No turkeys in the Garden of Eden
Wallachian
I just found out Turkey has been vetoed from joining EDEN. I am glad that an EDEN country has found the courage and determination to speak out loud what they want leaving aside the manipulation and pressure most likely they had to endure.
Congratulations Bulgaria. You are one of the few who didn`t give in to whoring for the extra damage. Congratulations to Canada and Ireland as well who, if I`m not mistaken, have also voted against Turkey joining our alliance.
All is not lost. EDEN was just a step away from losing everything it accomplished for the past two years. A few careless EDEN "good ole boys" who care more about their positions than about the people they represent in the EDEN HQ were ready to sell their assess to the Turks just to win a few battles. They promised Turkey they will join right away. (I was even told to prepare a "Welcome Turkey in EDEN" article even before the summit LMAO) Then because the EDEN country presidents didn`t agree to the idea, they went back and promised the Turks one month trial, which by itself was a mockery of the whole joining process and disrespectful towards any country that ever joined EDEN and who had to go through at least 3 months of trial!
But what can you expect from an illegitimate HQ? At the beginning of December, because the elected SC Octavius Julius had to resign due to RL reasons, a summit was called and an interim SC (Oles) was voted. It was specified during the summit that his mandate was interim and that it will end with the end of Octavius Julius`s mandate. New elections should have been called for at the beginning of January. However they were not. When I asked what was going on I was told that somehow Oles`s interim mandate has become a full 2 months one. Nice....
I wonder, did the country presidents knew about it? I look at the list with the EDEN HQ from the start of November and I see more than half of its members have resigned and they were replaced. Somehow Iaswn has become Assistant Supreme Commander even if no Country President voted him in that position.
Can anybody say that EDEN is currently ruled by a legitimate HQ? No. It`s the same "advisers" changing places between each other, the same "advisers" who tried to shove Turkey down our throats without giving a s*** what the people want. They tried to sneak Turkey in somehow, threatening country representatives that dared to vote against.
Soon there will be new HQ elections. I can bet your ass we will see the same people pulling strings in the EDEN HQ. The reasons are quite simple. The EDEN Treaty is ambiguous and outdated. Elections are unannounced and so they take place pretty much in secret. Only 2-3 people candidate for the position of EDEN SC and then citizens are announced in the Voice of EDEN about who will represent them for the next mandate. (That if they are announced at all)
EDEN is ruled by an oligarchy, many of which are unmotivated and not very active. The only thing that works all right in EDEN is at the military chapter. We somehow manage to win more battles than the enemy. Not because we are better but because the enemy is stronger, more arrogant and greedy, and forces us to stay united.
Until a month ago even this group of EDEN oligarchs managed to do a pretty good job, if you count survival as "good job". Somehow a month ago the same oligarchs made a big mistake which threatened the sheer existence of our alliance. Zdlemmy and a few of his puppets tried to force feed us some turkey meat. They didn`t give a faq (frequently asked question - in case you`re wondering) about the rest of us. Not even the EDEN HQ was informed about this crap. They were ready to even sacrifice one or more EDEN countries just to have the Turkish damage in. And now you know why the EDEN oligarchy failed. Because just as one man (or a few) can ensure a good leadership, just the same one idiot can destroy us all.
For as long as EDEN is ruled by a "happy few" and doesn`t have a real leadership sustained by popular support, EDEN will always walk on thin ice. What if another "adviser" decide he wants Serbia in EDEN? What if he won`t give a damn that the Croats might not like the idea? Who cares ey? It`s all for the extra damage baby!
I won`t waste too much time on Turkey. A country that insists to cut corners and join an alliance is not a country to be respected. Since the beginning they acted like they are so much better than everybody else. Somehow the rules had to be bend in order to have them here. I have no respect for that. Do they even know what an alliance stands for? Do they even gave a damn about EDEN? No they didn`t. They only care about themselves and the fact that they tried to negotiate joining EDEN like they were in the Istanbul bazaar is enough proof to that. Also considering that you can count the countries that like them on one hand`s fingers it`s another proof.
Once again congratulations to Bulgaria, Canada and Ireland. It looks like every other country in EDEN was ready to bend over and take it in deep for a chance to win some battles. Shame on them.
But to a degree is understandable. We the old fagz who remember the old Turkey, the DDoS attacks, the multifarms and bots, the hacking and stealing of accounts, the filling up of Turkey treasury with multi gold just to have Battalgazi win battles in V1 AGAINST EDEN, are getting less and less. Those who supported Turkey joining EDEN are mostly newly created accounts, those who are a few months old, or one year old, those who don`t know the history.
Thing is if you forget the history it will come bite your ass off. And that is what happened now.
Turkey not joining EDEN doesn`t change that much. The shame is there still. Somehow EDEN is not the eternal, moral, "goody" alliance some of us had faith in. Turkey not joining ensured that we are still the ones who didn`t betray our brothers for the sake of victory, who didn't sacrifice our smaller countries for the sake of extra damage. No way can we compare EDEN with the bad smell coming from the sewer named ONE. Somehow we managed to survive and to still have some dignity left. But we were very close to lose everything. Only because of a few people who think they are so much better than everybody else.
Anyway I`m a bit far off from reaching a conclusion regarding the survival of an alliance in a game that seems to be dying bit by bit. In case things don`t change, this whole New World will enter Eden soon enough.
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If this is true, then Turkey will simply join Terra. That is the benefit of having a propaganda "brotherhood" alliance, and a slave alliance where you can send the second class countries.
True!
Keep doing!
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"in a game that seems to be dying bit by bit"
Actually, from the info I have (which might be wrong of course), the game is doing very well financially. Just looking through the top fighter list kind of approves this theory.
And as long as the money will keep poring in, the site will stay on-line. As long as the site stays online, erep meetings will happen. As long as erep meetings happen, people in the countries that are the cornerstone of the game will keep playing. Simple as that.
if Bulgaria has done this, it seems that comun sense is lost there.
Bulgaria has a long time peace with Turkey, but vetoes them enetring EDEN?
Turkey has provem to be a good ally
wallachian, your common sense is completely lost, if you never had one.
Clawy,
Not sure for how long the money will keep poring in. I don`t see the community growing and if I`m not mistaken it`s mostly the big tanks who invest large amounts of money in this game. When they will get bored then there`s trouble.
The problem I see is the decrease of community interest for the social part of the game. Alliances are less important than they were 2 years ago. ONE is dead. EDEN is far from the alliance it used to be.
The new changes made by the admins are more inclined towards individual development than collective, and so on.
So even if in the short run it`s going ok, nobody can offer guarantees it will keep the same trend in the long run.
Mappina, luckily you have enough common sense for all of us. I myself am greatful to have you among us and save the appearances. What would the world do without common sense people like you??
@Wallachian
ONE is now dead as EDEN was 1 year ago : )
Also Bulgaria, Canada and Ireland vetoed Turkey for now but what will happen when next voting time comes?
Turkey got its tittle as a faithfull country in most of EDEN countries.....
inspiring)
Well, V1 is dead and buried. EDEN definitely changed. We can all see that. We all had our "quarrels" with other allied countries and that's far from over. 😛
@Darkslowstar: It's been cca. 1 month. Things don't happen over night. Agreed that Turkey fought for EDEN, but mostly against Serbia and FYR Macedonia. Does that mean they wanted the greater good for the alliance? Or for themselves?
Take a hypothetical case: Hungary signs a NAP with Romania and actually respects it. Hungary wants to join the alliance Romania is in because of reason A, B, C etc. Would Romania agree to this? Considering the fact that the majority of the Romanian population votes against it?
And yes, people bring RL stuff into this game. People still hold grudges. RL or otherwise.
ONE is not dead btw. They just have to learn to work together. :😁
Those are some wise words, my friend.
I truely hope Eden hq will listen to these, and will start with some transparency and real democracy!
I don't really like the title, but I got to agree with the content 😒
Voted and as always... great article!
the awful truth
Turkey has proven to be a good ally
Turkey has proven to be forever alone and traitors. Now, when they aren't in any alliance, they will betray themselves.
Nice point of view. But who cares?
(as long as the alliance wins)
Gabriel Ioan Martin, if Romania and Hungary manage to keep the peace 8-9 months as Turkey and Bulgaria did, yes, but our peace treaty lasted no more then 10 days. So you see, its a big difference
That's why I said "and actually respects it...". Say it's been 6 months already. That'd be kind of the same thing.
@ExZilYon,
I think Turkey would stand a better chance of joining EDEN if they respected us, 3 months trial membership, no bargaining about the entering conditions like they were some jewel, which they are obviously not.
So if one day they decide to join EDEN for truly wanting to be here and NOT because nobody else wants them lol then maybe the people will give them a chance. Somehow I doubt that will happen. They only became pro-EDEN in the moment Iran joined ONE. Basically their move was an "in your face" towards ONE. I don`t call that EDEN material.
@S.Ribeiro,
Indeed the title is a bit inappropriate, especially for vegetarians xD
I`ll see about changing it.
Lika i always say:
If i must choose between Bulgaria and Turkey, then be Bulgaria ofcourse. Always be Bulgaria.
But Turkey prove to be good ally and friend. If Turkey no enter in EDEN, we still can be friends with Turkey and cooperate with him.
Brazil and USA is not in EDEN, but we still are great friends :😁
So, if Bulgaria realy don't want Turkey, i think we must respect this, maybe this not fair, because all other members want Turkey, but, we must respect this. Bulgaria is member of EDEN, brother, and we must respect this decision, no metter how hard is it.
But, Bulgaria must remember this, this is very, very big compromise from EDEN for Bulgaria....I hope to never be again problem like this, from anyone, Bulgaria or any EDEN country..
And, i want say one thing::
HAIL GREECE!! You are really great country. You are prove to EDEN interest before interest your own country. We all can learn from you many things.
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I'm just too cool to care
Turkey proved to be a good ally.
Bulgaria proved to care more about themselves.
Greeks proved to care more about others.
Croats proved to be the best.
We proved ... nothing.
@Wallachian: "So if one day they decide to join EDEN for truly wanting to be here and NOT because nobody else wants them (...) then maybe the people will give them a chance. (...) They only became pro-EDEN in the moment Iran joined ONE. Basically their move was an "in your face" towards ONE. I don`t call that EDEN material." - absolutely agree.
Nevertheless, you can't deny that eTurkey has kept its part of the bargain, being loyal and sticking to its agreements. Not even the eBulgarians can deny this. And you can't keep sticking to an old pattern of thought indefinitely. Dozens of ecitizen join eTurkey every day, and this might change eTurkey's structure of power. You have to look at both what happened in the past and what's happening now.
@Fabius
"But, Bulgaria must remember this, this is very, very big compromise from EDEN for Bulgaria..."
Really? Respecting the right Bulgaria has granted by the EDEN charter is a big compromise by EDEN for Bulgaria?
oboj +1
"Those who supported Turkey joining EDEN are mostly newly created accounts, those who are a few months old, or one year old, those who don`t know the history."
yes,.. I'm young account
only 1370 days
@Fabius,
Once a country joins EDEN, their rights are infallible. They can veto any country joining EDEN as they please. This is the difference between EDEN and every other alliance Erepublik gave birth to.
If Serbia (the strongest Erepublik country) was trialling for membership, our smallest member Norway could veto them and be legitimate about it. And why wouldnt that be? Are we equal or not?
@Oboj,
I disagree in regard with BG. I admire them the most from every other EDEN countries. They are currently fighting Serbia to prove their bond with EDEN even after all the Serbian asskissing and the NAP they had.
@Florin,
So let`s close our eyes to what Turkey stood for just because they are strong and getting stronger. That is the definition of whoring around. You sound like a ONE citizen.
Then what`s the point in fighting anybody anymore given the fact that the next generation of players will forget all the crap their "forefathers" had to endure and kiss kiss with the enemy? In which case there will soon be no EDEN because every country will do as they please, ally who they want and fight who they want.
@Overk,
Well people say you`re a n00b, but I don`t know you so I cannot say they are right or wrong.
Anyway I said "mostly new created accounts" so you better reread that just in case you don`t want to prove their point.
@Wallachian
Sorry to interfere in your conversation, but I think it's funny what you have just said to ExZilYon.
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What do you mean by respect? Bargaining ALWAYS needs two people: one who asks a price and another who will eventually pay it. Turkey asked (as a good old Romanian proverb says) all the seas and all the salt inside. That is correct for someone who learned to negotiate in a bazaar.
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But don't forget, that there was someone who accepted them in EDEN.
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I mean you guys admit: you grew a frustration from ONE achieving all their goals. And it's not me saying this, you have written it in your article. Admit: there is nothing more than frustration that drives EDEN: there is nothing gained, all is just taken away.
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This applies to Romper who believed deleting Poland is a goal worth spending millions, and all ye guys out there thinking that deleting your enemies one by one would change anything in this game.
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Bad news is: for EDEN there is nothing more to achieve, but to randomly delete UK/Iran/Hungary/Serbia/Poland/Spain again and again. New bonuses for your countries? Goals for allies? Look on any T/EDEN country on the world map and switch to MPP view. Ain't that a nightmare? What will you do, if you have the whole world on your side?.
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To return to my point: maybe turks are bazaarish.
But guys upthere in EDEN HQ have been (how to say it?) a bit too "touristish" too.
I mean noone with a bit of wit will buy anything in a bazaar for the price the seller asks for.
Correct article. You have a generation of leaders who were rising in the era of ONE's domination, when their country got deleted every second week. They want to make a difference, and they want to take revenge. When they first felt that they found the pretty obvious way to victories, they got carried away by the promise of their dream coming true. : ) And they are risking more and more. The same happened at the creation of ONE. If the community will start to grow or remain at this level this will eventually lead to the end of EDEN in 8 month-1 year, technically or formally.
Xongorx,
I blamed both EDEN & Turkey guys who negotiated this membership. I said several times that Turkey could have joined EDEN and be welcomed if they respected EDEN and followed our rules. So both sides are to blame but the bunch of EDEN so-called representatives is more. They were expected to endorse the CP council advises and not act as they please instead, trying to fool everybody.
And now we can see the result, Turkey has been vetoed and the "negotiators" were made to look like idiots. Both the image of EDEN & Turkey had to suffer because of them.
I can also blame the EDEN country presidents who voted in favor of Turkey starting that trial like a flock of sheep. Some of them were not even present at the summit and they had representatives to vote for them. For example BG president was not present. It was KoHaH voting instead.
EDEN wanted to defeat ONE.
This was the price they payed.
Now Bulgaria is vetoing their stay.
So Turkey is out, and without any thxguys-message.
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What Turkey was advise😛 "carefully guys, your membership may only last until ONE still holds extra bonuses."
ONE no longer holds extra bonuses. Now there is no turkeys is the garden of EDEN.
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Why the poor troll of me is not surprised?
anan da öyle diyordu bir sabuna gitti sonra
HAHAHA bad, bad trolling, Walla. There was no vote in the summit regarding eTurkey 😃
You just seem a little butthurt. And by a little I mean ALOT
nau, http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-1951564/1/20
awww Sir Butthurt is back with an article so sweet 😛
"Naufragiatu Day 1,525, 04:56 HAHAHA bad, bad trolling, Walla. There was no vote in the summit regarding eTurkey
You just seem a little butthurt. And by a little I mean ALOT"
Check the link ShadowMJ has posted above and then figure it out who is butthurt and who is trolling here.
Shadow: I saw that article and asked around and found out there was no voting on the issue last night (:
@Walla: check above. You know it too. And about the part EDEN.HQ not knowing anything about the eTurkey issue... Well, I just remember one night when Hoffa13 was telling everyone how the disscussion was going on and you were there too.
Also.. about calling eTurkey "cheaters" and so on. Tell me how many big e-countries haven't used cheats, at one time or another please.
Also, it's called cheating when our opponents are doing it, but it's politically correct when we are doing it? That's a pretty big cup of hypocrisy, my friend.
"Hoffa13Day 1,525, 05:14 awww Sir Butthurt is back with an article so sweet"
Hoffa, I didn`t use your name in the article because I still thought to protect the last remnants of respect I had for you but I guess people can now know that you are the one who did those shameful negotiations with Turkey, the one who lied the Turks that they can join after 1 month trial, even if the EDEN country presidents told you to ask for 3 MONTHS.
Instead you went and promised Turkey 1 month. When asked in the EDEN HQ why you did that when the presidents told you otherwise your answer was "because I wanted to"....
It`s good to have people like you representing us in the EDEN HQ!
And about your butthurt remarks, I understand thats all you can think of given your limited intelect.
crybaby hihihihi
Wallachian do you want to be PR for EDEN and run again when things gett tough? Come on let's have some fun man : D
The eBall:The habits are hard to forget! 18+
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-eball-the-habits-are-hard-to-forget-18--1952051/1/20
How do "things get tough" in a online game lol?
I left the moment Turkey was invited in that 1 month fake-ass trial membership by a hand of people totally not giving a damn about what the actual people of EDEN think. And your condescendent tone does nothing but to reiterate what I wrote above about the EDEN oligarchs. So please do go on (;
you are not a team player you just left and start articles with what we talked on hq,how old are you btw?still in highschool I guess.And one more question do you like telenovelas?Cuz you seem like you LOVE them hihihi.Lots of love
P.S. it's not the 1st time you leave when you dont like somthing,I think you just like to be somethig of a lame martir.Kiss 😘
EDEN's HQ members are slowly turning into a version of ONE's HQ members. The idea of brotherhood is fading away in the same slowly way, since adding another "brother" from a different "mother" is becoming that easy. Especially, when a month ago he was forcing all his damage and words to fight against you, on the battlefield and through articles and comments.
I'm glad to see EDEN's core, the PEOPLE of EDEN, are still sane and raising voice.
Hoffa I didnt join that HQ to be a "team player" - you prolly mean here one of the eden "good ole boys" - I joined to help EDEN. Unlike others I dont collect virtual games official positions to write them down in my profile to show how important I am over the internet! xD
Then I realised some EDEN HQ members care more about their individual opinions than about the greater good of the alliance as a collective unfortunately. You can see them commenting my articles and bitching about how I didn`t play for the team keeping the whole Turkish matter secret like a good boy. Or more, start a pro-Turkish propaganda like I was supposed to.
Butthurt, crybaby, lame martir... yeah you`re the mature one all right.
I ate rice
Decisions based on pride are wrong decisions. How can Canada and Ireland vote against Turkey joining EDEN, do they have to suffer the consequences of Turkey being left out of EDEN?
Where did the whole sacrifice for a brother spirit of EDEN go?
mister martir for EDEN I was online from 10 in the morning until 02 or more in the night,time in wich you where fapping or crying or what you teenagers doo 😁)
Turkey Is traitor
betrayer
quisling
ratter
recreant
renegade
Turkey Must Delete