Thank you, Bulgarians in Norway!
T Cherub
Bulgarian version here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-1980915/1/20
First of all, an important rule of thumb:
Ignore the trolls, they are here only to make things worse - and kill angels.
I am vice CP of Norway, and I was not included on the summit help by EDEN HQ. The whole affair of Bulgaria vs Turkey is just another example of how this game can go sour when people works hard to put a bad spin on everything. Give Stakerauo a break, he surely doesn't know all the ins and outs of whatever is going on between Bulgarians who hate Turkey, and Turkeys who hate Bulgaria. I can barely keep myself up to date on the whole charade and drama myself.
Needless to say, but I guess it needs to be said; OBVIOUSLY we are thankful for the sacrifice by the loyal Bulgarians who came to Norway in order to stop the reckless PTOers (including LavBoris.PermBan). You came here to help the Norwegians on our terms, and for that we are forever grateful. Do not for a minute think that we are not grateful. Well, I can honestly only speak for myself. I am just 1 (yes, one) Norwegian player, and my statements is on me, and not every single player in Norway (even if I was CP).
As for the conflict between Bulgaria and Turkey (and EDEN), it is devastating to see this being used as a tool for the destruction of EDEN. I can only think of one group who wants to destroy EDEN over this, and that is the enemies of EDEN. Norwegians are far away from understanding your point of view. Norway was never occupied by Turkey 300 years ago, 1000 years ago or 20 years ago. Comparing that with the invasion of Germany is just stupid. We are in no position to either say "yea, it is fair that Bulgarians do not want or need to cooperate with Turkey", or say "come on, this is just a game. Don't be so childish". It has been said numerous times by a vast number of players in eRepublik. The day you start to mix real life conflicts with the game, you lose.
I've commented this elsewhere, and in my opinion the whole of eBulgaria needs to unite on one thing, either they will not cooperate with eTurkey at all, and let EDEN choose between them. Or go back to the table and live with having to deal with Turkey within EDEN. RIght now, I will chose Bulgaria over Turkey for their loyalty to EDEN and Norway. In my opinion that is fair against Bulgaria. I have nothing against Turkey, and I would stand in line to welcome them if that happens, but I feel obliged to respect Bulgarias choice in this matter. I might find their reasons for not including Turkey unbelievable, but that is hardly the point. Anyone who claims their point of view on this matter supersedes the Bulgarians point of view, they assume they are superior to Bulgarians both intellectually and emotionally. Get over yourselves - you aren't.
Having said that, I urge the Bulgarian players to remember this is merely a social online game. We are not playing this game to decide whether or not we agree on real life historical events, religious hatred, nationalism or whatever racism. Everyone are entitled to their opinion, but not everyone needs to have an opinion on everything.
Finally, just to remind everyone; I am thankful to the Bulgarian players who have over time been in Norway to help us in this game. I salute you!
Vice CP of Norway (last day)
Tommy / Cherub
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I truely support all of this!
Thank you for writing this, Tommy!
Tommy, thank you for taking out of your time to write this!
Please, also do not misunderstand us, Bulgarians. We do not EXPECT specific gratitude for anything we do. What we've done is only because we believe in Brotherhood. Playing this game from the position of hate and a constant desire for material gain gets boring very easily, because this is a social game. And we expect the same from everybody else. Sometimes we, unfortunately, are proven wrong. That's when it hurts the most.
A lot of non-bulgarians make the mistake of thinking our issue with Turkey is strictly on a racist and jingoistic grounds. Not true. If you only glance at the map, you will notice that if Turkey is our ally, Bulgaria has nowhere to go. We'll be restricted to fighting neverending wars with Serbia and FYROM. And there's nothing to gain from such wars. Since I was born in Erep in October 2011, we've never fought Turkey. We also count amongst our allies the MU Inci, which consists of primarily RL Turkish players. Heck, some of the most prominent Bulgarian players are RL Bulgarian Turks.
And this is how it got to the malfunctioning of the Brotherhood. As our CP said today, we have no problem with the fact we got reprimanded, because we know which rules we broke. We have a problem with the way it was done, in violation of the EDEN Charter, and denying the customary 24 hour notice and time for discussions.
Now you see how HQ WANTED folks like Stakerauo to be unprepaired.
But again, we love Norway and I, personally, don't regret for a second the time spent there.
Hail!
thank you for your kind words
о7
Our position is not the result of what happened many years ago. It is not connected with RL, but with the game. Emanuil13 explained the situation properly.
And yet I am disappointed by the YEAS-vote of your president and his excuse: lack of time to understand the situation.
This is why EDEN is great - and perhaps EDEN HQ needs a gentle reminder of this...
The Brotherhood of EDEN cares about each other. They are supportive of each other. They listen to each other. It is not to say that they always agree with each other... but rather that differing opinions are shared without harsh repercussions.
HAIL Norway!
HAIL Bulgaria!
HAIL Brotherhood of EDEN!
Hail Bulgaria!
Hail Norway!
Hail TEDEN!
I agree with Tommy
Cheers to Norway!
Very veeery Good article Tommy !
Tommy Skaue, you really are a true diplomat.
Since I started in eNorway back in November 2011, I saw how many eBulgarians came to help when we were PTO'd. That is the 2nd biggest reason why I became a citizen of eBulgaria (the 1st was resource bonus's and larger population to sell to 🙂 ). That is why it pissed me off to see that eNorway voted to suspend our rights as members of EDEN.
There seems to be many things that go on without the majority of citizens having knowledge. I am trying to become more involved in daily events, and there is a lot to take in. I will stand with Skaterauo for admitting that he voted the way he did because he did not put much thought into it. Consequences of this magnitude should not have been given to CP's to vote on without giving them the chance to fully understand the ramifications of what their vote meant.
Thanks Cherub.
MikeJV
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"Having said that, I urge the Bulgarian players to remember this is merely a social online game."
...if this is just a game, I urge all EDEN players not to try to win this game on each price, since adding turkey to EDEN is exactly this.
This is just a game, do not try to put RL here, EDEN, do not try to win no matter what !!!
thank you, you know you are great : )
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emanuil13's reason to not accept Turkey is very interesting. Lets see some EDEN countries and their possible enemies:
Romania: Serbia, Hungary
Croatia: Serbia, Slovenia
Bulgaria: Serbia, FYROM
I don't see even once romanians and croations talking about regions, bonuses or possible enemies. This list can be extended with italy, ukraine, bosnia, albania, etc, but i think you got my point.
And i have to add that, bulgarians never used this "possible targets" statement officialy, as they know what will be the result of this action.
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@ Tjutg Simzb No, sir. Don't get me wrong here. The reasons are many and if you really want to know them, please refer to the eBulgarian press from the last 3 months. There's only so much I can say in a comment. If you would like to know my whole entire point of view and you don't understand Bulgarian, please PM me and I will be happy to have a debate with you.
Of course, please also undestand that I am no politician, merely a journalist and a soldier.
If you like to have a better understanding, you can read this article: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/epistemology-of-a-veto-1972034/1/20
" I will chose Bulgaria over Turkey for their loyalty to EDEN and Norway."
Lazy try to clean his shit ass....
Tommy you can write in your articles good things about Bulgaria, but fact is that Stakerauo stabbed in the back Bulgaria.
HAIL NORWAY !
HAIL BULGARIA !
FAIL TURKEY !
FAIL STAKERAUO !
FAIL TOMMY !
Æ syns det e litt gøy korsen Lavern kommer med piss kvær gang han finn muligheta te det : D
Han lys rett og slett dagen min opp 😁
Ignore borislav, Stakerauo. He is just another pathetic troll nobody (important) listens too.
@ lavboris. When your group PTOed Norway you embargoed Bulgaria. Dont make a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have in this game.
You PTOers only care about yourself.
Don't worry, i have a complete understanding of bulgarian veto.
Your first argument is possible regions, so you value this subject most as we can see, and this makes you selfish and arrogant in the eyes of alliance. I don't mean to offend anybody, i am only stating facts.
o7
Ahahahah
Che Kukaken I will tell you once again.
That embargo didn't make any harm to Bulgaria, and we cannot say that for Stakerauo's act.
Ok Tommy I'm a trol, and you continue to ack like everything that you do is better than things that I can do. When are you going to finaly admit that you are incapable to run a country ???
You have destroyed Norway more than me.You ruin Norway in economy, population and military way and in the eyes of Norway's allies...
@ Lavboris. So why did you embargo Bulgaria then? Because you thougth it was fun?
And Stakerauo did a misstake in my opinion. That is true.
But you did lot of things as CP that wasnt a misstake. And you even got banned for it. What happened to the money you stole from eNorway BTW?
Tjutg Simzb Day 1,567, 01:01
"Don't worry, i have a complete understanding of bulgarian veto.
Your first argument is possible regions..."
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Perhaps if you have read the original article (this one is a responce to it) you would understand that we gave up the resources we had at that time and moved to eNorway to help our friends. Meanwhile you as pro-one country attacked another pro-one country (eIran) in order to take their resources.
You talk about selfish and arrogance? Really?
Che Kukaken
You are so stupid that i'm speechless ! I feel sorry for you.
We made TE to Bulgaria for the same reason that you made TE to Serbia. As i said that embargo didn't make any harm to Bulgaria !!!
I'm proud for my ban ! Because someone set me up!
And about that money, we spent it for fighting to liberate Norway.
YES VIKINZI ARE FIGHTING FOR NORWAY !
NOT FOR SWEDEN, NOT FOR DENMARK, NOT FOR FINLAND UNLIKE YOU WHO CALL YOUR SELF NORWEGIANS...
@Lavboris.
You only fight for ureself.
I dont think even ureself belive the BS ure writing down.
Nobody else does.
And ofcourse sombody set you up. I guess it was the CIA or Mossad.
No need to get personal Lavboris. It just a game. Chill.
LoL.... cheap propaganda
It is not personal. I know it is just a game.
And it is sad, that you showed how stupid you are even in game xD
Very good and intelligent article man! V + S.
@Lavboris: Comming from you, ill take that as a compliment. 🙂
If you think that it is a compliment when someone say to you that you are stupid, then i can tell you that every day xD
@Lavboris. Do as you like. I really dont care.
I more or less think the same: I do not agree with Bulgaria´s position, but we MUST respect it.
Thank you brother!!!
God bless you!🙂
Thank you for you're support!!!
o7 sir
o1
tottally support this thing. The game is not Real life.
Thank you Norway, very well said! We need more intelect in EDEN ... : )