as it had to do more with religion in fact. You don't know probably and you are not familiar with it. In the times of the Ottomans, people who left their roots and changed their religion, and became Turks were so called, like we shouted to him. Generally people described traitors that way.
Are you satisfied with my explanations and the answers? I HOPE so.
And I am not accusing anyone for being manipulated. We (our Crew) certainly can not be manipulated and influenced easily and cheaply, as we posses outstanding intelligence and enough of life experience to see through any fabricated and fake story created by elite gang.

Religion is the opium of the people Karl Marx 🙂

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Interesting stuff here. 🙂

Hand me some pop corn comrad 🙂