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Whats up with all the anti-TUP???

Dan 1,826, 12:42 Objavljeno u United Kingdom Ujedinjeno Kraljevstvo od Ironfists

Now this has really annoyed me recently, i understand that they may have done things in the past but I've seen less TUP propaganda then I've seen individual claims of it.
This Elitism which i can't remember seeing though it could be there, i see lots of references to it but few pieces of evidence.
I Guess what i'm really unhappy with is the lack of solid clean evidence, without it i'm left confused and unable to come to a decision, also by 'Clean Evidence' i mean evidence that is undeniable, stuff like screenshots are editable making them less than reliable.
Additional: Or is this just me expecting too much and being naive???

Thank you for Reading



Danie Fox
Danie Fox Dan 1,826, 13:09

TUP propaganda! ; )

Ironfists Dan 1,826, 13:10


Sexagenarian Dan 1,826, 14:54

Stick around and stay alert, the evidence you're looking for will become obvious.

Alphabethis Dan 1,826, 15:04

do you want a photograph of "undeniable elitism" ? mmmm , a written document such as "Our principles on Elitism ? No, such things don't exist. But I don't want you to be a blind believer or follower. It's not so hard to see it. How ? Month after month the same faces : Talon, Kravenn, Keers, ... The same policies. The same mods in the forums punishing people. The same good people set apart ( Huey George) or with post of little importance ( Ayame), while the core of the government

Alphabethis Dan 1,826, 15:07

...(foreign affairs and treasury) are kept or follow the same policies. Moreover , you see old players ( from ESO and UKRP) flock together with old players of TUP. And then , you see a plethora of lower players from ESO or UKRP yelling and behaving as troll defending the priviliges, post and policies of those "elite".
But of course, you may have another interpretation. Just ask yourself this question: How would I become MoFA or CP ? If the answer is inapropiate, you are under a dictatorship.

Alphabethis Dan 1,826, 15:10

let me answer it: You can only possibly become MoFA by either joining TUP and/or undergoing a *long* process of "submission" where you're attitude and preferences are checked to be conforming to some people (Keers , DAn,...), with no possible own personal election at the matter. Do you like to be a puppet? Do you want to play other people's game ?

Lord Lewis Cromwell
Lord Lewis Cromwell Dan 1,826, 16:35

I know there's words there but I'm pretty sure the above three comments are just the same stuff that Alphabemato's been saying for the past couple months out of meaningless spite and so like everyone else I'll skim over them.

If eRepublik had a crazy soap-box corner, this guy would be hogging it in his pyjamas with tissue boxes on his feet. Ask for evidence and get Alpha's normal ranting which just saps away any credibility anyone associating with him has - Alphablahblahthis

Madacaion Dan 1,826, 18:27

There are many different ways to play this game,

You broadly have: Order, Free-form and a bit of both. Throw on top of that your desired amount of role playing within the game and you have a good number of permutations.

Stick around and listen to people who talk in facts, numbers, policies and politely. Remember to read everything with a pinch of salt - and think about the motives of those who are posting it. No-one can make up your mind for you, but just stay open-minded.

Madacaion Dan 1,826, 18:30

P.s. Alpha: I've been vPP of UKRP and i'm currently the PM. I'm 6 months old.

I didn't have to go through any weird ascension rituals - nor did I have to sign any form of legal document stating my views.

All I did was work hard, put the eUK first and take in arguments from both sides - then make my mind up. If you feel like that is a dictatorship then you are sadly mistaken.

Jacen Molare
Jacen Molare Dan 1,826, 19:21

I like the fact Alphabethis asks you a question and then goes on to answer for ya! And yet he accuses others of perpetrating a dictatorship!

Send love to Plato
Send love to Plato Dan 1,827, 23:36

PM of a dead party that needs TUP mouth to mouth...hows that for facts ; )

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde Dan 1,827, 00:08

Actually he meant PM of the country Ser Hugh. Check his title : )

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Dan 1,827, 00:59

Defining the problems between what appears to be two sides as purely 'Anti-TUP' is a TUPism.

The UKPP (and lately NE) side has basically pushed for a focus on in-game matters and making the nation a slightly more exciting place within which you can live your elife.

The contention is that TUP and her brothers care more for playing around on off-site areas, making up laws that have no effect and creating a RP system of governing the nation then actually playing the game.

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Dan 1,827, 01:01

Every other avenue of disagreement spring from those opposing philosophies be it citizenship, same oldfags in power or lack of development.

Spite313 Dan 1,827, 03:15

Without the off site stuff the game is pretty rubbish alfa.

Elvis Trout
Elvis Trout Dan 1,827, 03:26

How has TUP failed to make things fun in game? They've got us wars to fight, and weapons to fight with, and they've protected us from occupation. I don't agree with everything they do, but I don't see what they've done so wrong. And what's wrong with adding to the game and making communication easier by using a forum, EVERY OTHER GAME DOES IT

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Dan 1,827, 04:04

>"the game is pretty rubbish"

It's also that kind of negativity that is hard to swallow specially when its run out everytime something bad happens or something good fails to materialise.

"It's never our own faults but the game!"

Send love to Plato
Send love to Plato Dan 1,827, 04:06

''...and they've protected us from occupation''

The funny thing is a impeachment of an ESO CP was backed by numerous TUP senior figures and a reliance on Poland keeping us from being wiped was quoted as one of the reasons. And I think we can all agree that without Poland then we would be under French occupation.

Topher Fair
Topher Fair Dan 1,827, 05:39

Iain Keer's newspaper!

Alphabethis Dan 1,827, 06:43

Madacaion , you are not elite by any means, sorry.

Alphabethis Dan 1,827, 06:52

LLC, I've really loved that comment! soap-boxes! how funny! How have you been able to devise such an imaginative joke ?

Thedark ace
Thedark ace Dan 1,827, 12:43

Alfa, I hate to point it out, but you always go on the forums, and anything your party discusses (however rarely) you do on IRC. Which I hate to point out, but it's outside of this site 🙂

Also, Hugh, yeah it was a dead party, we're the first to admit it. You may have noticed it's better now, what with 2 top 5 articles, numbers up and general activity on the rise too. So, you are now up to date :}

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