The end of a dream.
Wallachian
I thought a lot if to write this article or not. What is the purpose anyway?. I thought, flippin` hell, I will just let it go because after all it`s just a game.
However something doesn`t feel right. I was always true to my heart when writing articles and when trying to make EDEN look like a living paradise. I truly believed in the EDEN cause hence all my propaganda articles written in the Voice of EDEN.
Comparing with our enemies, we were different. Sure we did plenty of mistakes but still we were driven by far more noble feelings than our enemies were.
I always took pride in the fact that EDEN was not like the others. When our enemies from Peace/Phoenix/ONE were doing the best to win, at the expensive of everything else; for me the fact that EDEN was a group of friends was the only thing what mattered.
Who cares about victories? What do you win anyway? Some pixels?
Well, for me the fact that I had friends to fight for was what made the game fun. It`s the community that makes a game great. It`s the one next to you that gives you weight, that mirrors back at you who you are and what you mean to the world. And I was fortunate to be in an alliance who truly stood for something.
I always looked at the neighbor, the greedy, corrupt, doing anything in order to win, betraying friends if they were too weak, ass-kissing enemies if they were too strong, and watched him failing try after try because he didn`t knew the secret: victory is for the one honest with both friends and enemies alike. So one by one, Peace, Phoenix, ONE failed.
What caused my discontent you ask? Well, last night eTurkey was invited to join EDEN.
From all the countries in the eWorld, EDEN invited in the most corrupt, the most untrustworthy and arrogant country there is. I`m not going to linger too much on why they are as they are. Everybody knows about the dozens presidents banned for multies, or about the multies farms they created in the EDEN countries in the past. Everybody knows about the bots they made to win wars unfairly or about how they DDoS-ed the Erepublik servers when their biggest tank Battalgazi was banned for breaching the Erepublik terms countless times. Everybody knows about the hacking of accounts and how they bought so many strong EDEN tanks. Everybody knows how they jumped from alliance to alliance and how they changed their friends as they seen fit.
Not even one country in Erepublik has a darker past than eTurkey. And is by far one of the oldest enemy EDEN had.
And still somehow a bunch of people thought they are EDEN material. Let`s talk about this for a bit. In full eTurkey - eIran conflict one influential EDEN guy decides, "Hmm what if I bring eTurkey in EDEN?" And thats what he did. He negotiated with the Turks and then he talked it out with an EDEN Adviser who presented the matter to the EDEN MC and the new intermarry EDEN SC. That was all it really was. 1 outsider and 3 EDEN HQ players made this whole thing possible.
Afterwards, a summit was called. (As a side note, the rest of the EDEN HQ was not even informed about this. Myself I had to make a fuss on the EDEN channel in order for people to wake up and see what was going on). The majority of the presidents were in favor of this move but they asked for 1 month for normalizing relationships followed by 3 months of trial membership, which is a pretty reasonable move from the CPs if you ask me. If that was to happen I would probably myself look at eTurkey with different eyes now.
However that didnt matter because this group, who was so determined to bring eTurkey in EDEN and defeat ONE by all means, went back to the Turks promising them only 1 month of trial membership, and even that done in secret.
So far so good, another summit was called and this time the presidents were asked to vote eTurkey in EDEN with one month of trial - trial which is not to include joining GEA (Garden of EDEN Alliance) - our new made branch. And why would they? After all, eTurkey is eTurkey. They are so much better than our current GEA members (Albania, India & Holland) or than all the other EDEN countries that had to go through trial in order to join. I guess the rules are different according to size...
The above paragraph by itself says it all about how much eTurkey cares about EDEN and about words like "brotherhood", "honor", "unity" and especially "sacrifice".
eTurkey joined EDEN with the sole purpose of fighting ONE. Nobody in there gives a rat`s ass about EDEN. Their reason for joining was simply because they were butthurt that ONE didn`t let them in for a whole year.
But I guess we should congratulate the Turks. eTurkey asked and a few EDEN guys provided.
So the summit was held and Turkey was voted in unanimity (there`s no other way) to join EDEN (plus the 1 month "discrete" trial membership). --> That as a sidenote for those who think that EDEN betrayed them. No, your own country presidents did 😉
Now the only reason why eTurkey was brought is the extra damage. Those who brought eTurkey in care about one thing only, to crush ONE completely. This is the sole advantage of having eTurkey in there. That doesn`t make them any different than ONE does it?
Lets take a look at the disadvantages shall we?
- the losing of the status EDEN had for more than 2 years of a "brotherhood" who fights for what is ethic and fair and who doesn`t trade it`s principles for the sake of victory
- creating turmoil inside the alliance by estranging large amounts of EDEN soldiers who felt cheated and sold out (me included)
- creating even more chaos inside a few countries that have RL issues with Turkey (Greece, Bulgaria, Israel especially)
- losing the "icon" status EDEN had among other alliances and making EDEN citizens lose motivation to fight for an alliance that is no better than the opposition.
- losing the respect of the smaller EDEN and GEA members who had to go through trial in order to join and seeing this rule doesn`t apply to a "big shark". We`re all equal but some are more equal than the others.
- risking breaking EDEN apart by "throwing" countries like Israel and Bulgaria into the "welcoming" hands of our enemy. I see the ONE diplomacy already started with propaganda and manipulation against those inside EDEN who are not content with this move
- risking breaking EDEN apart for the sole reason that eTurkey can create a group of friendly countries inside EDEN to do their bids.
- risking breaking EDEN apart by having eTurkey taking over the EDEN HQ and acting like they please considering the fact Turkey never really cared for alliances they were in.
And the list can go on. Indeed the extra damage on the battlefield is clearly more important than losing EDEN in the long run.
And now... Not much is left to say. I realize that the true spirit of EDEN died a long time ago and that we are not any different than the alliances we fought with all this time. How am I to go to a Polish and call him a backstabber? How am I to say to a Serb that he is that or the other? What ethical background do I have to do such when I see that my own alliance brought the biggest cheater in it. Of course that didnt stop some who after spat the Turks in the face now they go and kiss kiss and make up. Hypocrisy much?
As a note I realize this article could be regarded as offensive by Turks but in no way do I bring any real life interference, hence the use of eTurkey. In real life I dont have a problem with anybody. But in Erepublik eTurkey is by far the last country I ever wanted to join the alliance I was a member of. And I`m not overreacting when I say that I have more respect for our biggest all-time enemies eHungary and eSerbia than eTurkey.
Two months ago I published an article greeting EDEN for its 2 years celebration. I was hoping back then that there will be a third as well. Now thinking about it, even if it is one or not, it doesn`t matter anymore. The magic is lost...
In the end I would like to make it clear that I do not want to spoil the waters in any way for those who are in favor of eTurkey joining EDEN. We are all here to have fun the way we want to. They have the right to enjoy it just as much. And if 14 EDEN presidents voted in favor of eTurkey joining then there`s not much to say.
EDEN marches on but things will never be the same...
This is just the confession of an EDEN soldier who feels like he is too old for this New World.
Enjoy the game.
Comments
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the balance of power is being changed in our favor, lets not ruin it with drama... we are giving turkey a chance and that's all...
I hear you, the truth (my truth at least) is that when it comes to weighing up whether you want justice or success, 9 times out of 10 people will choose success. And that is not a bad thing, it is just our human nature. Quick example, why did eBulgaria join EDEN? Why is eTurkey against ONE now? Kind of the same issue. I know everyone's opinion of eTurkey is close to worst but, what can be done? It is a matter of these pixels you are referring to, yes, we all want to say 'I don't care about winning, I am here for the good friends'. But, no, that's not true for most of the players. They want more eMoney, more eInfluence, more eDamage, more eWeapons, more eRegions, etc...
We are all tribes who want to conquer new territories. If we have to sacrifice something in the way, so be it.
I'm also not in favor of this decision (eTurkey joining EDEN) but I understand the rational behind it. And as this is just a game, I don't really care that much. The show must go on...
Welcome in PEACE.
o7...
zmei gorianin +1
Zmei,
I feel the same. Like I said this article is just my opinion on how the whole situation developed. In the same way I think that everybody should enjoy the game as they see fit.
I myself dont see fighting side by side with Battalgazi. That is all. However best wishes to those who will.
My problem is that I feel like I dont belong in this game anymore.
EDEN gave me an identity and now it`s gone. I feel like in limbo.
35BeDvaDay 1,489, 02:33 the balance of power is being changed in our favor, lets not ruin it with drama... we are giving turkey a chance and that's all...
If Serbia now say: Ok,we want to join EDEN,what whould you say?
It's the same with eTurkey.
WE DON'T WANT THEM!!!
Respect your old ally,because we were with you when EDEN was struggling with ONE.
Why Romania and Hungary are not in one alliance?
Why Loland and Russia are not in one alliance?
Why FYROM and Greece are not in one alliance?
Why Serbia and Croatia are not in one alliance.
Respect us,as we respect you!
@wallachian. Really sad to see you writing this article 😑
Well written and some good points, mostly true.
However, I think our tanks have had enough of being an alliance who has to spend ridiculous amounts of rl money just so we can all stay on the map.
I am willing to wipe the slate clean and give eTurkey the same chance I would give any other potential ally. However if they f*ck us around then I'll be the first one calling for them to be kicked out of the brotherhood. And yes it is still a brotherhood bro, it doesn't cease to be one just because one more country wants to join. If that is the case then it never was a brotherhood to begin with.
I know this is not the tribune to say this but, here goes:
I was inactive for a large portion of 2011. Before I went to 'double-click mode' eBulgaria was in Phoenix, we were the good guys, we had 'natural' enemies in the face of Greece and Romania, we were the underdogs, political life was hectic (but fun). Then I came back, I found a completely different eSociety. I was very confused. eBulgaria had imperialistic thoughts (something next to insane in our Phoenix period). It took me a while to get used to our new brotherhood (funny, huh?) with Croatia and Romania. But in the end this episode thought me a lesson. It's not about betrayal. It's not about interest. It's all about balance. I imagine all of the events are part of a 'round scheme'. Sometimes you are at the top, next thing you know, the wheel turns and you find yourself at the bottom. Well, you can keep your dignity in the meantime and not sell/corrupt yourself, but that almost never happens, right?
For example: 'HAIL Bulgaria, HAIL Romania, HAIL EDEN', what is that if not an attempt to forget the past?
At least for me it is like that, things change. We might not like the change but it is the only constant in life.
Bedva what balance?Turks never fight against Hungary and never will.They fought against serbia and spain so nothing changed.
Irishboy
My country (eBulgaria) was with eTurkey in one alliance during the time of Phoenix.
We had a battle agains Bosnia for the region of Federation of Bosnia.
And for that battle turks fight for EDEN country Bosnia,not for the ally (us).
That is what they did and in ONE with the voting of Kosovo.
That is what they will do and with EDEN.
Can't you see the truth,dude?
there goes the self esteem. for some pixels.
sorry wallachian, this is too much baby crying for me. moreover, this is really a bad move from you, that are also in the eden hq.
@sofia
Like I said, they f*ck Bulgaria or any Eden member around and I want them out. Till that day I'll give them a chance.
Bulgaria is the powerhorse of EDEN, and they didnt even had a representative in the HQ.Yesterday Turkey is a cheatland, down with cheaters today turks are the biggest ally and true brothers of any EDEN country.Disgusting.
Mappina, I left the EDEN HQ already. I told Oles that in case Turkey joins he needs a new EDEN PR. The sole reason I came back in the HQ after what happened last summer was to help Octavius Julius.
He could have been the best SC EDEN ever had but unfortunately he was drafted in the military. I only remained because I thought the new SC will continue OJ`s reforms.
And whether you consider it "baby cry" or not, it`s your prerogative. It is my opinion and I have no reason to keep it hidden from the world, especially that during my PR mandate I was an advocate of transparency. EDEN must know the background of how Turkey joined our alliance.
Irishboy
As I said,they've betrayed us so many times and that's why we don't want them.
Understand that a country which is now occupied Romania and Israel don't have place in EDEN even for a test period.
There are a few things which need to be taken into account:
1. Bulgaria and Greece are allied for 4 - 5 months already with the Turks. The only nuance is those were the pro-EDEN Turks of Inci. Eventually, just like in the case of Bulgaria last year, the pro-EDEN Turks managed to convince the other Turkish players to side with EDEN and Terra;
2. Bulgaria and Greece have stopped fighting Turkey since summer. Both Bulgaria and Greece benefited from the gentlemen agreement they had with Turkey: Bulgaria built a colonial empire in the provinces previously held by Turkey and Greece had her hands free to deal with FYROM. During all that time Turkey stayed true to the agreements with Greece and Bulgaria, even though that had costed Turkey bonuses.
3. The public opinion in Bulgaria and in Greece is marginally _in favor_ of cooperating with Turkey. There is a strong current against Turkey in each of the two countries, but for now the dominant opinion is Turkey should be given a chance to prove her trustworthiness;
4. Turkey actually didn't betray ONE. It was ONE who always used Turkey without allowing her to join. In this respect the Turks were treated worse than how PEACE and Phoenix had treated Bulgaria.
@mihail.cazacu
Exactly my thoughts.
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3. The public opinion in Bulgaria and in Greece is marginally _in favor_ of cooperating with Turkey. There is a strong current against Turkey in each of the two countries, but for now the dominant opinion is Turkey should be given a chance to prove her trustworthiness
LIER!!!!!!!!
We will have poll and you even didn't the see results for Turkey in EDEN.
Don't lie the people.DON'T!
RL notwithstanding, what happened in Phoenix happened. However, Phoenix was the weaker alliance. EDEN as the stronger alliance now can make such battles between allies unnecessary
Sofia please cazacu know better everything about your country than you.Actually he know everything better.
sofia_8711, the poll and results were actually in slight favor of eTurkey joining EDEN. Why are you calling him liar then?
Wallachian the e-world is changing and it is hard but that doesn't mean it won't be for the best.give Turkey a chance
123 : Категорично НЕ!
24 : По-скоро НЕ, те не са ЕДЕН материал.
15 : Не ме интересува.
119 : По-скоро ДА, това ще помогне на съюза.
36 : Категорично ДА!
Are you sure,Zmei?!?!?!?!?!?!???!!??
Ernst von Jacob, in this particular case he is actually right, we had a poll and it turned slightly in favor for eTurkey. Otherwise, yeah, I don't accept outsiders claiming internal knowledge.
sofia_8711, let us count:
Absolutely NOT: 123
Rather not, they are not EDEN material: 24
Summary of AGAINST votes: 123+24 = 147
I don't care - 15 (neutral votes)
Rather yes, that will help the alliance - 119
Absolutely YES - 36
Summary of FOR votes: 119+36 = 155
So, yes, I am sure that the numbers do not lie.
Agree with Wallachian, but mihail.cazacu also sounds reasonable
can country change?
give Turkey a chance?
we'll see...
Istambul Delenda Est.
Dixi.
there is no other way.
Аt wallachian, there are some valid points, however for argument sake, giving a second chance is also "noble".
I myself do not care about the RL issues never have and have always spoken against them in general. I still have reservations about this, but am prepared to see if Turkey can change, the past they cannot do anything about, the future is in their hands. They have to convince the rest of us, that the past is behind. I'm not prepared to have them as allies until that has happened. If it happens, then nothing of the "moral high-ground" that you describe has changed, if it does not, then they will no be let to join.
It is after all a game, mistakes will be made, and people leave and new ones come, the history cannot be altered, so sooner or later each and every country will have instances in their history on the basis of which they can be dismissed as reliable, so giving a second chance is an essential part of the game if it is to continue to evolve.
LOL,Zmei you are such a good lier.
Rather not or rather yes is not NO and YES !!!
Stop lie,please!
This article is good only for dealing with medications for nerves. Let's play a game! Don't be racist or fascists towards each other.
In EDEN are all able to come and find protection and friends. eBulgaria was some time ago in a same position like eTurkey today. Betrayed from allies.... We greeted eBulgaria with a welcome back then as we greeted today eTurkey.
Let's give them a chance! If they fuck us, our revenge will be terrible. Maybe not today, maybe not even for one year. But it will be...
We promised that to eSpain and we fullfil that. We promised that to ePoland and the revenge is on the way. eTurkey be aware of that.
Now ppl, let's play!!!
sofia_8711, why do you want to make a decision based on purely emotional votes when this is a political, long-term choice, that has to be taken with consideration of all aspects. ABSOLUTELY YES and ABSOLUTELY NO are spontaneous votes, in the end, I'm sure there are a huge percentage of eBulgarians who are reaaaaally against eGreece and eRomania (most of the eLife was in belief eRomania were the eAntichrist), so what? Go back to Phoenix, even better when now eTurkey is not anywhere near there?
Why are you counting emotional, non-rational votes?
@zmei
why do you give attention to him, he's not worth anyone's time. A poll conducted with a Google doc, that cannot say weather 100 or 10 people filled has no bearing one way or another, not to mention that he is absolutely incompetent when it comes to reading and understanding qualitative questionnaires.
Just ignore him and let him make a fool of himself as usual.
@DarkAngel
I agree that only the future will tell but the damage has been done. Even if Turkey gets kicked out of EDEN, the stain will remain.
Also, like I said in the article - a one month testing and 3 months trial membership would have been fair for everybody. The way Turkey joined EDEN through the backdoor wasn`t.
what democracy has to do within a brotherhood?
Rational?
What is rational?
Letting our enemy Turkey who bettray us in Phoenix?
As i said :
Why Romania and Hungary are not in one alliance?
Why Loland and Russia are not in one alliance?
Why FYROM and Greece are not in one alliance?
Why Serbia and Croatia are not in one alliance?
Why always Bulgaria should tolerate other countries.
Why always we should let our enemies at our alliance.
Luckily we didn't make it with FYROM and I hope that we will not let it now with eTurkey!
sofia_8711, let me put it that way (I know it is unfair, but still):
If EDEN decides to let Turkey join the alliance.
And FYROM is in ONE.
What should we do? I'm just curious to know.
Neutral,deleted maybe,but standing on our word and our principles!!!
There is nothing more important than that in man's life!!!
Our word? Leaving an alliance is not against our word to never betray an ally? Don't you understand everything is so subjective...
I can explain why Romania and Hungary aren't part of the same alliance.
Romania and Hungary were allied in 2008. However this game has a tendency to attract some of the worst type of nationalists. When those guys started to play for Hungary, their first action was to troll the Romanian mass media.
The trolling wasn't enough to break the Romanian-Hungarian alliance. But those trolls were sworn to "avenge the historical injustices against Hungary" and in order to do that they invaded Slovakia. Slovakia was at that time allied with Romania, so the war broke.
For a long time the Hungarian aggression was mostly directed to "avenging" the "wrongs" done to Hungary by the weaker neighbors Austria and Slovakia. Then Slovakia came under Polish control and therefore untouchable. Romania therefore remained the only "traditional enemy".
(In case you wonder what happened in Real Life between Romania and Hungary, here's the short version: for 1000 years the Hungarians occupied and enslaved 1/3 of Romania. If you complain about 500 years of Turkish oppression, how does 1000 years look to you?!
Still, it's not the Romanians who want revenge on Hungary for those 1000 years. It's the Hungarian nationalists who cry for their lost empire)
Two months ago Romania gave Hungary a chance to normalize the relations by signing a Non-Aggression Pact and by releasing the Hungarian provinces Romania was occupying at that time. The Hungarians simply could not live happy without invading Romania one more time.
So the reason why Romania and Hungary can't normalize their relations is very simple: because the worst kind of people are dominating the politics of Hungary.
Those people are the problem. And the people who vote them in office.
mihail.cazacu, propaganda is a good thing in politics, but we all know the worst kind of people are dominating politics in every eCountry. Nacionalism and real-life issues are leading almost everything in this game. The trick is not to let hate be your energy but thirst for glory to lead you in everything. Prove your enemies wrong. Defeat them in battle. But do not hate them. Respect them. I say this to you, to the Hungarians, to the Turks, to the Serbs, to the Greek.
I want to defeat you all (yep, true story (: ) but I respect you!
EDEN never was the same after last year, I'm sorry you had to feel it on your own skin.
HAIL ONE!
@Zmei
Are you serious?
We would leave alliance because our word was not respected from the it.
Come ooon.
@Mihail
"So the reason why Romania and Hungary can't normalize their relations is very simple: because the worst kind of people are dominating the politics of Hungary. Those people"
Hahhahahah,yes and Romania is loving Hungary soooo much that love is the air.
My brother's wife in RL is from Cluj Napoca,I was there a lot of times and I know what romanians think about hungarians and their political party there.
So please tell those bul*shits to some other!
sofia_8711, 'betrayals' and 'shifts of power' are being done all the time. If we leave because our work is not respected we will end up with nowhere to go.
Also, if we dominate out word does that mean that we treat everyone as equals? If there is a vote in the alliance whether to accept Turkey or not, and the vote is 10 to 2 (only us and Greece votes against, this is all just hypothetical), we just leave the alliance?
Because were so cool? Because we are so loyal? Because we are so dignified? When the good of all is not good enough for us? We are special? What?
Your word has been respected, Sofia_8711
Contact your government for more details, please.