Where darkness reigns supreme
Day 1,165, 12:35
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by Wallachian
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This writing is not trolling - sorry Martinoz. And no, I haven`t smoked anything either. Well, at least not consciously so, sorry Didey
This writing is mostly about how our programming function and how do we "act" given certain stimuli.
And yes, eRepublik included.
An hour ago I was reading a comment by a Hungarian player as a remark to something I said about the scientifically proven DNA structure of the modern day Hungarian population. What I said was what some Budapest scientists affirmed, and that the modern day Hungarian blood is mostly Slav, German and Romanian, and has only 5% Magyar in it. So basically the Hungarian people and the Hungarian language is something made up.
The Hungarian player comment was that Hungary is 2000 years old.
I`m not going to get into a political debate here.
My point was to study how our minds work. From an early age we are conditioned to be a certain way, by our parents, teachers, colleagues, employers,you name it.
One is born in Gyor and is taught that hes a descendant of Attila the Hun. They keep filling his head with how Hungarians are superior, how they were here first, how the Romanians were some shepherds from Albania who somehow became gypsies and how they stole Transylvania. The child will grow hating his neighbour. And if not his neighbour, maybe his friends or his spouse even if they are of the same breed.
On the other side of the fence, in Cluj a kid is being taught how hes a descendant of Decebalus and how Romanians come from the mixture of Dacians and Romans and how Magyars came here from Mongolia around 1000 AD and stolen our land. This child will also grow hating his neighbour, and if not then the other football team supporters or those that dress in pink.
Same stuff, 2 different people that were conditioned they live in a world where if you want to be first somewhere you have to step over dead bodies. And basically this is how the mind works. The mind only knows duality. The mind cannot exist in a pure white environment if you don`t have a black dot somewhere. If the darkness reigns supreme and your eye has never seen light, can you have any sort of judgment whatsoever? Can "you" exist?
Can you exist if there is not another human being with whom you can compare yourself? How tall would you be if everybody is same height? How can you tell your girlfriend`s eyes are green if there is no blue to differentiate. Basically I am Romanian because next to me there`s a Hungarian (or any other nation). He is what he is because he can compare himself to me.
The moment we stop comparing each-other the duality disappears and you discover he is just like you, just another human being. More than that if you look deeper at how his mind works and how he acts, you might discover that he is a mirror image of yourself. What you give is what you get and all that stuff.
So getting back to the comment at hand, I remember I found it quite funny the way it contradicted "my" story, and my "ego", and I was eager to laugh at him and prove how I`m right and he`s wrong. And thing is, even if I am right, how does that help me be "better"? I will still be the same and so is he. We will still look at each-other with a raised eyebrow and we will still dwell in the same darkness we did until now.
And that is all because of how society conditioned us. Society, as it is now can only exist in the presence of conflict. How could men be manipulated against each-other if they actually start caring for other values, like love and empathy?
Unfortunately, ideas like this are nothing but fairy stories and we are still lurking in the dark. It`s good for teh lullz though. However teh lullz cannot save us in real life...
This writing is not trolling - sorry Martinoz. And no, I haven`t smoked anything either. Well, at least not consciously so, sorry Didey
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This writing is mostly about how our programming function and how do we "act" given certain stimuli.
And yes, eRepublik included.
An hour ago I was reading a comment by a Hungarian player as a remark to something I said about the scientifically proven DNA structure of the modern day Hungarian population. What I said was what some Budapest scientists affirmed, and that the modern day Hungarian blood is mostly Slav, German and Romanian, and has only 5% Magyar in it. So basically the Hungarian people and the Hungarian language is something made up.
The Hungarian player comment was that Hungary is 2000 years old.
I`m not going to get into a political debate here.
My point was to study how our minds work. From an early age we are conditioned to be a certain way, by our parents, teachers, colleagues, employers,you name it.
One is born in Gyor and is taught that hes a descendant of Attila the Hun. They keep filling his head with how Hungarians are superior, how they were here first, how the Romanians were some shepherds from Albania who somehow became gypsies and how they stole Transylvania. The child will grow hating his neighbour. And if not his neighbour, maybe his friends or his spouse even if they are of the same breed.
On the other side of the fence, in Cluj a kid is being taught how hes a descendant of Decebalus and how Romanians come from the mixture of Dacians and Romans and how Magyars came here from Mongolia around 1000 AD and stolen our land. This child will also grow hating his neighbour, and if not then the other football team supporters or those that dress in pink.
Same stuff, 2 different people that were conditioned they live in a world where if you want to be first somewhere you have to step over dead bodies. And basically this is how the mind works. The mind only knows duality. The mind cannot exist in a pure white environment if you don`t have a black dot somewhere. If the darkness reigns supreme and your eye has never seen light, can you have any sort of judgment whatsoever? Can "you" exist?
Can you exist if there is not another human being with whom you can compare yourself? How tall would you be if everybody is same height? How can you tell your girlfriend`s eyes are green if there is no blue to differentiate. Basically I am Romanian because next to me there`s a Hungarian (or any other nation). He is what he is because he can compare himself to me.
The moment we stop comparing each-other the duality disappears and you discover he is just like you, just another human being. More than that if you look deeper at how his mind works and how he acts, you might discover that he is a mirror image of yourself. What you give is what you get and all that stuff.
So getting back to the comment at hand, I remember I found it quite funny the way it contradicted "my" story, and my "ego", and I was eager to laugh at him and prove how I`m right and he`s wrong. And thing is, even if I am right, how does that help me be "better"? I will still be the same and so is he. We will still look at each-other with a raised eyebrow and we will still dwell in the same darkness we did until now.
And that is all because of how society conditioned us. Society, as it is now can only exist in the presence of conflict. How could men be manipulated against each-other if they actually start caring for other values, like love and empathy?
Unfortunately, ideas like this are nothing but fairy stories and we are still lurking in the dark. It`s good for teh lullz though. However teh lullz cannot save us in real life...
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Hum I wanted to write a long comment, but I don't do that. : )
Endre Czeizel has a great book about the Hungarian nation's genetics.
You know in RL Hungary nobody gives a shit about Romania except the hardcore nationalists. In the game there is something different : here a large part of eHungarians hate Romania.
But
Mixing of e and RL issues just screw up things and cause hate. I'm not here to hate, I'm here to have fun.
Hungarians have never been to Mongolia.O_o And in theory what if they did?
>'More than that if you look deeper at how his mind works and how he acts, you might discover that he is a mirror image of yourself'
Everyone is a copy of a copy of a copy? :😁
>'And that is all because of how society conditioned us. Society, as it is now can only exist in the presence of conflict. How could men be manipulated against each-other if they actually start caring for other values, like love and empathy?'
Agreed.
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AThompson,
What we doing here is like a walk in the park, conquering pixels and pretending we conquered a whole country.
Problem is in RL where we kill each-other for such ideas.
Gabriel,
Pretty much, copies of copies of copies, who think themselves as "the" original
"...except the hardcore nationalists"
And the majority of huns are nationalists, haha... if I'm correct even a part of your government seats are taken by a nationalist group.
And relax, we don't care about Hungary either, we only "care" about those who live in Romania.
tl;dr
@stefanzor : most of the Hungarians are just nationalist like everybody else in Eastern Europe. We stuck in the early XX th century.
They are not hard-ass nationalist.
And not it didn't taken. : )
"and how Magyars came here from Mongolia around 1000 AD and stolen our land"
I have never seen a Romanian history book claiming this. Hungarians come from around the Urals, as many other European nations from the area. Hungarians and Romanians fought the Golden Horde together later on.
Besides idiot, uneducated parents, I don't know who could teach the child that.
About genetics: the situation can be compared with the Spanish speaking natives of South America. Hungarians converted those that they ruled. This has 2 reasons:
1) in early days, Hungarian raiders also stole children from the countries they raided
2) Hungarian policy was always (except maybe for world war 2) that it does not mater in which nation you were born in, if you want to be Hungarian you are part of the Hungarian nation. This of course had it's negative sides for those who did not want to "convert".
About the main idea of the article, there was a nice saying I heard a while back: if you can't win with "I have a bigger one", try with "We have a bigger one".
Very nice article, i have to agree on everything you have written there. It's deepness is something you hardly find on today's articles. Good reading ; )
to tell the truth, wallachian, it is too big to read it... i am here just to troll... (as you asked at your shout xD) voted...
trol trol trol trol trol trol trol trol trol trol xD
PS. i used , : O
I don't hate hungarians. I love Erzsi !
It lasts until the third one (threatening those two) comes into the picture.
Gabi,
there are some more, just that trolling and boobs usually win the votes xD
Clawy,
So you might be a Romanian who was "convinced" to be Hungarian and that is all right with you? Because if I was Hungarian and knew about how we used to convert the occupied population I`d start asking questions. Of course the vice-versa can also be possible, thats why from a deeper point of view, all the racial traits and differences can only be regarded as social & cultural programming.
In the end we`re pretty much the same.
It wasn't necessarily occupied population. The Hungarian kings granted many nomadic tribes lands inside Hungary. To quote Stephen I of Hungary: "Make the strangers welcome in this land, let them keep their languages and customs, for weak and fragile is the realm which is based on a single language or on a single set of customs."
If we are to lock at me personally, my "blood" is Szekler. Both my parents were born there. As a culture, I think I am a mix of Banatian cultures: I went to Hungarian school, played with Romanian and even Gypsy kids outside, and I have an uncle who is German. the only ethnic group from this area I had little contact with are the Serbs. I took a little from all cultures, good sides and bad sides.
"Clean blood" never existed. It couldn't have, excepts for nations that for all their history would have been independent and locked up with only themselves. There is no such nation on the planet today.
@AThompson
"Hungarians have never been to Mongolia"
of course, i agree. i say they CAME from Mongolia. : )))
well, not really Mongolia-Mongolia, but from beyond the Ural Mountains, between the Altai Mountains and Bashkiria, which is close-enough and most importantly NOT Europe.
I'm a bit tired of english so here goes in romanian:
Frumos articol desi e un pic de trolling, precum spune si clawy nu exista nici un MANUAL ISTORIC aprobat de MECT care sa spuna asemenea aberatie cu maghiarii!
Multa lume ii confunda cu hoarda de aur dar nu e chiar asa!
La noi au fost si intemeiat orase pana si Saxonii, vizigotii, gotii si au trecut pe tarlaua noastra chiar si ostrogotii!
si cumanii si pecenegii si bulgarii si si si si multi altii
ca sa fim mai corecti cam toti europenii vin din indo-europeni
Trolling. Some say.
But quality trolling....
Nice v
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[...]The mind only knows duality.[...]
Perhaps you say these things not to visit Brazil, a country of many Brazils ... Despite multiple origins, is a happy and charismatic. Regardless of race or ethnicity.
walla- remember ildico. don`t go on the dark side. please.
AThompson-we don`t give a $h@t about you too.
Clawy- nu am nimic cu scolile, universitatile si limba voastra cu autonomia culturala, am ceva cu autonomia teritoriala pe criterii etnice pe care o promovati cu un succes mai mare sau mai mic. aveti mare grija sa nu se sfarseasca tot in fum de AK-47.
Sa va fie clar ceva si sa nu confundati ca " indo-europeni " inseamna ca au venenit din India in Europa... nu fratilor.. "indo" vrea sa spune "interior, inauntru" etc.. sper ca m-am facut inteles.
klm_p acel "Indo" vine de la subcontinentul indian, believe it or not! : )
Cel puţin limbile indo-europene sunt o familie de limbi vorbite ca limbi materne de aproximativ jumătate din populaţia planetei, în special în Europa, nordul şi sudul Asiei, cele 2 Americi şi Australia, precum şi pe arii însemnate din celelalte zone. Următoarele familii de limbi, în privinţa numărului de vorbitori, sunt limbile sino-tibetane şi limbile afro-asiatice.
Majoritatea limbilor vorbite în Europa aparţin superfamiliei indo-europene. Fac excepţie limbile fino-ugrice (maghiara, estoniana şi finlandeza), limbile caucaziene, basca, malteza (derivată în mare parte din arabă) - şi turca aparţinând limbilor turcice.
dude .. no trolling 🙁
Can't wait the next trolling article, but this one is also great! o7
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One of my great grandfathers was supposed to be Romanian, but don't tell anyone...J/K
As for Hungarian genetics, well we came from the Ukraine and Moldova, so we were far from "pure" when we arrived. I always laugh when someone calls us Bozgor... because yes, we are probably closely related to the Bashkirs.
As for Romanians, I read that many of the early rulers of the principalities were descendants of Cumans and Uzes. In a way we are the same, we just look at things from opposite perspectives.
The Bulgarians are funny because I think they sometimes switch perspectives back and forth. Can't make up their minds if they want to be Slavs or descendants of Turkic Bulgars.
Votat! fain.
During the years I became at some point quite interested in the Romanian-Hungarian interaction in RL. The best explanation I could come up with is Yin-Yang. Even geografically if you look at the Har-Cov area, you will see how the two populations (Romanians and Hungarians) are distributed. Quite funny.
"JyM22 Day 1,167, 00:05
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One of my great grandfathers was supposed to be Romanian, but don't tell anyone...J/K"
Now we know why you`re good looking xD