Join the new world

cmon shout this article it took me 7 min now im tired ajde vise

Actually, by far, I think this is the most objective, plain and straightforward article on the issue. And it's damn correct down to the last word. That's absolutely what happened, at least imo.

botaj!

писна ми от статии на английски

shit spotted

@Yamahata - това е статия на американец в американската преса, на какъв език искаш да е...?! Като не ти харесва, не чети, вместо да тролиш само.

Simple truth...

o7

I think Bulgaria place is in Eden and they need to make their voice heard.

presidents change, the countries views will change with new administration...

сори за комента
прибързах и не видях че въпросният човек който е писал статията е американец.
извинявам се за което.
нали знаеш че си ми любимец бре Сандо.твоето култово Пльок го използвам навсякъде
хахахахаха

o7

its my respective view as well ..... Bulgaria has been a brother to all of EDEN for a very long time , and now just because eTurkey makes a little more damage than Bulgaria the alliance suddenly turned their backs to their brother and closed their eyes to the acts of this strange backstabber while sharing their support ?

REALLY WTF ?!! (i know i've said it many times .... and i won't stop saying cause really WTF ??!!)

its no longer a Brotherhood ....
Welcome to the Jungle , where every @$$hole for himself

Actually, by far, I think this is the most objective, plain and straightforward article on the issue. And it's damn correct down to the last word. That's absolutely what happened, at least imo.
+1

You've understood the situation quite well. Add to this the non-stop pressure and bullying on BG applied by the HQ and the unconditional support for Turkey, even to block us from resources which ironically is against the interests of the union.

EDEN a brotherhood? Maybe between the players who are friends, but on alliance level.... no comment.

Turkey/EDEN made bulgaria give its ukrianian regions back then ukriane joined argentina and turkey in a friendship pact... bulgaria saved ukriane countless times and this is how they're repaid?///

That is an extreme simplification of things. Your lack of knowledge on the subject is tremendous. But you are from other side of the world. So, please take into account that eUkraine and eBulgaria are equal members of EDEN and Turkey/EDEN could not/should not “make” eBulgaria give Ukrainian regions back. If you want to find out more about nature of misunderstandings between eBulgaria and eUkraine, as well as between eBulgaria and EDEN, please read the best article on the subject by eBulgarian Boyan http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-where-do-we-go--1977839/1/20.

true

Yet the biggest fail in the Bulgarian foreign affairs is ruining the relationship with Ukraine, which has been a long lasting friend of Bulgaria, and a country that gave up one of its unique resources so that Bulgaria can protect it and grow economically at the same time. It was clear that Bulgaria will have to return those regions to Ukraine one day. Six months later Bulgaria was already taking them for granted and once Ukraine asked them back, Bulgarians found that extremely insulting. Some MUs went that far to openly fight against army orders and Ukraine. It was clear that for a marginal group in Bulgarian resources were more important than brotherhood. I want to stress here that those individuals, I hope, represent the minority.

Another failed move was the proposal of Polish - Bulgarian MPP that shocked both Russia and Ukraine. What we got: Bulgarian citizens openly insulting Ukrainians daring to ask their regions back and Bulgarian CP that proposes MPP with the Ukrainian enemy during an open war!? Two days later Bulgarians are shocked that somehow Ukrainians find our foreign policy conflicting and unreliable? The current agreement between Ukraine, Argentina аnd Turkey is a direct consequence of Bulgaria’s actions and attitudes towards Ukraine and if somebody has to take responsibility for Ukraine clearly stating its hostility towards Bulgaria is only the Bulgarian government! Did we ever apologise to Ukraine for our irresponsible actions? Of course, not! Our foreign policy finds it quite shameful to admit the mistakes done.

@Daemoner
when i write articles i dont try to make it complex and impossible to understand, most people who study english as a second language wouldnt understand the articles written by boyan nor even attempt to read it which is why i simplified this article.

I have more knowledge of this issue i just choose not to express it.

😃

A very subjective article with lots of mistakes (either made on purpose or because of lack of information)

eTurkey never fought for eUSA, since there was no MPP by that time. eTurkey called Argentina brother long before those, and this relationship still continues. In fact this was one of the reasons eTurkey couldn't get eSpain's approval to join ONE.

And most of eTurkey's citizens never wanted to be part of TERRA (which was PANAM by then) It was the CP's decision and after his stupid plans (which was letting eUSA march through Balkans towards eSerbia) were revealed, there was a nation-wide protest against it. Consequently, eTurkey dropped her application to PANAM.

The issues leading to eTurkey leave ONE has started with eSpain's negative attitude, later gained pace with the poll on Kosovo's situation and hostile behaviours of eSerbians. Approval of eIran into the alliance was the final drop, that sped up the process.

By the way, you must be blind not to see how EDEN's dominance began after eTurkey switched sides.


I can write so many other things as well but I'm sure you'll not even try to understand, so that's it for now.

mvcakir i understand more than you think.

Spain had a good reason to veto turkey which is erepublik history. Most presidents of eTurkey have been banned for multis and during the times of Phoenix the multis focused on Spain which was in EDEN.

eTurkey and eSerbia were brothers alongside hungry and indonesian which was why you joined ONE but it doesnt change the fact you still switched sides and now you betrayed your so-called brothers during the kosovo poll and after. You cant blaim serbia for being hostile towards turkey since kosovo is a very sensitive issue.

EDEN was slightliy winning even with turkey in ONE

@nem01able
I have more knowledge of this issue i just choose not to express it.
___________________________
I understand your position. But please take into account that by doing so you are putting more oil into the fire of internal EDEN conflict. It is time for wise moves, for reconciliation, for healing wounds, not for new cycle of arrogance and mistreats.

@Daemoner,with advisers like you,puppet for president,braindamaged congress that even NE-ed Russia,and absolute fail like oles in the HQ,Ukraine will not have bright future(wink)

for a couple of days i see many ukrainians writing in much more humble manner,including you.guess when oles is kicked out of hq,many thing will change and some not so pleasant.

strange timing for asking back the regions,dont you think(wink)
when you needed those regions so bad why wouldnt even fight in the RW's and claiming us to be invaders WTF?!general opinion was YOU to take back those regions,not to make demands to our army to fight against its own ppl.then you made a some sort of pact or traety with turks and argentians and you expected some other public reactions in bulgaria?

i can say only fairwell with your new friends.soon you will learn the actual price you paid neglecting ally like us.i hope that bulgaria stays in eden and somehow we manage to improve the relations between bulgaria and ukraine,but i am not beeng very optimistic that the public in bulgaria will forget soon your slut behaviour.

i agree with what Nemo said at the end mvcakir

what u said is true what nemo said is true as well, but if u want to use the mind to judge who was right and who was wrong , both sides were wrong , and by both i mean eTurkey and eBulgaria, but who is more right than the other ? its Bulgaria by far

and to address another thing true that EDEN's Dominance started when eTurkey switched sides , but you forgot that turkey switched sides when EDEN started winning on ONE , coincidence ? HELL NO
i would bet my eLife that if ONE stayed on the top of EDEN eTurkey would have never made this switch , you must be blind to not be able to see that.

@dreamor

At least you're starting to let your guard down and are stopping with the pretenses and are starting with the direct lies.

Bulgaria kept Ukrainian regions for about 3 months in total. In that time for 1 month Ukraine kept 2 resources from Moldova, which were negotiated for by Bulgaria, Moldova was compensated for that by Bulgaria. Also Ukraine had for nearly 1 month 1 region in exchange with Russia, which gave it another unique resource without losing one, this was again thanks to Bulgaria and it's intermediary role. It was Ukraine that decided on it's own to stop that arrangement. The rest of the time Ukraine held for a better part of 10 days Hungarian regions, held Slovak region, which it returned out of it's own accord, and was compensated with gold when no other resources were forthcoming to compensate the one unique resource Ukraine had lost.

During those 3 months Bulgaria has dealt on average close to half of it's daily damage for Ukraine, which would make around 15 Billion damage for the 3 months in total. With the direct result that for the first time in 18 months Ukraine has been on the map for longer then 2 weeks. Not to mention that it was Ukraine on it's own that started the war with Turkey that led to it's deletion and the need for Bulgaria to save it.

The first big thank you, was when the finance/economy minister of Ukraine defrauded our finance minister with 75K BGN, by taking the money and not delivering the tanks promised. Yet Bulgarians showed understanding and even most of the losses were covered by donations of Bulgaria players.

Then came accusations that we've broken a treaty that called for military assistance when Ukraine lost a couple of battles for the first time in weeks. Not to mention the daily change of opinion concerning the regions. The cherry on the cake is it signed a "friendship pact" against the threat for stability in the black sea region with Turkey and Argentina after the Poland MPP was turned down.

@nem01able

Past eTurkish players that have created multies are not the only cause of eSpain's attitude towards eTurkey and you know that.

Coming to eSerbia, nothing can justify their hostile actions. eTurkey was not the only country in ONE, that has voted in favour of independent Kosovo (I know that the percentage was the highest, though) Even if Kosova was added as an independent country, most of Turkish people would still fight for eSerbia in a potential eSerbia-eKosovo battle, like they did in eSerbia-eBosnia battles.

By the way, you cannot call switching sides as "betrayal" If it was so, I could make a really huge list of countries that have betrayed, which includes your beloved Bulgaria. Countries in RL and eCountries have their interests to take care of.

@mvcakir i agree,turkey is the best switch-sider in the new world lol.they didnt betray their allies that is why all of its former allies,those ungrateful little men, are thrilled to delete it.

dont loose hope.i guess there are still alliances turkey has not been to- like EPIC,cos that what you are EPIC switch-sider

Why are we even discussing Ukraine?

Actually, by far, I think this is the most objective, plain and straightforward article on the issue. And it's damn correct down to the last word. That's absolutely what happened, at least imo.
+2

long comments

@mvcakir , you clearly don't know the meaning of betrayal
eTurkey changes sides every time her alliance starts loosing and the opposite alliance starts winning, thats called Betraying its allies, and thats called being a selfish backstabber
get a dictionary

Actually, by far, I think this is the most objective, plain and straightforward article on the issue. And it's damn correct down to the last word. That's absolutely what happened, at least imo.
+3

@Mr.Gatev and BlasterXL

LOL at your pathetic comments. I see you're not even trying to understand the other's opinions. I have no more to say to you

@mvcakir yea exactly what i expected, you don't even know the definition of that word

if u stand by ignorance and count it as a blessing than idk what you are even trying to argue about !

Nemo stated 3 things , u only responded about 1 and a half thing, why don't you try to be atrue debater and answer everything the man said

you are just like those little brats who can't really admit that they are wrong so they go searching around for gramatical mistakes thinking that if they point them out they actually won the argument, and if they don't find any gramatical mistakes they talk about 1 thing and they repeat it when it does not really make a difference, your hole reply was talking about that switching sides is not an act of betrayal, and u said it in many ways, but u didn't say why in the hell eTurkey switched sides other than being "selfish" you didn't actually put a reason all u talked was nonsense , now go get the dictionary

Turkey made NAP with Greece and they freed our occupied regions. No one saved Turkey from occupation.

@eDarkAngel Your message is confusing. Who is dreamor? Do you argue with the article by Boyan? Those words above are not mine. That was copy paste from Boyan article, those words just did not fit into one message.
Nevertheless, I have never tried to insult eBulgaria or eBulgarians with my words. What you have written about internal Ukrainian problems is correct. I agree that eUkraine was satisfied with the terms of the lease of Ukrainian regions by eBulgaria UNTIL there was a danger from eTurkey. Since the moment when eTurkey became friend of EDEN, eBulgaria and eUkraine had to find new basis for cooperation, including EQUAL conditions for the swap of regions. You know that eBulgaria and eUkraine were unable to find such EQUAL conditions.

@Mr.Gatev With all due respect, what you are trying to do now may be interpreted as insult and intimidation towards another country which is member of EDEN. By doing so you are putting more oil into the fire of internal EDEN conflict. It is time for wise moves, for reconciliation, for healing wounds, not for new cycle of arrogance and mistreats.

@BlasterXL

There was only one thing I didn't bother to answer, which was Nemo saying EDEN was slightly winning before eTurkey switched sides and eTurkey switched sides just to be on the winning side. eTurkey was going to leave eventually, after eSerbia joining the anti-Turk campaign in ONE, started by eSpain.

What I was trying to explain by saying eCountries have their own interests to care about was that: eTurkey had to leave ONE after eIran being accepted. In this case, it was logic to join EDEN. Same was for EDEN, it was logic to get eTurkey into the alliance. So the interests matched, and eTurkey became proEDEN. So, eTurkey's motivation in joining EDEN was not that it was winning. This was an outcome of this action.

pathetic clown

no vote , no sub

@mvcakir maybe , but don't you think that it was a really strange timing ?
you claim that it had nothing to do with EDEN taking the lead, but then why it didn't change sides when ONE was taking the lead ?

@BlasterXL,

One of the main reasons ONE is down at the moment is that it has lost the motivation it had at the beginning. This was created by especially eSerbia's selfish decisions. ONE was winning at all fronts when all ONE countries believed the HQ of the alliance was behaving in favour of all countries. So why would eTurkey decide to leave the alliance when there was no problem with the other countries in the alliance? (except eSpain of course)

And believe me, if eSerbia's actions had started at that time and they had accepted eIran as a ONE member while they were having discussions with eTurkey, eTurkey would leave the alliance despite ONE's superiority.

eTurkey kept complaining about Iran for quite some time, yet they chose to leave when ONE was down

and instead of fighting to revive that brotherhood why did they just give up on it and leave it ?

this is not the first time Turkey does that, my point of view is that Turkey just gives up on a something called brotherhood .... its every man for himself in its eyes, and that kind of aditude i don't want to exist in EDEN, and that kind of aditude is written all over eTurkey
it switched sides be4 just for the sake of winning , if it sees something it doesn't like it just forgets every good act which has been done towards her and backstab those who helped her just in order for her to advance, Turkey just doesn't have any loyalty, it knows that it is a powerful country and that every alliance would be glad to have her on its side (regardless of few individuals), and it knows that by doing what she is doing right now eBulgaria has a big chance of being kicked out of EDEN
and yet it doesn't care

it is a fact that eTurkey didn't go to Bulgaria and said to them that they want to switch sides, it is a fact that they sneaked their way in, and it seemed like a big conspirosy against Bulgaria
and due to that act Bulgaria felt backstabbed by its own allies

you cannot deny that

1st; As I have repeated several times, eTurkey left ONE when eIran was accepted as a full member. Because it showed ONE HQ would not try to find a solution to the problem.

2n😛 How can you try to revive a brotherhood when organized groups wearing a custom avatar from your alliance are fighting against you?

3r😛 I don't think you can expect eTurkey not to join an alliance just because there are her former enemies in that one. Why is it none of eBulgaria's fault when every other eCountry that has fought against eTurkey accepts her into the alliance?

4th: Of course I don't have access to all logs of the dicussions, but I don't think that it was eTurkey's responsibility to go and talk to all countries of EDEN alliance. You discuss these with the HQ and HQ discusses it with members.

So, yes, I can deny that (:

Turkish butthurt detected 😁

@Norbengo, I'm already fed up with your troll comments in my articles. So please leave me alone at least in the articles I comment on (:

lol what your articles?

You mean that one about how beautiful Istanbul is, now when you ethnically cleansed it from the Greeks?

Sorry honey, it was so insensitive from me, next time I'll use vaseline :😁

true Turks should not have to go and talk to all of EDEN countries but you know turks used to troll eBulgaria just like the article said , they used to remind them how they were insulted in RL ... and now when they wanted to go to EDEN they acted behind their back , they got the support of almost all the big nations of EDEN then they announced it , they should have tried to make peace with their biggest enemy in EDEN be4 they asked to join it, going all sneaky under the radar didn't help them to win eBulgaria's love now did it ?

and they could have at least tried to revive that brotherhood ..... their attitude is what made ONE turn out against them in the first place

now answer me this question ... do u think that it was fair when ONE accepted Iran thou Turkey clearly didn't want it to join the alliance ?

и от кога този срб стана хамериканец?

Even if Kosova was added as an independent country, most of Turkish people would still fight for eSerbia in a potential eSerbia-eKosovo battle, like they did in eSerbia-eBosnia battles.

@mvcakir
I can ask you just a few questions. How would you feel, if there was voting in erep about independent state of Kurdistan (and that the RL situation is like that), and 98% of Serbs were voting for that country? Would you stayed in that alliance?
Second, you are talking about Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo? Let me remind you, we fought on YOUR side in Turkish conflict with OUR ORTHODOX BROTHERS - Greeks and Russians and we never mention that.
Sry about my bad English...

@BlasterXL,

First of all, I was never one of these trolls and I can never justify (in fact wouldn't try to justify) what they have done. But you should also accept that such people are within each community. (You may recall the humiliating Greek article, about selling eTurkey's regions) So, this cannot be a cause of denial of an eCountry. It is, if a majority of citizens and governmental representatives act like that.

The answer is very easy. It was not. That's why eTurkey left the alliance.
But that does not mean that eBulgaria must leave EDEN. I believe we can find a solution when both sides find a way to protect them from these trolls and be reasonable.