On the recent internal conflict
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by the tormented one
In speaking with length with several eSerbian players, they hace repeatedly said that they are here to help, and resent the notion that they are being treated as PTOers.
I think there is something very simple that they can do to silence people and earn trust.
They can do what they have promised when they are allowed in:
1. They should NOT influence any political decisions by the eJapan government or people of this community.
2. They should NOT participate in elections in eJapan.
3. All new immigrant application should be treated the same as everyone else.
4. We should all try harder to communicate and blend in.
Trust is build in 1000 days, but it can be destroy in a day. If these simple steps cannot be taken, the consequences will be very bad very quickly.
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Point 1 and 2 is just offensive to them and to everybody who respects democracy and personal rights.
This is just throwing fuel to the fire!
lol, when real Serbians meet fake Japaneses
if those people cant do what they agreed to, what credibility do they have?
Point 1 and 2 is how it works in RL Japan. More like you have no legal right to do so under the constitution. Just saying. (You must undergo 'Naturalization' before consideration is even made to accept you as a citizen and allow your participation in voting and political participation. With just that you are looking at at least a decade down the road.)
Anyways, I would've thought the greatest sign of 'Hey, we aren't PTOers' would be to return Sakurakai to its founders but... perhaps it's just too complicated to remove the source of the problem; ie. Power Take Over (of Sakurakai). *shrug*
@tarasino
Why is this offensive to them? They agreed to these terms when they were allowed in, isnt that true? It is not like we are changing the rule after they got in, and expecting them to abide by them. That would be wrong. But if these were the terms they agreed to, all they have to continue to honour their promise.
In term of democracy and personal right, again, they were allow in as a mercenary group if my sources are correct. They have repeatedly said they will not interfere with Japanese politics, or has no interest in becoming the president of this country.
I dont think you can treat them under the same as an individual citizen going through the process to get citizenship.
@h idenshi
i know that. And when "naturalization" is implemented in-game, we can talk about it. Until then, making empty threats and provoking them is not a good strategy.
@that 1
nobody knows to what terms they agreed to come in this country except Geezus and Koppanyi, who let them in. If you want to know ask them. The serbs have voted for the DNP for a long time now. I believe they have fulfilled their part of the agreement.
My eJapanese friends, please chose what do you want from us:
You want that we assimilate, and become eJapanese, you want that we start communicate, you want that we respect laws?
How we can be eJapanese if we are not allowed to be politician in our own country?
How to communicate when you constantly call us PTOer?
How can we respect laws when you didn't able to bring single one with majority of congres, single one isn't verified.
Start working for your eCountry properly, as you should all those months, years, and we will stand back, and stop pushing our political way.
You are to much inactive, and when someone comes to shake you up, you trow rocks on them.
You Impeach only president that ever attacked some country(because of pointless game by other eJapanese, guy was bored.) I am not saying that we must attack someone to prove the point, or forcing profile strenght as a major thing. Strenght of people mind is what we are asking, stop being static and stand up for yourselfs.
"Start working for your eCountry properly, as you should all those months, years, and we will stand back, and stop pushing our political way." Sorry veprina but.. by saying this you are basicly labeling yourself a PTOer.. on another side-note, eJapan is eJapan and not eSerbia. 2 way different eNations that are run in different ways, so don't come here and talk about "working for your eCountry properly".
Respect is all we need. By "we" it's all of us.
No, Hizaya, by saying this, i am unhappy citizen of eJapan.
You're basing yourself on "experience" from eSerbia, which has no home in eJapan.
@Veprina
You can have a voice in eJapan without Congresspeople, the Janissaires have perfectly grasped that concept. Why you guys can't is baffling.
"1. They should NOT influence any political decisions by the eJapan government or people of this community.
2. They should NOT participate in elections in eJapan."
Then, neither should any of us! Because nobody is really a Japanese here.
I'm not sure about 1) and 2). I'm reading the law:
Article 1 : The application form.
♦ Any new applicant shall apply on forum Application section where s/he will sign a contract where s/he promises not to run for election for the first month and stay for at least three months consequently to her/his approval.
♦ The applicant will be advised and signified that s/he owns no obligation to join any party of any congress member granting her/him citizenship.
♦ The applicant will have to provide the Minister of Security or its delegates with a mandatory money deposit.
Maybe it's old law? dunno, i found only this one on forum.
Oh, yeah, i'm not using forum, sorry :3
Btw, maybe you can tell me, how is it possible that you know for sure that ex-eSerbians vote and that ex-eTurks didn't vote?
No way that you ever know that for sure. But of course, it's easier to blame someone and to spit on him/her/it then to think a little and try to understand that we are equal.
@tarasino
"nobody knows to what terms they agreed to come in this country except Geezus and Koppanyi, who let them in. If you want to know ask them. The serbs have voted for the DNP for a long time now. I believe they have fulfilled their part of the agreement. "
the information I got is from heresay, but no one has disputed it. and our Serbian friends have repeatedly said that they will not interfere with our politics. So I think my information should be pretty close to the mark.
"My eJapanese friends, please chose what do you want from us:
You want that we assimilate, and become eJapanese, you want that we start communicate, you want that we respect laws?"
Veprina, what I want is having the same law and standard apply to all immigrants, if you are a merc coming in as a large group, then you should follow the rules given to other mercs. Otherwise, they are going to complain about it, and at the end, no one follows our rule and it is a real danger for a small country. If you are a citizen wanting to move to here on an individual baiss, then there should be another procedure to follow.
I came from eSK, and if I am biased, I would be biased for you guys because eSK and Serbia has been ally for a long time, and we help out each other. eSK not that long ago was PTO by a MU from Romania, and we make huge sacrifices to kick them out in 2 years. So, I can understand why so many Japanese are uncertain about you guys coming and your intentions. And I know there are some small things you can do to make people trust you.
This is something I think is good for everyone.
"How we can be eJapanese if we are not allowed to be politician in our own country?"
As Myung Kei said, the Turks are following the same rule, I dont see any problem. These rules are not harsh, and we are not the only country who have them. In eChina/eRoC, any foreigners (i.e. non Chinese speakers) who want to move to eChina and eRoC have to abide by similar agreement.
" How to communicate when you constantly call us PTOer?"
Let me see, the number of time I call you a PTOer is ...... 0. You can try google it if you want, but it would be a waste of time.
I judge you on your action, not your reputation.
" How can we respect laws when you didn't able to bring single one with majority of congres, single one isn't verified."
I believe you are talking about citizenship. Does it matter? My previous highest damage was for eJapan when I was still an eSK citizen whe they were fighting for independent. Do you really need the citizenship to help?
" Start working for your eCountry properly, as you should all those months, years, and we will stand back, and stop pushing our political way."
Are you saying if there is no change, you will take over? I can tell you now to stop you from wasting your time, it didnt work in eSK with that group of Romanians to try to change eSK, it wont work in eJapan.
The Romanians have said the same mean things about how terrible and inactive the Koreans there before and during the civil war, and they tried to take over. But all it achieved is turning a disagreement into a civil war. The Romanians didnt make eSK more active, or strong. Instead, it leave eSK so weak to allow the eRoC to beat them.
So instead of confrontations, you should choose cooperate. Did you say eJapan is inactive? How about come up with something to make it more active?
@SoFresh
The way I see it, you are a eJapanese if you join us in the appropiate channel.
@kowalski_afc
They are not old law, those are the law for individual to apply for citizenship, this is the way I have to go through to get the CS. You didnt apply for citizenship that way I believe.
that 1
Maybe you can answer my questions?
I didn't have any will or wish to become congressmen or CP in eJapan, but when i see how much you love us, i suppose that you will give me first vote. Rite? : )
"Btw, maybe you can tell me, how is it possible that you know for sure that ex-eSerbians vote and that ex-eTurks didn't vote?"
I dont know, but I dont have a problem with you voting. That wasnt the point I raised.
Obviously, I will be honest here, some people are concern that you will vote as a block so that you can extract favour from them (apparently this is the same when the Romanians did in eSK earlier on), I can only hope that you guys are better than that.
And instead of voting to gain better favour, I hope that you would vote for someone who is a better leader. Afterall, you guys said you are here to help, right?
Point 1 and 2 is just offensive to them and to everybody who respects democracy and personal rights.
This is just throwing fuel to the fire! +1
i see that u like us but please stop threating ex-serbs as the enemy
btw If we are talking here about romulans and SK
Here is my contribution and help for SK at that time...
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/od-srbije-za-narod-ju-ne-koreje-o7-1899630/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/akcija-uspe-scaron-no-okon-ana--1901241/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mofa-gift-from-eserbia-1901162/1/20
LOL, guys let's calm down. If you were support me when i was trying to make a deal with Nikola about SKK party, there won't be Serbian people who some calling as PTOer. 😁
@that1
I will keep my vote this time. So, this month, you (or anyone else) won't get my vote as it is by rules. After the month pass, i will vote for the person for who i think it will be the best leader. Who will be that, it will stay my secret.
Therefore you are trying all the time to make us "PTOers", you should know something more. But, obviously, you don't know even as a person who is current ambassador to eRoC and involved in international affairs more then me.
Hint: take a look at some other articles from TOP 5 and comments there. Then, come back, send me igm and i'll answer you when you find out what you should find out.
Until then, take care : )