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Being a member of an alliance is also responsibility not only privileges.

Lithuania has not put alliance battles as CoD at all this month yet it's battles have almost all the time been in the priorities. Missing most of the summits or coming late and disappearing early.

Zero coordination with the leadership of the alliance for battles NEs and so on.

Braking the charter of the alliance with signing an MPP with Poland after it as explicitly explained that it would be against the charter of the alliance to do so in a mass message to all CPs and a summit.

It has become fashionable for people to use the leadership of an alliance as an excuse and for some other alliances it might fly, but not in CoT. Everyone who wants to be involved can be, when one has little interest to be involved he cannot complain for not being involved.

Lithuania has not put alliance battles as CoD at all this month yet it's battles have almost all the time been in the priorities. Missing most of the summits or coming late and disappearing early.

First of all, we have put DO's for CoT. Secondly, our CP was not as active as he could have been, I know that.

Signing a MPP with Poland? They are one of our best friends, sorry, we will not leave them. We fought for them in Saxony and we will fight for them again, even if you don't understand or allow it. They are our friends. And we never leave our friends.


We weren't involved not because of lack of interest, but mainly due to in-activeness of players. For that I apoligise. But you know, we are in CoT, yet most of CoT members fight against us and TWO/ACT help us. Is this an alliance? I would call this nonsense. You push us to accept Russia and then you ignore their actions actions against our interests...

How do you expect someone to defend your interests when you're not there to present them in the first place, it is not the fault of the alliance if there has been low activity from your reps in it.

Turning around and blaming everyone else for that is absurd.

The moment Poland signed an MPP with Romania with the full knowledge that it ment a requirement fro all CoT countries to not renew their MPPs with Poland they didn't give a flying beep about your friendship.

BY the way they stated that it was in retaliation fro CoT countries keeping to the charter.

No one is asking you to stop being friends with Poland, fight for them is you wish, but do respect the charter of the alliance you applied to and got accepted to.

If you do not like that rule there are ways to go about it and propose a change or ultimately leave if you wich so and Poland > CoT. No one will judge you for that however you can't have pretentions to others while not respecting the charter yourself.

I don't see any reasons for CoT and Lithuania to blame each other. We have joined CoT as proTWO alliance and been good allies for CoT (until TWO issue). Now situation has changed dramatically. CoT's conflict with TWO and friendship with Russia leaves no other choice for us - we have to leave. Just because we have totally different direction from nowadays CoT. How we do it, is not so important. Sure, it would be nice to strictly follow the charter or leave alliance right away, but things like that are not done over night.
Generally, our partnership with CoT has been beneficial for both sides. I have nothing bad to say about CoT, and I don't think CoT has something bad to say about Lithuania. If it turns out that we take opposite sides in this game, so be it. But I don't see why should we blame each other and spoil years of sincere and successful cooperation.

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About MPP with Poland Stolch, not only we from CoT signed it. Dont know why, maybe lack of communication between countries, maybe not every single CP knows all points of alliance charter, its hard to say.

And ZygaLTU, the are people from both sides (CoT/TWO) who fought against, so stop single that out, cause both sides have mercenaries, both sides have mercenaries MU and they fight for those who pay.

Šarūnai, Ipsiart even counted people who fought for/against us (from top5 in each division) - you should have a look, because the countries that have the most negative relationship are from CoT (not counting EDEN)

So was against charter for Bulgaria to have MPP with Russia when we had war with Sveden

yea, you wrote it right.. sweden not russia, if Magnus accepted russia as trial member dont complain now

It was before that. And no one brought up the charter then. But yeah, it's Bulgaria, what can you do : )

No, since the MPP was in place before Lithuania started the war, by the way without consulting with the MC of CoT which it is required when starting a major campaign.

Not to mention that one cannot use the supposed transgressions of others for an excuse to do such transgressions themselves.

Well, becouse I was MoFA for that term, I remember we have talked with CoT officials about launching attack on Sveden : )

Soon after eRussia become trail member of CoT - the first thing they did was going to "training war" with eSweden. And by doing so ruining eLithuania all campaining. eSweden president in his article wrote that this training war is to help for eRussia achievements - yes, not even for ruining eLithuania campaining and so helping to defend eSweden, but asked by eRussia for "their porpuces".
If was wonderful provocation that incensed e-Lithuanians and set some of them on rampage. Some of them was angry shouting against eRussia and also even CoT. Russians even come here to our articles and made e-lithuanians furiuos even more by grinning about eLithuania situation of campaining, about eLithuania and CoT relationships - "who cares about you?" and making sugestions like: „We will join to CoT as full member, and you will leave. Any problems?“ It was provocation and i even bet that this went even with knowledge of CoT aliance "elite". Now you could say they not helping for CoT, they are even "anti-CoT" - it is no place for them in circle of trust.

So cut the crap, CoT "elite" already want eLithuania to leave by their own. I bet CoT "elite" wants eRussia and even skandinavian to join into CoT and here eLithuania becomes a burden for this. eLithuania after all this - definatly VETO eRussia and this will not be good for "true" CoT.
"CoT is Circle of Trust" and its charter declare that all its members voice and veto counts. By ignoring its own charter would be a huge name contamination as an alliance. So better to provoke eLithuania to make eLithiania leave by itself.

Even if CoT is not involved in this provocation - only eRussia, CoT shound't be suprised that after all provocation this month e-lithuanians is not so eager to help in CoT battles.

Tautas11, Magnus didnt use VETO, there were trolling from our side while fighting against swedes, there were articles trolling about us, about what help you talk past month? you cried for war you got war and hell yea, u cared only about your own war!

Sorry not understood so well that you have just written... so - pabandyk geriau rasyt lietuviskai.

Stoich,
You have mentioned, that CoT HQ were informed about Russia TW with Sweden, as well as about other foreign policy/military activities of Russia - this is natural as from candidate country to negotiate with about that. So my question - why CoT HQ, knowing this information did not send it to Lithuania CP or aMC, did not influence Russia to negotiate with Lithuania about that. Lithuania has about 2 months war with Sweden and CoT was fully informed about that. Fact, that a pair Swedish regions were lost by RW during Plato actions did not change situation principally - Lithuania still was interested to have war with Assgard until the end or at least when Assgard wants to negotiate and agree on peace. In my opinion, not exchanging such an important information with Lithuanian officials seems suspicious, especially after some Russian diplomatic activities, which took part last week. After all it doesn't seems like just a TW without no other reasons and intentions, but a way of political pressure on us in order that we will begin to implement warfare plans created by someone but without us. And not discussing with us about our plans, principles and interests. Yes, we should take into account not only our interests, but also our alliance interests, but does anyone tries to argue or to deny it? No. During all our membership period all the time Lithuania has fully respected priorities of the Alliance, and always helped for allies - no difference we were at war, or in peace.

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And when you blaming us on "no activity" or "no participation", perhaps you don't know, that during all these last months all Lithuania CoD's and DO have been placed according to the priorities of the Alliance with a few exceptions about our RW's and such event as RW in Saxony. And no more. If to talk about our CP/representative participation - ok, i agree that perhaps not in all CoT summits we participated. But from other side - are there summits the only form of communication and are there CP the only contact-person that you can reach? We have aMC, MoFa, MoDA, SC member, every month are renewing and sending you full information and details about all Government personal contacts? Did you try to use anybody except CP? Russian MoFa have no any problems to communicate our CP last week in spite of "inactivity", as you said. So perhaps the main problem is not inactivity only from Lithuania side, but also lack of initiative on communication from CoT side for the important questions to be discussed such as Russia-Sweden TW, because only Alliance HQ was informed about it. So don't you think that initiative of communication should belong to you? Why we electing responsible structures and persons to alliance HQ and paying membership fees? To have working just on some cases for some countries? Or for every member on any actual affair?

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Our dissatisfaction is not due to violations of the Alliance Charter from Russia, or from the Alliance HQ side. Our dissatisfaction is due to the recent week’s alliance policy which does not reflect the Alliance name - Circle of TRUST. Alliance HQ, trying to avoid veto to Russia membership in alliance during last summit found enough time and made great efforts to convince us that Russia is completely friendly country, and we will have no any misunderstandings in the future. Unfortunately misunderstandings (TW with Sweden which prevented Lithuania attack) started from the first days. The alliance's HQ did not find the time and good will to share information on planned TW, although it clearly violates the interests of Lithuania. When TW began, Alliance HQ did not mediate between Lithuania and Russia to resolve the misunderstanding. Instead, you have attempted to justify Russia's actions, on the ground that Russia started the war a few hours before it became a member of CoT. LOL...
You tried to lobby us to sign the Russia's proposal (!) to rent 1 region from Sweden, which we can occupy and keep without any rent. And moreover, by this proposal we have to commit to start a war with our recent allies. For what? Someone wants to split us with our friends? Why someone at our alliance is so carrying about Assgard interests, which is an enemy alliance, contrary to our interests? Or maybe after Russia is accepted to the COT, Assgard automatically becomes friends without any discussions inside? We are not only implementers of someone plans and interests, especially - when it comes from newbie in alliance and their interests are not raised for discussions, but we are placing the fact which violates our legitimate interests, and moreover we are receiving the conditions unacceptable to us. All this smells very unpalatable, seems to be back door games and double standards, which is unacceptable for us.

Hello Stolch , I would Like to ask you, If COT's allience is so friendly and ect, How come countries with fought against us been assigned as COT Member? For example Russia? ( Even the President Of Russia was fighting against Lithuania ) Meanwhile when Lithuania Was Having war with Sweden, Russia Helped Sweden and Now Russian's having TW with Sweden?
How you would like to explain that?
And Now we haven't got wall with Sweden because Russia is in COT and they took our way to Sweden, So Do something about it, Why do u judge us? but don't not judging Russia?
I would like explanation why is that okay 🙂 Thanks

Best Regards Hunteris200

Do something, well first your own government should do something, like going and talking about that with alliance, but the only thing they do is vegetate. So stop asking someone to do smth, when you dont do anything by yourself

yo lithuania didn't? What the fuck are you talking about... Most of our friends are in TWO. Why should we broke up with them? Because you want that? Fuck no! Lithuania don't have RW or battle? DO is always on CoT wars. Don't try to defend russia. Stop complain about Lithuania. All Russians saying: "We will join CoT and we will make you leave this alliance" And you do nothing? OMG... You such a whore.

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Komanda tai kieta, 90% savi 😁) Tikiuosi KM ministras bus Adolf.H, nes kai ministre buvo malfame - buvo tragiška kadencija, betvarkė. O ir šiaip... kiek mėnesiu būta KM darbuotoju - absoliutus pasyvumas.🙂 Tikėkimes komanda bus aktyvi. Nes matomai rinkti savekai, o ne norintys ir mokantys dirbti statomi..🙂

gal galetum ivardinti kas cia tokie yra mokantys ir norintys dirbti?

kas ieško tas randa. Kandidatai į prezidentus turi patys ieškot. Jeigu šiam kandidatui reikia - tegu kreipiasi... neverta komentaruose čia ofišuot, o tuo labiau kariaut komentaruose, nes jaučiu kokia lavina dar be taves užgrius už ale mano neteisingus pastebėjimus😁)

na taip, kaip sakant yra, bet nera.

tikrai yra. Aišku, tie, kurie nedirbo, nes prezidentas buvo ne jų - pradės dirbt, ir atvikščiai, bet tikrai yra žmonių. Pats iki šios dienos buvau KM ministras, su daug kuom bendrauju ir tikrai yra tų kurie nori bendraut. Net jei aš tikčiau - kas pakalbintu ir padėčiau ne tik darbais, savo projektais, bet ir ministerijos valdyme darbuotojų paieškoje. Be manes dar tokių tiek ir va tiek. Bet dėja, žmonės išrankūs, juk supranti apie ką aš... 🙂

Čia, bent jau iš dalies, Architektui pritarsiu - kam keist ministrą, jei dabartinis geras ir nenori pabėgt? : ) Dėl Malfame - nelabai ji laiko turi ir tiek, kiek spėja padaro. Adolfui tiktų pabūt KM, bet gal ne nuo ministro pradėt. O tai darbuotojai išsilakstys per kelias valandas ten, išsigandę jo : )

nu sita KM kadencija irgi nekazka nuveike? net trys nebaigti konkursai. isju vienas failas organizatorius, kitas tipo jau turejo prasideti bet irgi organizatorius kazkoks neapsisprendes neorganizuotas

Eik audito pasiskaityt - juk parašiau pats kad šūdina kadencija. labai šūdina. atsiprašau, visiems eLT piliečiams po kelis gold padalinsiu kad tik atleistu 🙂 Savo darbą atlikau. Buvo sunku rast darbuotojų, tad kas yra tas - gerai. svarbu išvis yra. Žmonės net neturintys laiko apsiimė man padėti, kai visa krūva šiknaskylių nesugebėjo piršto pajudinti mat ne tas, ne jų KM ministras, reik savo.. ką čia tas architektas ir t.t. Netgi pats nesutikai dėl kažkokių mistinių priežaisčių suorganizuot protmūšio. Matyt irgi dėl tos priežasties: netinkamas KM. Tai apie ką kalbam? 🙂

o tu manes asmeniskai snekinai? per trecia asmeny kalbi dar plius del mistiniu priezasciu ismetiai is kontaktu. kazko reikejo man is taves pasneketi ziuriu nesidalini informacija kontaktas tai pries ka sakydams man bezek savo veiksmus.. beto ir sitam menesy kazin protmusi leisiu nors ir paprasytu nes toks metas kad tyngiu kazka ir bedaryti savo laisvu laiku..

aš pilnai suprantu. Pats mažai to laiko turėjau, net dvikovoms ne kas vakarą laiko turiu. O emi mano viceKM buvo, tai paprašiau pagalbos kad suorganizuotumėt 🙂 nu žodžiu.. o kontaktuose neturėjau, tiksliau išmetęs iš kontaktų nuo tų laikų kai praradau acc, o kai aidimams nereikia kontaktų - tai šalinu🙂

vel skiedi kad prarades acc ismetiai .. dar kazkada senai emu id prasiau taves

Kalbant apie mano pasyvumą, Architektai, pasidomėk prieš kalbėdamas, seniau būdavau viena aktyviausių darbuotojų, o dabar taip - laiko tiesiog nebėra.

bet laiko kažkaip atsiranda kai savas CP??😁) aš nekalbu, jei nežinau faktų, o aš žinau daugiau negu tu išsivaizduoji.

KM ministrui NEREIKIA LAIKO, nebent pats kuri konkursus, organizuoji , spausdini ir t.t.

Pashoutini, parašinėji žmonėms, ir visi patys prisistato su savo projektais, belieka tik pasakyti "išspausdink, prizas bus toks ir toks, ai, dar štampą uždėk" ir VISKAS!!! Aš per šią kadenciją nieko nenuveikiau, tik kada prisijungęs visiems nurodinėjau kada ką daryti..
Darbuotojai patys viską daro, ministras patikrina ir atsiunčia litukus.
Jokio darbo čia nereikia, kam pust burbulą "laiko neturėjau..."
Jeigu tavimi patiki, ir pasiūlo būti ministru, tai turi apmąstyti tai ar turėsi suknisto laiko ar ne. Jeigu neplanuotai tai įvyksta - galų gale tam yra skirtas vice-KM, arba aplamai - surasti kitą, kuris nori ir gali dirbti, ir dar laiko turi, o tokių da.. ir biškį.

Aš irgi neturėjau laiko, bet aš stengiaus, nes man tai buvo įdomu, ir nenorėjau pavest manim tikėjusių žmonių. Stipriausias visos kadencijos projektas: Dj turnyras.. Jam reikia DAUUG laiko, pasiruošimo, reklamos, plius derintis su dalyviais... Vakarus atiduodu tam dalykui, kad tai vyktų nepriekaištingai, o po to ne miegot, o darbus daryti ką reikia pristatyti rytojui. Yra toks dalykas: žodžio žmogus.
P.S. Nuo vakar dienos klubas, klubo renginiai, esami ar būsimi nepriklauso KM.

Tiesa, kai reikdavo teminių vakarėliu laureatams išsiųsti varganus kelis tankus - tekdavo pačiam finansuoti (kartais zyga ar dar kas dalindavo), o po to audite gražiai rašoma ir klijuojama ministrui, ministerijai šauni etiketė... Juodą darbą atlieka TIK renginių organizatoriai... Dėkoti reikia jiems...

P.P.S. O kaip tai suprast? Netikėti likimo vingiai?
http://prntscr.com/13p5pd

Na, Architektai, nejau skaityt nemoki? Juodi ant balto parašyta, kad KM vadovaus malfame kartu su Adolf.H. Abu yra lygiateisiai ministerijos valdytojai, tad nesuprantu k očia tokį burbulą puti : )

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