Red October
Day 313, 04:18
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by Radsoc
Citizens of eSweden!
Democracy means the dictatorship of the majority. However, today in Flashback-Sweden, when it comes to economy, a minority rules a majority! The owning class with ties to the Flashback elite makes money on the fact that you work for them. You pay them and You create their profits. They decide how much you get from the work you've done and how much they get from you. Your wages are lower than what they could be. If we removed the amount of money that went to the private profiteer, we could put that money in your pockets instead. You get a bigger share of what you create by your own labour.
This can be done if you democratically control the company without any private owners. It's called economic democracy. This is a concept MSAP stands for. You and the rest of those who work in the company can take it over, kick out the oligarch and run the company yourselves with the help of the state. Of course this means you need a state that represents your interests and not the owners' like the current does.
This could mean everything from 10-50% more money in your pocket. Or similarly if the state, i.e. all citizens, owns a company you can vote the %-level that goes back to you and the %-level that goes to finance collective projects like the defence budget, healthcare (new hospitals) etc.
My suggestions about the future people's company scene in a democratic Sweden are:
Current ownership:
Active (Production)
Q4 Hospitals
Q1 Hospitals
Passive (Supply)
Q4 Vapen - Guns
Q3 Gåvor - Gifts
Q1 Flytt - Moving
New companies:
Food
Q1 Folkets Hörnbutik - People's General Store
Q2 Folkets Marknad - People's Market
Q3 Folkets Varuhus - People's Department Store
Q4 Systembolaget - The Liquor Store
Guns
Q2 Folkets Gevärsfabrik - People's Rifle Factory
Q4 Folkets Automatvapenfabrik - People's Machinegun Factory
Housing
Q1 Bostadsbolaget - The Housing Company
Q4 Folkets Bostäder - People's Houses
Moving
Q1 Folkets Järnvägar - People's Railroads
Q3 Folkets Flygbolag - People's Airlines
Gifts
Q1 Apoteket - The Pharmacy
Q2 Folkets Blommor - People's Flowers
All owned, planned and controlled by the new organization "Folket" consisting of citizen committees like Bostadsverket, Transportverket, Konsumtionsverket, Livsmedelsverket and Materielverket. Any citizen can be part of these.
Bostadsverket could for example make sure that all people have somewhere to live. Most people are homeless even though we live in one of the richest countries. This is a clear failure of the market economy and the pro-market FBS-rule. With all people having houses, we would have a much higher wellness and productivity.
With this model the people itself builds its own houses at prices affordable for all. The FBS wants to work "for a better Sweden". They've created a better Sweden for themselves and for the business owners (themselves). But I agree, let's all create a better eSweden! -without FBS. Let's create a better eSweden, without imperialism and exploitation. We in MSAP can make it better for those of you who work, not just for those who own!
Vote for a truly Red October!
Vote for change!
Vote for MSAP!
Democracy means the dictatorship of the majority. However, today in Flashback-Sweden, when it comes to economy, a minority rules a majority! The owning class with ties to the Flashback elite makes money on the fact that you work for them. You pay them and You create their profits. They decide how much you get from the work you've done and how much they get from you. Your wages are lower than what they could be. If we removed the amount of money that went to the private profiteer, we could put that money in your pockets instead. You get a bigger share of what you create by your own labour.
This can be done if you democratically control the company without any private owners. It's called economic democracy. This is a concept MSAP stands for. You and the rest of those who work in the company can take it over, kick out the oligarch and run the company yourselves with the help of the state. Of course this means you need a state that represents your interests and not the owners' like the current does.
This could mean everything from 10-50% more money in your pocket. Or similarly if the state, i.e. all citizens, owns a company you can vote the %-level that goes back to you and the %-level that goes to finance collective projects like the defence budget, healthcare (new hospitals) etc.
My suggestions about the future people's company scene in a democratic Sweden are:
Current ownership:
Active (Production)
Q4 Hospitals
Q1 Hospitals
Passive (Supply)
Q4 Vapen - Guns
Q3 Gåvor - Gifts
Q1 Flytt - Moving
New companies:
Food
Q1 Folkets Hörnbutik - People's General Store
Q2 Folkets Marknad - People's Market
Q3 Folkets Varuhus - People's Department Store
Q4 Systembolaget - The Liquor Store
Guns
Q2 Folkets Gevärsfabrik - People's Rifle Factory
Q4 Folkets Automatvapenfabrik - People's Machinegun Factory
Housing
Q1 Bostadsbolaget - The Housing Company
Q4 Folkets Bostäder - People's Houses
Moving
Q1 Folkets Järnvägar - People's Railroads
Q3 Folkets Flygbolag - People's Airlines
Gifts
Q1 Apoteket - The Pharmacy
Q2 Folkets Blommor - People's Flowers
All owned, planned and controlled by the new organization "Folket" consisting of citizen committees like Bostadsverket, Transportverket, Konsumtionsverket, Livsmedelsverket and Materielverket. Any citizen can be part of these.
Bostadsverket could for example make sure that all people have somewhere to live. Most people are homeless even though we live in one of the richest countries. This is a clear failure of the market economy and the pro-market FBS-rule. With all people having houses, we would have a much higher wellness and productivity.
With this model the people itself builds its own houses at prices affordable for all. The FBS wants to work "for a better Sweden". They've created a better Sweden for themselves and for the business owners (themselves). But I agree, let's all create a better eSweden! -without FBS. Let's create a better eSweden, without imperialism and exploitation. We in MSAP can make it better for those of you who work, not just for those who own!
Vote for a truly Red October!
Vote for change!
Vote for MSAP!
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Interesting, it seems to be a kind of coop organization but remind me more a nacionalized industry. I will keep an eye in this project
Yay vote for democracy and the dissolution of the state 🙂
The FBS elite is rich, yes, but you know why? B cuz they know economy and they want to pass it on to the newborns. With your system everybody gonna be like you: poor, with way to much work hanging over the head.
Toothpaste, FBS
So in your eyes the economy runs entirely on supply and completely ignores demand?
That puts you and Ayn Rand together!
Where do I state that the economy runs entirely on supply?
Grev Per, I thought you were a socialist.
Radsoc, by applying the Marxist theory of Surplus value. Determining that prices are a product of capitalists taking the labor-value of the workers. The theory which is the entire underpinning of marxist dialect and analysis. However prices are also determined by demand, and this demand can necessitate no profits for companies. The real difference, and the reason why people don\'t care, but cared in 19th century industrial nations, is that there is no alienation happening. None whatsoever. They don\'t actually work. They click. And an exchange is made. The workers skill goes up, his health goes down, and money enters his account. In return production occurs. But the workers\' production is useless if he is by himself.
Botherme, as a teenager I was a socialist. In Erepublik I am a nationalist by necessity, and in real life it\'s none of your business. 😛
Hey Radsoc the people of FBS or me invested money to create the companies...I for instance took a loan to start by first business. Your kind of economy is against the nature of ppl they need competition changes and investments. You idea seems (in my eyes) reduces the action/reponse that makes economy interesting. Some questions to you:
-> Do you believe your companies are more competetive than the ones right now?
-> Do you think the GM\'s will be more active in your system?
-> What happens in a crisis (will the worker reduce their wages)?
-> who will pay/safe the money for upgrade and export licenses? Will you be fast enough to compete with foreign companies working with the \"old\" economy?
I don\'t understand why the socialist movements haven\'t created democratic companies to compete along side the tyrannical CEO forms. This is how the NEP worked in the beginning of the USSR for example.
Hey Tjabo (Carl XVI Gustaf), the money you borrowed was created through the labour of many workers. Isn\'t it time you pay it back?
Grev Per, in this article I haven\'t discussed prices at all apart from those of the houses. The state can subsidize housing .But yes, in a market economy the prices are based on supply and demand. In a planned economy you can set prices in any way you want. Even if there is no real alienation here, I\'m sure people are interested in earning more money by working for themselves and society and not some private owner.
Kalle 16, of course people have to invest in order to create a company. This type of people\'s companies will naturally not be interesting for the current company owners, but for those who don\'t own it\'s another story.
I believe that the people\'s companies are way more competetive than the current companies. There will be less fragmentation on the market which means that there will be higher production as the productivity algorithm favours companies having many employees. In people\'s companies there\'s no need for profit, so either the wages or prices are lower. I also think that people like to work form thelselves and society rather than for some private owner. It will crash the profitibility of private companies, and if that isn\'t enough I think a huge tax can be introduced which would eliminate most private companies. State companies would naturally be refunded and can work on as usual.
The GMs are naturally active like they are now in the current state or worker owned companies. Every GM will be an SO and controlled by a forum citizen committee.
I don\'t think there will be any crises because the economy will be planned and self-sufficient. It\'s far from a casino economy. But if there are any it\'s up to the citizens to decide what to do depending on the situation.
The state will pay for companies, upgrades and licenses. Competing with foreign companies won\'t be a problem.
Grev Per, there is one MSAP Solidaritetsmat. But apart from that there\'s no funding for that kind of things. And it\'s no solution to the problem.
Desdichado, I took the risk to start a company and there haven\'t been always good times. An I also spent a lot of time in balancing wages, adapting prices, exploring markets and opportunities, calculating ideas, struggeling with taxes and talks to other GM\'s, minister and costumers.
So I think exactly this way of commitment i did is what makes the difference. Everybody can do the same and start a company, everybody has the chance to get rich - to take the money from the people that earned it would be a wrong idea that forces fear and not security which is needed for a stable country economy.
BTW: GM\'s try to fit the needs of the people and the best GM is that one that makes the most out of the available resources...if there is no real competition, the economy would become ineffective.
just my views...and Desdichado I have paid my loan back to the people long time ago.
- Allocation of resources will be a problem
- trade with foreign nation (which is needed because we have not all resources)
- andall current GM\'s would take their gold to other countries and invest their to make profits which will be a big lost of the swedish economy
Do you really believe a GM that is in my eyes high skilled and experienced will let lead his company by people that have no clue about running a company? They will leave the country sooner or later and so you will also suffer from brain drain.
Carl, of course it will a problem. But it\'s also a challenge. GMs will be elected though people\'s counsils and import/export will be supported by the government. You can create very favourable prices in a planned economy. The third problem is exactly what is wrong with the capitalist society. Nobody cares for anybody except themselves. If we had workers managing companies, and CEOs who signed contracts, this wouldn\'t be a problem.
As for the competition, the GMs would have to work efficiently, otherwise they get thrown out of power. This will create a form of \"internal\" competition (I had no better term to describe it)
What you say about capital leaving the country is true. But it\'s their money, they\'ve taken legally so they can do what they want with it. What matters is the money in the state (which is also privatized, 3 people took all gold).
If you think there\'s much work being a GM, hire someone else to make the work for you. Nobody forces you, as you have the money and thus the freedom to decide what to do.
Brain drain is also true but that\'s related to real countries like Cuba, East Germany etc.
ok but what would you do with the current companies if you have the power in Sweden? Would you ruin them by high taxes and subsidies for the people companies? If yes then you are going to destroy legally owned privat gold in form of companies which is not much better than disseizin.
According to the economic programme of MSAP there would be high taxes and then subsidies for people\'s companies. Private companies would have to enter an idle state (if the owners don\'t want to sell their companies.)
Ha I really *really* really really do not want to see an MSAP government while I live in this nation.
I think you would. Who else would make Denmark free again?
Hey Tjabo (Carl XVI Gustaf), why all the stress and fuss connected with running a company by yourself when you have a whole workforce to aid you? With MSAP running the country, you never have to be alone in your office again!
Radsoc, every party in Sweden except Purjoløk, FBS just wants us to have 1 region. Both DNS and NLGS support a free Denmark as well as MSAP.
Since this discussion is not for real life, I can only say that Erepublik is built in a way that makes it possible for everyone to have the same kind of possibilities from the beginning, and also, no person\'s possibilites will ever be oppressed. Considering this, socialism in Erepublik is nothing more but pure jealousy.